Newt Gingrich calls war on terror "phony", admits we're losing

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Another Newt quote about the 'war'

Those quotes are from the past year, nice try.

Hmm, that?s funny. You just said a few days ago, about those 2 NYT OP-ED guys changing their views about the Iraq situation now was a big deal, forget what they said in the past. Here you are 2 days laster telling us to forget what Newt is saying now and focus on what he said in the past. You have just totally marginalized yourself as a hypocrite and a fraud. Welcome to my ignore list, should have added you long, long ago.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Phokus
http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...8/gingrich-calls-.html

At least someone else in the GOP is willing to admit this. Our military is stretched too thin to deal with terrorism. The global war on terror is not a 'war' in the conventional sense. You can't fight nations to defeat terrorism, terrorists hide everywhere. Defeating terrorism will require police work and surgical military action, not full blown warfare.

Gee thats funny, I knew that when I was 18. How old is Newt?
You can't have "war" on terrorism, crime, poverty, drugs and most other things of a similar nature.
Really, you can only have war on other countries or any group with clearly defined political boundries.

Since war is an extension of politics, you can only make war on something you were previously dealing with an a political manner.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Yep just round 'em all up like cattle. They are less human, you know? Says so in the Bible.

The only problem I see with people like you is that you're so hell-bent in denying that you were ever wrong in supporting the war so you pick someone, usually on the opposite political spectrum, and blame them. I see it with all the Republicans who have changed their mind about this war. It's ridiculous.

Your joke of ?less than human? is used to support ideals of intolerance and separatism.

Were the Japanese, Germans, fellow Americans, or British less than human in previous wars where we had to act? You play a stupid joke to a serious matter of dealing with a group that preaches the ideology and foreign allegiance behind all the acts of war the western world is suffering.

What does our need for real security measures here at home have to do with you bringing up a tirade on Iraq? You?re lying if you act like I haven?t placed dislike towards our policy in Iraq, or on Bush for leading it and continuing to develop the next Iranian regime at our expense. I have repeatedly mentioned we should withdraw from re-building Iraq and focus on the Islamists here at home.

The only problem I see with people like you is that you're so hell-bent in denying that you were ever wrong in supporting the war so you pick someone, usually on the opposite political spectrum, and blame them

Got a quote, or a link for this bull?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Oh I don't know about that. Motivation is the one thing I think I understand rather well but as to the rest of your post, what does it have to do with anything I said. Never mind! I'm not going to bother to explain what I actually said and show how it has nothing to do with what you are saying here. I will just say this: No, never mind, I don't think I'll say anything about that either.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Oh I don't know about that. Motivation is the one thing I think I understand rather well but as to the rest of your post, what does it have to do with anything I said. Never mind! I'm not going to bother to explain what I actually said and show how it has nothing to do with what you are saying here. I will just say this: No, never mind, I don't think I'll say anything about that either.

:laugh:

Moonbeam has the best posts on P&N, hands down.

 

[StageLeft]

Wow, somebody's getting defensive and his name rhymes with JoffPron.

I don't know anything about Newt, but I know that he's right here. The sleepy, sheepy proles have been led astray again (and it will happen in the future, as it always does) by their government chasing this evil around the globe, frothing at the mouth over something they have no real comprehension of.

The US response to terrorism has been like taking a broken finger and then breaking and casting the leg, so its response has been a) overblown based on the severity of the threat and b) utterly ineffectual and aimed at the wrong thing. That a Republican hopeful can retort a comment by Ron Paul with a cocky, dismissive little grin and comment about "Did you forget about 9/11" shows that they've learned nothing.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Another Newt quote about the 'war'

Those quotes are from the past year, nice try.

Hmm, that?s funny. You just said a few days ago, about those 2 NYT OP-ED guys changing their views about the Iraq situation now was a big deal, forget what they said in the past. Here you are 2 days laster telling us to forget what Newt is saying now and focus on what he said in the past. You have just totally marginalized yourself as a hypocrite and a fraud. Welcome to my ignore list, should have added you long, long ago.

The Republican paid shills will say anything to try and save their America destroying agenda.

To me they are the real terrists we have to worry about in America.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Another Newt quote about the 'war'

Those quotes are from the past year, nice try.

