does anyone have any information on the next generation of video cards nvidia is coming out with?
next gen nvidia
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Um.. its not called Geforce 5.
Its "NV" name is "NV30".
I would state the obvious. Its obviously going to be fast and powerful. And it'll be released this year.
Thats pretty much everything thats known about this card. Unless you like to follow rumors... then I'll leave it to everyone else.
Its "NV" name is "NV30".
I would state the obvious. Its obviously going to be fast and powerful. And it'll be released this year.
Thats pretty much everything thats known about this card. Unless you like to follow rumors... then I'll leave it to everyone else.
I doubt they're gonna hold it off until next year and let ATi rule the highend by themselves with the R300.
having a little trouble with the arm, but the leg came off nicely. should i send it in packing peanuts or a cooler?
I have some info... EVERYTHING'S SPECULATION! The only things we know for sure is that it will be made with a .13 micron die size, it will be AGP 8x compatible, and will most likely NOT have a fully programmable pipeline, which means that it will not be completely DX9 compliant. There are also many rumors that it will have two separate chips (I said rumors) and an on-die cache in its "GPU" (I hate that acronym). Any clock speeds are purely speculation at this point becaus NOBODY at NVIDIA is talking. That's pretty much it. Believe me, I've looked. It should be out by the end of the year, but I don't know how ready the .13 micron process will be by then. If I were you (and I kind of am since I'm awaiting this card), I'd take what I've said and just wait until some benchmarks come out. It won't be out for many moons yet, so don't get too antsy. There, that's it.
Oh, a couple of things to mention:
1) NVIDIA names all of its cards NVxx until they get close to launch. They're releasing the (might be wrong here) NV28 and NV18 this year, which are the GF4 Ti and MX lines, respectively, at .13 micron process, and they'll still be called GF4s. I don't think that NVIDIA is done with the GF brand just yet. I don't know if they'll eventually name it the GF 5, but neither does anyone else.
2) Ummm, just a reminder. Won't be able to enjoy it until sometime next year? First of all, there are SiS chipsets out right now that have AGP 8x support, so if you're talking about MB support for AG 8x, you're wrong. Second, the increase in performance from 4x to 8x will most likely be 3 - 4%. Are you telling me that if I got the new card in December it wouldn't run very fast until more AGP 8x boards come out? Don't be too concerned with AGP 8x - it's more hype than reality.
1) NVIDIA names all of its cards NVxx until they get close to launch. They're releasing the (might be wrong here) NV28 and NV18 this year, which are the GF4 Ti and MX lines, respectively, at .13 micron process, and they'll still be called GF4s. I don't think that NVIDIA is done with the GF brand just yet. I don't know if they'll eventually name it the GF 5, but neither does anyone else.
2) Ummm, just a reminder. Won't be able to enjoy it until sometime next year? First of all, there are SiS chipsets out right now that have AGP 8x support, so if you're talking about MB support for AG 8x, you're wrong. Second, the increase in performance from 4x to 8x will most likely be 3 - 4%. Are you telling me that if I got the new card in December it wouldn't run very fast until more AGP 8x boards come out? Don't be too concerned with AGP 8x - it's more hype than reality.
I just got off the phone with Jen-Hsun, and he was nice enough to allow me ask him a few questions about nVidia's next generation technology.
Please introduce yourself and let us know what you do at nVidia.
My name is Jen-Hsun Huang and I am the CEO of nVidia.
How did nVidia form as a company?
The company was actually formed by a group of individuals who had a great deal of experience in visual simulation and 3D graphics design. They basically wrote some very impressive a very fast software engines before the mass availability of good 3D accelerators.
What experience do your engineers have in the 3D market?
Most have backgrounds relating to 3D hardware and/or software algorithms
Tell us a little about the NV30 and what makes it so special.
We have designed a completely new approach to 3D acceleration, Xtreme Bandwidth Architecture. XBA technology was invented during the design of our current 3D-graphics architecture. XBA consists of the eight-texel/four-pixel rendering pipeline, extremely wide 512-bit memory bus and our memory management logic. The memory management logic works as a highway system tying together the embedded DRAM memory, the external SDRAM memory, AGP memory and all units, which want access to the memory. A lot of the XBA inventions are behind this memory system, which handles 768 bits of data (eDRAM+AGP+SDRAM) every clock cycle, resulting in the massive bandwidth of 12.5 GB/s.
This huge bandwidth enables us to do everything in true color; we are not really interested in any 16-bit performance and dithered images. The bandwidth also allows us to do full-scene Anti-Aliasing with real supersampling. Although rendering game graphics at 1024x768 true-color resolutions requires around 2.5 GB/s of memory bandwidth, doing this with anti-alias enabled requires 10 GB/s of memory bandwidth! To say this in another way, products equipped with only external SDR or DDR memory are not able to do full-scene anti-aliasing at realistic speeds. The XBA architecture based products are really the first chips capable of improving the image quality with Anti-Aliasing
When can we finally expect NV30 products to ship? We've seen the "2nd half of 2002" statement on your website, but can you be any more specific?
We will be demonstrating the first XBA enabled product in 3Q and reach full volume production in the 4Q.
