Newt Gingrich or Barack Obama?

[QuantumPion]

He knows all this, he just does not care about what really happened. NO WAR FOR OIL unless you are Obama and the war is in Libya.

I know there is no use in arguing with the brain-washed robots but I simply must challenge them every time I hear them because I refuse to let them re-write history when the truth is so blatantly obvious.

 

[cybrsage]

I know there is no use in arguing with the brain-washed robots but I simply must challenge them every time I hear them because I refuse to let them re-write history when the truth is so blatantly obvious.

I know, I do it too.

 

[airdata]

You are aware of course of the cease fire agreement between the United States and Iraq in 1991, yes? Iraq War 2 was in response to Saddam repeatedly and consistently violating the terms of the cease fire agreement from the first war.

Of course you also know that it was the United Nations which authorized the use of force against Saddam, what, 19 times over 10 years? Hence why Clinton launched several attacks against him in the mid-90's, right?

I'm sorry, what?

If what you're saying is true, why did they go through all the trouble of fabricating the whole phantom WMD story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

 

[QuantumPion]

I'm sorry, what?

If what you're saying is true, why did they go through all the trouble of fabricating the whole phantom WMD story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE

I dunno, ask Al Gore & Bill Clinton in 1998: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs&feature=related

 

[cybrsage]

I'm sorry, what?

If what you're saying is true, why did they go through all the trouble of fabricating the whole phantom WMD story?

I know you like repeating that myth over and over again, but it is well known that being wrong is not the saying as creating a fabrication (big word for lie).

However, if you say there were not WMDs, then you are also calling Hans Blix a liar. His last report to the UN prior to the US invasion documented finding WMDs.

 

[airdata]

Cybrsage : if there were WMD found, why was it never reported?

It's known fact that they used fabricated intelligence to scare people into beating the war drums. Then later on they started pretending they went there to liberate the iraqis.

pre-emptive strike. To pre-empt events that weren't going to happen... LOL.

Some people may even speculate they just want to have a foothold in the region should shit really hit the fan. Would be hard for some countries to wage war if we effectively occupied the major oil producing nations of the world.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

However, if you say there were not WMDs, then you are also calling Hans Blix a liar. His last report to the UN prior to the US invasion documented finding WMDs.

Link to proof?

 

[RampantAndroid]

I know you like repeating that myth over and over again, but it is well known that being wrong is not the saying as creating a fabrication (big word for lie).

However, if you say there were not WMDs, then you are also calling Hans Blix a liar. His last report to the UN prior to the US invasion documented finding WMDs.

There Reports of saddam ordering the use of biological weapons on coalition forces. Even he thought he had them...

 

[IAteYourMother]

Obama in a heartbeat. Although I'm not sure if it would matter regardless... the real problem is congress and those that we elect to office (in addition to president).

 

[cybrsage]

Link to proof?

I will both provide the salient quotes from the report and a link to the report.

9. Inspections uncovered a small number of undeclared empty chemical warheads which appear to have been produced prior to 1990. Those and a few other proscribed items were destroyed.​

86. UNMOVIC conducted a series of inspections in early February 2003 to explore previous development of cluster munitions for chemical or biological agents. The Al Noaman factory and facilities were the focus of those inspections due to their history of producing cluster munitions. During the inspections, information was obtained and hardware pertaining to cluster bombs and cluster warheads for rockets was found. Specifically, UNMOVIC inspectors found the body of a chemical or biological submunition for the CB 250 cluster bomb and a 540 mm warhead
which could be used with chemical agent-filled submunitions. In addition, components and moulds for other cluster bombs and rocket warheads were examined.​

88. The discovery by UNMOVIC of twelve 122 mm chemical warheads and rocket motors in mid-January 2003 at the Ukhaidar ammunitions depot led to an Iraqi declaration regarding four additional warheads at Al Taji a few days later. X-ray examination of those warheads at both locations showed that some contained an unknown liquid. Operations were undertaken to drill safely into the warheads and extract samples of the liquid contents for subsequent analysis. The contents were determined to be primarily water.​

89. Other items were found that might be part of past programmes prohibited by the Council and would require further analysis, including various parts for 81 mm, 107 mm and 200 mm rocket warheads and other munitions. In addition, a small number of rocket warheads and artillery projectiles that appeared to be chemical weapons munitions were found filled with high explosives. Plans to analyse those components in greater detail were interrupted by the withdrawal of UNMOVIC from Iraq.​

111. Missile imports, however, were more substantial and could have contributed significantly to any missile development programme. One example was the importation of 380 Volga engines that Iraq planned to use in the production of the Al Samoud 2 missile, a missile system UNMOVIC later determined to be prohibited since its range exceeded 150 km. In its declaration of 7 December 2002, Iraq declared that it had imported 131 such engines but failed to supply any information about their origin (suppliers, exporting countries) until inspectors observed 231 such​

engines at an Al Samoud production facility.