Hmm, that?s funny. You just said a few days ago, about those 2 NYT OP-ED guys changing their views about the Iraq situation now was a big deal, forget what they said in the past. Here you are 2 days laster telling us to forget what Newt is saying now and focus on what he said in the past. You have just totally marginalized yourself as a hypocrite and a fraud. Welcome to my ignore list, should have added you long, long ago.

He's [umbrella] got a point here.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Another Newt quote about the 'war'

Those quotes are from the past year, nice try.

Hmm, that?s funny. You just said a few days ago, about those 2 NYT OP-ED guys changing their views about the Iraq situation now was a big deal, forget what they said in the past. Here you are 2 days laster telling us to forget what Newt is saying now and focus on what he said in the past. You have just totally marginalized yourself as a hypocrite and a fraud. Welcome to my ignore list, should have added you long, long ago.

Something tells me PJ will not respond to you, despite your excellent point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Oh I don't know about that. Motivation is the one thing I think I understand rather well but as to the rest of your post, what does it have to do with anything I said. Never mind! I'm not going to bother to explain what I actually said and show how it has nothing to do with what you are saying here. I will just say this: No, never mind, I don't think I'll say anything about that either.

:laugh:

Moonbeam has the best posts on P&N, hands down.

Actually, I think I prefer this one of yours to mine.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Wish I could find a transcript of his entire remarks instead of little bits and pieces.

[/quote]

With a sig like yours your worried about context??? LOL!

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

I don't think that you have a real firm grasp on reality. There are very few that don't believe that terrorism is a threat. Where you are getting confused is the degree of threat that it represents.

The majority of democrats and those of us that are independent but like to think for ourselves concede that there is a threat from terrorism. But that threat is nowhere near enough to wantonly give up our civil liberties. That threat is nowhere near enough to have gone into a country (Iraq) that had no ties to any terrorism directed at America. That threat is nowhere near enough to continue to have it ruin our reputation as a nation of laws and humane treatment of others.

There are fringe nuts at both ends of the spectrum that think that America is evil. That doesn't mean that the majority of those on the left believe it any more than it means that those on the right believe it.

You are so cowardly and unable to think for yourself that you are buying into the fear mongering to the point that you want to round up Islamists in our own country to pacify your fear and restore your false sense of safety.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Oh I don't know about that. Motivation is the one thing I think I understand rather well but as to the rest of your post, what does it have to do with anything I said. Never mind! I'm not going to bother to explain what I actually said and show how it has nothing to do with what you are saying here. I will just say this: No, never mind, I don't think I'll say anything about that either.

:laugh:

Moonbeam has the best posts on P&N, hands down.

Actually, I think I prefer this one of yours to mine.

:laugh:

Careful, don't let that expand your ego.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Good to see that in less than a year Newt has come around to thinking like a Democrat.

So I am ?thinking like a Democrat??

You fail to understand motivation Moonbeam. We oppose our current action because we are tired of poor performance, not because we think the USA is evil. Not because we deny the terrorist threat as you do. We oppose our current actions because they have hurt this nation and we should do better. We can and should re-focus our attention to the Islamists here in our nation.

Wow, just wow. Jackasslas is a lost cause. I dont even know where to start. What about the fact that president shit for brains went into Iraq with no exit strategy despite the advice? You supported him then, and you dont support his "efforts" now?

What about the fact that president shit for brains went into Iraq with no where near enough troops? You supported him then, and you dont support his "efforts" now? How do you even manage to type on your keyboard with such hypocrisy?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Another Newt quote about the 'war'

Those quotes are from the past year, nice try.

Hmm, that?s funny. You just said a few days ago, about those 2 NYT OP-ED guys changing their views about the Iraq situation now was a big deal, forget what they said in the past. Here you are 2 days laster telling us to forget what Newt is saying now and focus on what he said in the past. You have just totally marginalized yourself as a hypocrite and a fraud. Welcome to my ignore list, should have added you long, long ago.

Something tells me PJ will not respond to you, despite your excellent point.

Of course he won't. Replying would make him a human as opposed to the robotrollingshillbot that he is. If you build it, he will come, if you ignore it, he will go away.

 

[SirStev0]

I don't care if has finally jumped on the the bandwagon (with the rest of ... ohh I don't know... all the US citizens not to mention the entire world) ... I would still never vote for him and would seriously be afraid if he was elected.