The NV30 originally sounded great on paper when it was announced long ago, but by the time it's actually available, 3dfx should be releasing their Gigapixel based Sage and Fear products, while ST Micro will be looking to Kyro III to keep them going. How do you see the NV30 stacking up in such a competitive market?
We feel that the part will be very competitive and with extraordinary performance due to the only 8-texel engine and the memory bandwidth to actually achieve huge filtrates. In terms of texel fill rate, 3dfx will need the V6 7000 four-chip solution to even stay close and Kyro will still only be half of the NV30 product. The NV35 being double again that performance level at over two gigatexels will clearly be the market leader in fill rate. We do believe that our architecture is superior.
Do you actually have any NV30 silicon at this point in time? Or are you still working off simulators?
The simulators are running very well, but as of yet we do not have working silicon in house.
Who will be producing boards based on the NV30?
We are in discussions with several board manufacturers to market our products. Actually we will be using a fairly clean model of distribution by focusing initially on a limited number of partners and really enabling them to succeed in the market.
What do you expect the typical memory configuration to be?
We believe that you will see three levels of XBA enabled board level products for the various markets: 41MB (9MB edram, 32 MB sdram) 50 MB (18MB edram, 32 MB sdram) Dual processor 82 MB (18MB edram, 64 MB sdram) Dual processor
In what price range do you expect these products?
I do not want to speculate on our partners pricing models, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that our pricing will be more than in line with expectations form the both the basic gamer and enthusiasts alike.
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Thanks to Jen-Hsun for the amazingly candid interview.
Please introduce yourself and let us know what you do at nVidia.
My name is Jen-Hsun Huang and I am the CEO of nVidia.
How did nVidia form as a company?
The company was actually formed by a group of individuals who had a great deal of experience in visual simulation and 3D graphics design. They basically wrote some very impressive a very fast software engines before the mass availability of good 3D accelerators.
What experience do your engineers have in the 3D market?
Most have backgrounds relating to 3D hardware and/or software algorithms
Tell us a little about the NV30 and what makes it so special.
We have designed a completely new approach to 3D acceleration, Xtreme Bandwidth Architecture. XBA technology was invented during the design of our current 3D-graphics architecture. XBA consists of the eight-texel/four-pixel rendering pipeline, extremely wide 512-bit memory bus and our memory management logic. The memory management logic works as a highway system tying together the embedded DRAM memory, the external SDRAM memory, AGP memory and all units, which want access to the memory. A lot of the XBA inventions are behind this memory system, which handles 768 bits of data (eDRAM+AGP+SDRAM) every clock cycle, resulting in the massive bandwidth of 12.5 GB/s.
This huge bandwidth enables us to do everything in true color; we are not really interested in any 16-bit performance and dithered images. The bandwidth also allows us to do full-scene Anti-Aliasing with real supersampling. Although rendering game graphics at 1024x768 true-color resolutions requires around 2.5 GB/s of memory bandwidth, doing this with anti-alias enabled requires 10 GB/s of memory bandwidth! To say this in another way, products equipped with only external SDR or DDR memory are not able to do full-scene anti-aliasing at realistic speeds. The XBA architecture based products are really the first chips capable of improving the image quality with Anti-Aliasing
When can we finally expect NV30 products to ship? We've seen the "2nd half of 2002" statement on your website, but can you be any more specific?
We will be demonstrating the first XBA enabled product in 3Q and reach full volume production in the 4Q.
The NV30 originally sounded great on paper when it was announced long ago, but by the time it's actually available, 3dfx should be releasing their Gigapixel based Sage and Fear products, while ST Micro will be looking to Kyro III to keep them going. How do you see the NV30 stacking up in such a competitive market?
We feel that the part will be very competitive and with extraordinary performance due to the only 8-texel engine and the memory bandwidth to actually achieve huge filtrates. In terms of texel fill rate, 3dfx will need the V6 7000 four-chip solution to even stay close and Kyro will still only be half of the NV30 product. The NV35 being double again that performance level at over two gigatexels will clearly be the market leader in fill rate. We do believe that our architecture is superior.
Do you actually have any NV30 silicon at this point in time? Or are you still working off simulators?
The simulators are running very well, but as of yet we do not have working silicon in house.
Who will be producing boards based on the NV30?
We are in discussions with several board manufacturers to market our products. Actually we will be using a fairly clean model of distribution by focusing initially on a limited number of partners and really enabling them to succeed in the market.
What do you expect the typical memory configuration to be?
We believe that you will see three levels of XBA enabled board level products for the various markets: 41MB (9MB edram, 32 MB sdram) 50 MB (18MB edram, 32 MB sdram) Dual processor 82 MB (18MB edram, 64 MB sdram) Dual processor
In what price range do you expect these products?
I do not want to speculate on our partners pricing models, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that our pricing will be more than in line with expectations form the both the basic gamer and enthusiasts alike.
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Thanks to Jen-Hsun for the amazingly candid interview.
Dude how old is that interview with Jen-Hsun? 3dfx... that is sad that they up and died there. Oh well.
Haha, good ol BitBoys... They must have alot of money in the R&D Section... Considering they never release a product, and keep developing one... I wonder if they will ever release anything... ever.
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