Next Gen XBOX to use AMD 28nm CPU/GPU Fusion chip - Rumor

[Grooveriding]

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'Now the latest rumors coming out of Microsoft next-generation console will be equipped with chips from AMD, 28nm HKMG technology used by GlobalFoundries OEM, to a fixed frame rate at 60FPS 1080p Full HD images obtained and the 3D stereoscopic effect. As for what this chip is no one specifically made it clear that taking into account Microsoft, AMD similar to the integration of philosophy, perhaps it will be a custom Fusion APU.'

 

[faxon]

Not surprising if true, there have been Rumors of this for months. Also totally digging that concept design if it's legit lol

 

[Dribble]

It's not new. It's a cpu + gpu integrated on one chip, just like the current xbox now has.

It wasn't done on earlier 360's because that would have made the xbox's chip too large to be economical. Hence this suggests the next gen xbox will be comparatively lower power (both graphical and watts) then the early 360's were back in the day.

 

[Bateluer]

The next gen consoles will be more heavily monetized, guys. They'll be built into your televisions, of course, only available from MS/Sony. The new consoles won't feature any user accessible internal storage. Everything will be stored via a cloud service. Save games, maps packs, even full games, everything will be downloaded. Odds are, there won't be an optical drive.

Also, some changes to coming games. They will be released entirely as episodic with heavy emphasis on DLC. The first chapter of the game, featuring 2-4 hours of gameplay, will cost about 70 dollars, which each additional chapter costing ~40 USD. Additional maps, power ups, character skins, weapons, etc, will feature a range of prices from sub-$1 to around 20 dollars.

Remember, you hear it here first.

 

[exar333]

The next gen consoles will be more heavily monetized, guys. They'll be built into your televisions, of course, only available from MS/Sony. The new consoles won't feature any user accessible internal storage. Everything will be stored via a cloud service. Save games, maps packs, even full games, everything will be downloaded. Odds are, there won't be an optical drive.

Also, some changes to coming games. They will be released entirely as episodic with heavy emphasis on DLC. The first chapter of the game, featuring 2-4 hours of gameplay, will cost about 70 dollars, which each additional chapter costing ~40 USD. Additional maps, power ups, character skins, weapons, etc, will feature a range of prices from sub-$1 to around 20 dollars.

Remember, you hear it here first.

I can buy your first paragraph as plausible, but the second is just pure BS. People will not regularly pay $100+ for games.

 

[tyl998]

Except for Starcraft 2, apparently. After factoring in two expansions we're looking at ~= $140?

 

[marlindo]

I can buy your first paragraph as plausible, but the second is just pure BS. People will not regularly pay $100+ for games.

he was joking, darkly.


But getting rid of optical drives could be considered after the next console generation. I wouldn't be surprised :\

 

[Aristotelian]

I can't seem to find the relevant thread, but if I recall correctly there was a thread discussing revenues derived from console/handheld chip sales, with a conclusion that these sales do not generate much money for the company in question.

If this is true, and the rumor in this thread is true, what could this mean for AMD in the future? Given that on this forum I often read that Nvidia (I'm not turning this into an Nvidia versus AMD thing, necessarily) is much better at developer relations than AMD is, I figured that they might be the obvious first choice for developing a console graphics chip (i.e., their chips would run games better).

If the rumor in this thread is true, I'm curious to see what the future will bring with respect to AMD's overall image.

 

[busydude]

I can buy your first paragraph as plausible, but the second is just pure BS. People will not regularly pay $100+ for games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-11-16-codies-versus-pre-owned-game-sales

F1 2010 creator Codemasters has a novel idea it could use to combat the threat of second hand videogame sales – sell half a game in shops and the other half as downloadable content.
That, according to CEO Rod Cousens, would not only help tackle the earnings lost from used game sales but piracy, too.
"It's not inconceivable to say that we send out a Formula One game that's not complete - maybe it's got six tracks," he told Eurogamer sister site GamesIndustry.biz.
"Then they have to buy their next track, and you follow it around the world. When you turn up in Abu Dhabi you have to pay for the circuit, and whatever the changes are to the cars that are put through.
"That, I think, would deal with a lot of it, and also address the pre-owned."
If Codies follows through on its idea, it expects resistance from shops.
"What we have to figure out is how we're going to work together to make this happen," Cousens said.
"If retail takes a confrontational point of view and says that if we go online, they won't stock the box - and publishers then say that all they're going to do is put out DLC after launch that retail can't participate in... it's ridiculous.
"Actually, you need them to get to the stage where they stock the box. It's not inconceivable that you're going to ask them to give the box away at some point in time. But then, they participate to an extent in the subsequent DLC exploitation."
Ah, exploitation. How we've missed you.

 

[Troll Trolling]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the idea of everything being on the "cloud"?