122. An UNMOVIC inspection team found 12 undeclared 122 mm chemical warheads and motors at the Al Ukhaidar ammunition depot (11 of them were unfilled and 1 filled with water). Iraq notified the Commission on 20 January 2003 that four more warheads had been found at the Al Taji ammunition depot. In February 2003, an UNMOVIC team discovered an additional two undeclared 122 mm chemical warheads at the same depot (one of the six warheads discovered at the Al Taji depot was filled with liquid that was subsequently identified as water). In​

total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/quarterly_reports/s-2003-580.pdf

Remember, this is after an entire DECADE of inspections...STILL finding WMDs.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I will both provide the salient quotes from the report and a link to the report.


http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/quarterly_reports/s-2003-580.pdf

Remember, this is after an entire DECADE of inspections...STILL finding WMDs.

OMFG! Are you Rick Santorum? Are you serious? Not that you have any credibility to begin with, but finding a few odd old, non-working weapons and claiming WMD? LOL. really you are pathetically desperate. That is pathetic, truly mind-boggling pathetic, even for a troll.

Guys, look, cybrtroll thinks Iraq had WMD! LOL

Oh, and by the way, you lied AGAIN. Your link has nothing to do with HAns Blix. Link to Hans BLix saying Iraq had WMD.

Oh, and the CIA, DOD, and rest of the government all disagree with you, and they all admit Iraq had no WMD, but you know that already, I am sure. What a f-ing idiot you are to try that to defend your lies.

Are you a birther too?

 

[Ausm]

OMFG! Are you Rick Santorum? Are you serious? Not that you have any credibility to begin with, but finding a few odd old, non-working weapons and claiming WMD? LOL. really you are pathetically desperate. That is pathetic, truly mind-boggling pathetic, even for a troll.

Guys, look, cybrtroll thinks Iraq had WMD! LOL

Oh, and by the way, you lied AGAIN. Your link has nothing to do with HAns Blix. Link to Hans BLix saying Iraq had WMD.

Oh, and the CIA, DOD, and rest of the government all disagree with you, and they all admit Iraq had no WMD, but you know that already, I am sure. What a f-ing idiot you are to try that to defend your lies.

Are you a birther too?

You hit the nail on the head that dude is a MAJOR troll....

 

[CallMeJoe]

OMFG! Are you Rick Santorum? Are you serious? Not that you have any credibility to begin with, but finding a few odd old, non-working weapons and claiming WMD? LOL. really you are pathetically desperate. That is pathetic, truly mind-boggling pathetic, even for a troll.
Guys, look, cybrtroll thinks Iraq had WMD! LOL
Oh, and by the way, you lied AGAIN. Your link has nothing to do with HAns Blix. Link to Hans BLix saying Iraq had WMD.
Oh, and the CIA, DOD, and rest of the government all disagree with you, and they all admit Iraq had no WMD, but you know that already, I am sure. What a f-ing idiot you are to try that to defend your lies.
Are you a birther too?

In all fairness, some of the shells and warheads were filled with a dangerous liquid that kills people every day... water.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Can someone give me an overview of what Newt's like now? I caught some of him back in the Contract with America days and he seemed like a solidly logical person with a politically savvy wrapper. Haven't really paid any attention to him since.
With the Right now only responsive to emotional manipulation, I figure someone like him would've had to shift into a total bullshit artist to remain politically viable. Is that about right?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I know, I do it too.

This quote is comedy gold given cybrtroll just lied out of his/her ass making up a WMD excuse.

 

[0roo0roo]

Can someone give me an overview of what Newt's like now? I caught some of him back in the Contract with America days and he seemed like a solidly logical person with a politically savvy wrapper. Haven't really paid any attention to him since.
With the Right now only responsive to emotional manipulation, I figure someone like him would've had to shift into a total bullshit artist to remain politically viable. Is that about right?

hard to tell if ur srs.

the mans become a whore, thats all we need to know.

 

[cybrsage]

OMFG!

Thanks for thinking so, but I have to tell you I am not your god. It makes my heart warm that you think so, though.

Hans Blix, was the head of UNMOVIC. He is the guy who signed off on the report which stated "total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction."

Hans Blix called them WMDs, and he is the guy in charge of the UN team assigned to find and destroy them. If HE says they are, then they are. WMDs do not have to be CBR weapons.

Sorry to dissapoint you with facts.

 

[cybrsage]

This quote is comedy gold given cybrtroll just lied out of his/her ass making up a WMD excuse.

OH HAI! I found your kat. Hands LoserKat back to Garfield.

 

[cybrsage]

You hit the nail on the head that dude is a MAJOR troll....

