Newsweek gives Obama the thumbs down

[hal2kilo]

Let's see what Msnbc has to say about it!



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4818081...s/t/msnbccom-becomes-nbcnewscom/#.UDO6xaBSR7g

OK it looks like MSNBC TV will remain. Reading the article, it makes sense. I always wondered if it concerned Microsoft that MSNBC TV had become increasingly political and that it would contaminate their brand. So online MSNBC has become NBC News and over the next year or so it may or may not be tied to MSN's site since Microsoft is developing a new online news presence.

 

[Fern]

Obama has pushed the envelope that he criticized Bush of doing.

When Congress did not deliver; Bush did an end-around.

Now, that Congress is unable to deliver anything anymore to Obama; he chooses to do an end-around for his proposals rather than obeying the rule of law.
If he does not like it; he finds a way to circumvent the inconvenience of the constitution.

The more Congress has abdicated it's power; the more a president will fill in the void.

And congress can not get it's act together to take it back; they just ignore what happens.

Whether Obama gets re-elected or not; we will start to see much more end- arounds; the precedent has been set that the rejection of a law is no longer an impediment to a goal to implement what the law was intended to do.

Yes, I think so too.

Fern

 

[zsdersw]

Compromise. But this was next to impossible due to those who signed the no tax increase pledge. Boehner's hands were essentially tied by the Tea Party giving him little power to effectively compromise with Democrats or Obama. The power of the Tea Party should not be underestimated.

Yet it is Obama who gets all the blame. Idiots... partisan/ideological idiots... all of them.

 

[boomerang]

The Herd of Independent Minds

Interesting article that makes the point that the left is as entrenched in their views as they accuse the right of being entrenched in theirs. I especially liked the tribal references as I have espoused this theory for quite a number of years.

 

[zsdersw]

The Herd of Independent Minds

Interesting article that makes the point that the left is as entrenched in their views as they accuse the right of being entrenched in theirs. I especially liked the tribal references as I have espoused this theory for quite a number of years.

Of course they're as entrenched in their views as you and those others on the right are. That should be no surprise to anyone.

It doesn't make any of it right, however.

Conservatives get some things right and some things wrong.
Liberals get some things right and some things wrong.

Neither is a panacea. If they were, one would extinguish the other over time. That hasn't happened, though, because both are rooted in human desires and aspirations.. which are often conflicting and contradictory.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yet it is Obama who gets all the blame. Idiots... partisan/ideological idiots... all of them.

Obama gets all the blame? Really? Perhaps you missed all those threads trashing Republicans and the Tea Party for obstructionism. Lots of blame to spread around imo.

 

[zsdersw]

Obama gets all the blame? Really? Perhaps you missed all those threads trashing Republicans and the Tea Party for obstructionism. Lots of blame to spread around imo.

From people who matter, yes, he does.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

From people who matter, yes, he does.

Who are these people who matter? And why do they matter more than other people?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Wow, Newsweek is still around?

 

[WackyDan]

I can agree with a lot of the criticisms listed about Obama in the piece however to represent that Romney has anything like an actual plan (or even who's plan that might be) is dishonest. He has not made a convincing case for his limited/vague proposals and the ones that he's made are conservative window dressing (repeal Obamacare, etc..).

In the 08 election Obama was lacking in specifics and relied heavily on some very basic campaign messaging... He won.

 

[zsdersw]

Who are these people who matter? And why do they matter more than other people?

The people who are going to decide the election: independents. He also gets all the blame from Tea Party folks.

 

[unokitty]

The Herd of Independent Minds
Interesting article that makes the point that the left is as entrenched in their views as they accuse the right of being entrenched in theirs. I especially liked the tribal references as I have espoused this theory for quite a number of years.

Thanks for the interesting link... Are you familiar with Hoffer's "The True Believer?"

In it, he writes about mass movements rather than political philosophy. But I think that there are analogies. For example:

"Hoffer argues that all mass movements ... spread by promising a glorious future. To be successful, these mass movements need the adherents to be willing to sacrifice themselves and others for the future goals. ... Mass movements appeal to frustrated people who are dissatisfied with their current state, but are capable of a strong belief in the future. As well, mass movements appeal to people who want to escape a flawed self by creating an imaginary self and joining a collective whole."

Hoffer's "collective whole" seems pretty similar to Volsky's concept of tribe.

Hoffer further postulates that hate is the great unifier for mass movements. That is, successful movements bind their members though common hates rather than other means...

And based on what I read in many of these threads, hate seems to work pretty well.

Uno

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The people who are going to decide the election: independents. He also gets all the blame from Tea Party folks.

So...independents who blame Obama for the economy (or whatever) and vote against him are idiots?

Not trying to put words in your mouth...just trying to understand your perspective. Seems to me that you very much want Obama to win.

 

[zsdersw]

So...independents who blame Obama for the economy (or whatever) and vote against him are idiots?

No, independents and Tea Party members who blame only Obama for the economy and the lack of things getting done are idiots... whether they vote for or against him.

The rest of us.. who know better.. know that Obama is one of many who are culpable.

Not trying to put words in your mouth...just trying to understand your perspective. Seems to me that you very much want Obama to win.