 

[umbrella39]

...

 

[imported_Shivetya]

he meant the way we are fighting it.

We are pretending to fight a war versus terror but we handicap ourselves by trying to play nice. Nice and Terror are opposites.

 

[Fern]

I think, contrary to many of you, that Newt means we aren't taking the threat seriously enough and more must be done.

We've been engaged in a phony war," said Gingrich. "The only people who have been taking this seriously are the combat military."


We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany," he said, referring to World War II.

"We beat all three in less than four years. We're about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against ... [terrorist groups], and we're losing."

Linkarooski

Fern

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Skoob said:

I don't know anything about Newt, but I know that he's right here. The sleepy, sheepy proles have been led astray again (and it will happen in the future, as it always does) by their government chasing this evil around the globe, frothing at the mouth over something they have no real comprehension of.

The US response to terrorism has been like taking a broken finger and then breaking and casting the leg, so its response has been a) overblown based on the severity of the threat and b) utterly ineffectual and aimed at the wrong thing. That a Republican hopeful can retort a comment by Ron Paul with a cocky, dismissive little grin and comment about "Did you forget about 9/11" shows that they've learned nothing.

There is a phenomenon experienced by very young children called "wish fulfillment."

The child wishes for food and it magically appears. The child wishes for a hug, cries, and hugs happen. As the child grows a little older, his/her wishes are a little more complicated - that daddy loves mommy, that I'll get a horse, etc .

A mark of maturity is growing out of the wish fulfillment stage and beginning to recognize cause and effect, consequences, etc. But if a child is coddled and protected from cause and effect and from consequences, it is possible to go on believing utterly in "wish fulfillment."

George Bush is the ultimate silver spoon child. Until the mid 80's, he was a spoiled trust funder, drinking, drugging, just having a grand old time with every "wish fulfilled", but probably depressed (leading to drinking and drugging) because he was not his own man.

Then he got religion and stopped drinking and drugging. So, he substituted a new "wish fulfillment strategy." I'll believe in Jesus and he'll get me what I want. He wished to be governor, and by golly it happened. No matter that the cause was daddy's money and friends and his malleability arising from having no political, moral, philosophical code of his own. Jesus made it so. Then he wished to be President, and it happened again. No matter again that his daddy's money and friends, and a willingness to lie continuously, i.e. complete moral suspension, paved the way. Jesus made it so.

Then he wished to change the world and expected it to happen just as it always had before. No matter that it hasn't and everything has gone disastrously wrong - he knows it will happen, everything will be just fine, because he wished it to be so. Accordingly, it is no surprise he spends his days sunny and optimistic, unfazed by the facts, uninterested in studying reports, investigating consequences, exploring options. He needs merely to wish and it will be so.

But he is supported by a huge team of enablers and one team leader devoid of moral compass who has a single goal, power for its own sake with the corollary of fabulous wealth. Of course, that is Dick Cheney, himself happy and content, because he can run the country unhindered by the fool in the Oval Office who is busy "wishing and knowing" but otherwise out of the way.

That is the real danger to the US, to you and me, mothers and children in Iraq, Iran, and the rest of the world, that the chariot of our power is pulled by two horses - a fool and a power-monger, and they have had a very long run before most of the complacent dullards in the chariot even began looking for the reins.

 

[umbrella39]

Who really cares what he meant anyway? These kinds of misquotes have been used for years to rally the GOP base when it is a democrat doing the talking. It's not about what's true anymore, it's about what people will believe. The GOP has been running with this tactic since we invaded Iraq so I see no harm in a little blind eye turning to the true meaning of his quote here

 

[WHAMPOM]

AHH! The success of the war on terror, where once (pre-Bush)"terrorists" were numbered by the hundreds we can now number them by the thousands.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Who really cares what he meant anyway? These kinds of misquotes have been used for years to rally the GOP base when it is a democrat doing the talking. It's not about what's true anymore, it's about what people will believe. The GOP has been running with this tactic since we invaded Iraq so I see no harm in a little blind eye turning to the true meaning of his quote here

A few posts ago you wanted to bash me over the head about what Newt said, but now you don?t care what he said?

Which one is it?