And the resident forum chester appears again! gingle gingle!!

His posts make more sense when you picture him dancing about in motley, wearing slightly bent bells that go gingle gingle when he moves (as opposed to jingle jingle for proper bells).

He makes me laugh, he is such a good jester!

 

[Matt1970]

OMFG! Are you Rick Santorum? Are you serious? Not that you have any credibility to begin with, but finding a few odd old, non-working weapons and claiming WMD? LOL. really you are pathetically desperate. That is pathetic, truly mind-boggling pathetic, even for a troll.

Guys, look, cybrtroll thinks Iraq had WMD! LOL

Oh, and by the way, you lied AGAIN. Your link has nothing to do with HAns Blix. Link to Hans BLix saying Iraq had WMD.

Oh, and the CIA, DOD, and rest of the government all disagree with you, and they all admit Iraq had no WMD, but you know that already, I am sure. What a f-ing idiot you are to try that to defend your lies.

Are you a birther too?

Ask the Kurds and Iran if Iraq had WMD?

Clinton thought he had tham and ordered strikes against Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9j22G9HLE

John Kerry thought Iraq had them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwCrpMHkYc


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

 

[matt0611]

Can someone give me an overview of what Newt's like now? I caught some of him back in the Contract with America days and he seemed like a solidly logical person with a politically savvy wrapper. Haven't really paid any attention to him since.
With the Right now only responsive to emotional manipulation, I figure someone like him would've had to shift into a total bullshit artist to remain politically viable. Is that about right?

He's a liberal authoritarian, you'd fucking love him.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Thanks for thinking so, but I have to tell you I am not your god. It makes my heart warm that you think so, though.

Hans Blix, was the head of UNMOVIC. He is the guy who signed off on the report which stated "total, 18 chemical warheads were tagged by UMOVIC for destruction."

Hans Blix called them WMDs, and he is the guy in charge of the UN team assigned to find and destroy them. If HE says they are, then they are. WMDs do not have to be CBR weapons.

Sorry to dissapoint you with facts.

Facts? You obviously don't know what a fact is. Let me clue you in. The DoD, CIA, Your idol GW Bush, and everyone else in the government all admitted there were no WMD and that they were wrong. Apparently, only you and Rick Santorum believe otherwise, so as a troll, you are certainly keeping good company with another bat-shit insane person. GG.

Please inform us why all those people and institutions all would go on record that they were wrong if this was true? You got any proof?

Linking 20 year old forgotten useless munitions isn't proof of a WMD program. You are a such a f-ng troll, you just make shit up all day. 10sec on google will tell you how 100% wrong you are.

But good to see that you made it crystal clear that you are a lying troll by posting, so all can see how pathetic you are. Are you sure you aren't nota777pilot, or nonprofjohn? They lied all the time, just like you.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Ask the Kurds and Iran if Iraq had WMD?

Clinton thought he had tham and ordered strikes against Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps9j22G9HLE

John Kerry thought Iraq had them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXwCrpMHkYc


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

Are you thread crapping, or do you have a point? Because people being quoted pre-Iraq invasion has no relevance.

cybrtroll thinks we found WMD in Iraq. He is wrong. What people thought pre-invasion has no relevance. He decided to go off into faux news fantasy world, thinking we found WMD, but even after Santorum announced to the world, our own government, including the DoD and CIA admitted it wasn't true. George Bush himself also admitted it, and said the he was wrong.

Do you really believe we found WMD after we invaded too?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Just to put another nail in cybrtrolls coffin, from his dear leader himself in 2010:

"George W. Bush recounted the mistakes of his presidency on Oprah Winfrey’s talk show as he launched a book tour to promote his just-released memoir, 'Decision Points,'" AP writes. "The former president said he still feels 'sick about' the fact that no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

Gee, once again, we have a choice. Believe the President of the United States, who got daily briefings on this, or we believe an anonymous troll.

Just like the whole law issue, when it was choosing an experienced senior lawyer with years of legal experience and two senators who sponsored the bill, vs an anonymous troll with no legal knowledge.

These certainly are tough choices to make, not! Dude, L2read and educate yourself before looking like an ass.

So are you a birther too? Afraid to answer?

 

[blackangst1]

Are you thread crapping, or do you have a point? Because people being quoted pre-Iraq invasion has no relevance.

cybrtroll thinks we found WMD in Iraq. He is wrong. What people thought pre-invasion has no relevance. He decided to go off into faux news fantasy world, thinking we found WMD, but even after Santorum announced to the world, our own government, including the DoD and CIA admitted it wasn't true. George Bush himself also admitted it, and said the he was wrong.

Do you really believe we found WMD after we invaded too?

Can you quote where cyber said we found WMD's after the start of the war? I looked back a few pages and didnt see it. Thanks.