I want neither Obama nor Romney to win.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No, independents and Tea Party members who blame only Obama for the economy and the lack of things getting done are idiots... whether they vote for or against him.

The rest of us.. who know better.. know that Obama is one of many who are culpable.

I want neither Obama nor Romney to win.

Right or wrong...Presidents usually take the bulk of the blame for a bad economy...Obama is no different. Obama's stimulus plan didn't work as intended and and he created a lot businesses uncertainty with his rhetoric and actions. If you may recall, to get elected, Obama promised cut the deficit in half, double exports, and slash unemployment to get the economy turned around during his first term. Didn't happen. While he does not have all the blame...he certainly does have a substantial part.

I personally think he's shown very poor leadership and deserves to be ousted. I also don't think there's a huge difference between Obama and Romney; however, I believe Romney has a much better chance of restoring confidence in the business community.

 

[zsdersw]

Right or wrong...Presidents usually take the bulk of the blame for a bad economy...Obama is no different. Obama's stimulus plan didn't work as intended and and he created a lot businesses uncertainty with his rhetoric and actions. If you may recall, to get elected, Obama promised cut the deficit in half, double exports, and slash unemployment to get the economy turned around during his first term. Didn't happen. While he does not have all the blame...he certainly does have a substantial part.

I personally think he's shown very poor leadership and deserves to be ousted. I also don't think there's a huge difference between Obama and Romney; however, I believe Romney has a much better chance of restoring confidence in the business community.

I know they usually do, but that doesn't make it right... particularly when faced with a congress with whom compromise is not possible.

 

[cybrsage]

I know they usually do, but that doesn't make it right... particularly when faced with a congress with whom compromise is not possible.

You blame Congress...but forget the President never tried to work with the other side of the aisle.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I know they usually do, but that doesn't make it right... particularly when faced with a congress with whom compromise is not possible.

Obama got Porkulus passed as well as many other things he wanted. Tell me...specifically, what legislation did Obama propose that would have made the a significant improvement in our economy if passed?

 

[JKing106]

I saw this at a number of locations over the weekend and thought the cover was a fabrication. Come to find out it's real. This is the cover of the current Newsweek. I'm totally shocked and I'm not saying that for effect. If the media turns against Obama, he's gone. Without their support he's a one term president.

The article is not a puff piece. It's a slam of the man, his policies and his numerous failures.

Niall Ferguson: Obama’s Gotta Go

This is the magazine that has the Alex Jones worthy pro-Zionist conspiracy ad in the back every issue, isn't it?

 

[Munky]

Newsweek? Ferguson?

Lying shills-

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/unethical-commentary-newsweek-edition/

Lol, and the lefty lying shills go on defense, right on schedule...

 

[zsdersw]

Obama got Porkulus passed as well as many other things he wanted. Tell me...specifically, what legislation did Obama propose that would have made the a significant improvement in our economy if passed?

Let's get a few things straight. I'm proceeding from a statement you originally made in response to this question:

So what exactly was Obama supposed to do with a Congress that flat out obstructs everything he's tried to implement thus far?

You said this in reply:

Compromise. But this was next to impossible due to those who signed the no tax increase pledge. Boehner's hands were essentially tied by the Tea Party giving him little power to effectively compromise with Democrats or Obama. The power of the Tea Party should not be underestimated.

And now you're going to get into proposals Obama made or shouldn't have made given the climate in congress that you outlined?

 

[zsdersw]

You blame Congress...but forget the President never tried to work with the other side of the aisle.

After the 2010 elections he did (because he had to), but Boehner and the Tea Party said no to everything and anything. Obama replied with no to everything and anything they proposed or counter-proposed.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Let's get a few things straight. I'm proceeding from a statement you originally made in response to this question:

You said this in reply:

And now you're going to get into proposals Obama made or shouldn't have made given the climate in congress that you outlined?

Sorry...I thought we were having a conversation...my bad.

 

[zsdersw]

Sorry...I thought we were having a conversation...my bad.

The flow of that conversation struck me as contradictory, is all.

 

[blankslate]

You blame Congress...but forget the President never tried to work with the other side of the aisle.

Patently false. President Obama has put Medicare cuts on the table before during the debt ceiling debate, much to the consternation of traditional liberals of the Democratic Party.

The Republicans said no because the President had the gall to ask for some tax increases in exchange.

If that's not an offer to work with Congress, then what the hell would qualify?

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-puts-medicare-social-security-cuts-table-031442907.html

The Obama administration, in seeking $4 trillion in spending cuts in a debt limit deal, has put major changes to Social Security and Medicare on the table if Republicans agree to increased tax revenues.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/07/obama_puts_social_security_and.html

President Obama is an overachiever. Or ... something. He proposed a mere $2 trillion in cuts during previous budget negotiations, but the White House now says the president will look for $3 trillion to $4 trillion in cuts over the next ten years. The new target comes after a private meeting with House Speaker John Boehner, who reportedly agreed to $1 trillion worth of new tax revenues — in exchange for Obama putting Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare (previously untouchable) on the table. It's unclear exactly how those programs would be trimmed, but cost-of-living adjustments have been bandied about in previous negotiations.