Read what Newt said and do some thinking about what he meant: (all quotes from this speech, sadly I have yet to find a transcript)
"We've been engaged in a phony war,"
"The only people who have been taking this seriously are the combat military."
"We have to take this seriously,"
"We used to be a serious country. When we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, we took on Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany,"
"We beat all three in less than four years. We're about to enter the seventh year of this phony war against ... [terrorist groups], and we're losing."

Newt has used the phrase ?phony war? on many occasions, google it.
Also read this Phoney war (WW 2)

You lefties need to face the fact that you TOTALLY misunderstood what Newt meant when he said ?phoney war?

 

[Lemon law]

The problem with Newt is that he has only one overall wish of power and no overall moral compass. And he cannot be faulted for brains and generates an endless series of new ideas
to rationalize why we fail. And this is just his latest brainfart and no different than all his older brainfarts. He just has a blinding new revaluation to explain some past failure, he will be in total love for a few weeks, then will see that the idea goes nowhere in building a bridge to a better future, and will concoct some new half baked idea a few weeks later. Sooner or later he will be everyones worst enemy and occasional best friend.

Such a person cannot lead. We just have to wonder, in the grand scheme of thing, what is more dangerous. A Newt, or a GWB who has a totally defective moral compass and will take a bad idea and stick with it until all our wheels fall off. And note I said our wheels fall off because we pay the price. GWB will only pay the price if we toss him in jail.

And Newt can be instructive if we look at the sum of his ideas. And note there is no overall moral compass and only raw power behind all of them. And as we are discovering, his ideas
get too many people voting with ied's and terrorism.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Skoob said:

I don't know anything about Newt, but I know that he's right here. The sleepy, sheepy proles have been led astray again (and it will happen in the future, as it always does) by their government chasing this evil around the globe, frothing at the mouth over something they have no real comprehension of.

The US response to terrorism has been like taking a broken finger and then breaking and casting the leg, so its response has been a) overblown based on the severity of the threat and b) utterly ineffectual and aimed at the wrong thing. That a Republican hopeful can retort a comment by Ron Paul with a cocky, dismissive little grin and comment about "Did you forget about 9/11" shows that they've learned nothing.

There is a phenomenon experienced by very young children called "wish fulfillment."

The child wishes for food and it magically appears. The child wishes for a hug, cries, and hugs happen. As the child grows a little older, his/her wishes are a little more complicated - that daddy loves mommy, that I'll get a horse, etc .

A mark of maturity is growing out of the wish fulfillment stage and beginning to recognize cause and effect, consequences, etc. But if a child is coddled and protected from cause and effect and from consequences, it is possible to go on believing utterly in "wish fulfillment."

George Bush is the ultimate silver spoon child. Until the mid 80's, he was a spoiled trust funder, drinking, drugging, just having a grand old time with every "wish fulfilled", but probably depressed (leading to drinking and drugging) because he was not his own man.

Then he got religion and stopped drinking and drugging. So, he substituted a new "wish fulfillment strategy." I'll believe in Jesus and he'll get me what I want. He wished to be governor, and by golly it happened. No matter that the cause was daddy's money and friends and his malleability arising from having no political, moral, philosophical code of his own. Jesus made it so. Then he wished to be President, and it happened again. No matter again that his daddy's money and friends, and a willingness to lie continuously, i.e. complete moral suspension, paved the way. Jesus made it so.

Then he wished to change the world and expected it to happen just as it always had before. No matter that it hasn't and everything has gone disastrously wrong - he knows it will happen, everything will be just fine, because he wished it to be so. Accordingly, it is no surprise he spends his days sunny and optimistic, unfazed by the facts, uninterested in studying reports, investigating consequences, exploring options. He needs merely to wish and it will be so.

But he is supported by a huge team of enablers and one team leader devoid of moral compass who has a single goal, power for its own sake with the corollary of fabulous wealth. Of course, that is Dick Cheney, himself happy and content, because he can run the country unhindered by the fool in the Oval Office who is busy "wishing and knowing" but otherwise out of the way.

That is the real danger to the US, to you and me, mothers and children in Iraq, Iran, and the rest of the world, that the chariot of our power is pulled by two horses - a fool and a power-monger, and they have had a very long run before most of the complacent dullards in the chariot even began looking for the reins.

Bravo! I think you hit the nail squarely on the head. Well done.