 

[tyl998]

I would be pissed off if I can't play my games and save my games without being online. Not everyone can connect their system to the internet. I put up with a lot of stuff from STEAM because I'm sitting at a PC, where internet connection is pretty much assumed, but even STEAM allows downloading content onto ym computer and managing save files on my computer. I would not mind having an option to "backup" my saves, settings, profiles online though.

 

[Genx87]

I can't seem to find the relevant thread, but if I recall correctly there was a thread discussing revenues derived from console/handheld chip sales, with a conclusion that these sales do not generate much money for the company in question.

If this is true, and the rumor in this thread is true, what could this mean for AMD in the future? Given that on this forum I often read that Nvidia (I'm not turning this into an Nvidia versus AMD thing, necessarily) is much better at developer relations than AMD is, I figured that they might be the obvious first choice for developing a console graphics chip (i.e., their chips would run games better).

If the rumor in this thread is true, I'm curious to see what the future will bring with respect to AMD's overall image.

AMD already provides the GPU for the Wii and xBox 360. Nvidia burned a bridge with MS over the original xBox when they demanded Microsoft honor their contractual obligation to pay on a scale based on unit sales. MS's predictions fell far short and wanted to accelerate the scale, Nvidia refused.

Nvidia's best option would be handhelds, the next Gen Wii, and the PS4. I dont see them getting into the xBox unless AMD really screws up.

 

[Genx87]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the idea of everything being on the "cloud"?

You arent the only one. IMO "cloud" is some marketing depts idea as a way to sell products.

 

[Concillian]

Also totally digging that concept design if it's legit lol

You have to be kidding, that thing looks like something only a 12 year old could love.

 

[Schadenfroh]

I would love for Microsoft to return to x86 for their console division. Should make porting back and forth between Windows and the Xbox easier.

 

[nyker96]

I would love for Microsoft to return to x86 for their console division. Should make porting back and forth between Windows and the Xbox easier.

I think it's more like DX11 is important, the x86 part isn't as big a deal to port. Although I think MS will do both effectively making cost of porting to PC nil. This would be an excellent move, it's like a DX11 pc in a box. I just wish they can open up the peripheral upgrade options, so people can just add any HD or Blueray drives as they wish. But somehow I doubt MS will allow it.

 

[soccerballtux]

I would love for Microsoft to return to x86 for their console division. Should make porting back and forth between Windows and the Xbox easier.

wow, you know I didn't think about that. Wonder what they'll do as far as backwards compatibility goes for xbox 360 games?

I wonder if they'll be able to support all Xbox games now?

 

[RavenSEAL]

Sorry, i don't count shitty asian websites with unreadable fonts as viable sources.

 

[Arkadrel]

From Semiaccurate postings:

MS had issues with nvidia with the first xbox.
Sony got burnt by nvidia, and probably wont go that way either.

which besically leaves us with alot of IBM cell and AMD powered consols.


Some people said there isnt much money to be made selling chips for consols... but... it ll probably effect the pc end as well I suspect since alot of pc games are ported from the consols.

I would love for Microsoft to return to x86 for their console division. Should make porting back and forth between Windows and the Xbox easier.

Fusion chips

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Anyone else tired of there always being 3 consoles available? Sure wish one of them would just drop out. Talking about you, Nintendo. With Move and Kinect out you're no longer relevant, please ditch the hardware and just focus on making quality games.

 

[Skurge]

Anyone else tired of there always being 3 consoles available? Sure wish one of them would just drop out. Talking about you, Nintendo. With Move and Kinect out you're no longer relevant, please ditch the hardware and just focus on making quality games.

I hate the Wii too.

 

[happy medium]

I just hope for a keyboard, mouse controll scheme and I'm in for a console.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Anyone else tired of there always being 3 consoles available? Sure wish one of them would just drop out. Talking about you, Nintendo. With Move and Kinect out you're no longer relevant, please ditch the hardware and just focus on making quality games.

:awe:

What an ignorant post.

 

[OCGuy]

Hopefully it goes better than the last time.

 

[Attic]

Anyone else tired of there always being 3 consoles available? Sure wish one of them would just drop out. Talking about you, Nintendo. With Move and Kinect out you're no longer relevant, please ditch the hardware and just focus on making quality games.

This would be nice, espeically the quality games part, except you're forgetting that Nintendo has consistenly pushed innovation in gaming.

The gamers here should be able to name off quite a few of the innovations that nintendo gave to gamers and which competitors copied.

Rumble feature with the rumble pack for N64 games
Analog Control popularized by the N64 controller
motion control with the Wii
4 controller docks standard with the N64
...
really you just need to look out how Nintendo's controllers have evolved
Gameboy

The companies that win in the long run are the ones that -N-ovate, Nintendo has that covered.

Though I would like better graphics, the new Goldeneye is great but the graphics are godawful after coming from a long stretch of PC gaming.