News you CANNOT see in the USA - Palestine Video!

[kylebisme]

The video doesn't claim they are anything but non-leathal rounds. No propoganda there, just a recording of what happened.

 

[Aisengard]

The video implies that they were shooting and killing people in cold blood. Notice the first responses in this thread, the weak-minded are easily fooled, and that's what these mooks are going for. Notice the dramatic, terribly done "drama shot" when the guy gets 'gunned down'.

Take your head out of your ass for once.

 

[bobdelt]

Originally posted by: novon
A sad video - I feel bad for both the unarmed palestinians being shot in cold blood, and the hate-filled Israeli soldiers that carried out the act. They both suffer because of the choices made by our leaders to support Israel.

The future of Isreal is the future of America. If you fail to realize that, God Bless you. But there are more people willing to die for this Jihad than there are US soldiers. If Isreal kicks the bucket, the US becomes the Iran's new target, just in time for nukes!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
The video implies that they were shooting and killing people in cold blood. Notice the first responses in this thread, the weak-minded are easily fooled, and that's what these mooks are going for. Notice the dramatic, terribly done "drama shot" when the guy gets 'gunned down'.

The slow motion is to show the guy getting hit in the head with that rubber bullet, and it suggests nothing about anyone getting shot with real bullets let alone being killed. Posters here came up with that all on their own, not from anything in the video or the Israeli blog it came from:

http://mishtara.org/blog/?p=70

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The video doesn't claim they are anything but non-leathal rounds. No propoganda there, just a recording of what happened.

Just ignorance of people assuming it's Israeli's shooting people to kill.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The video doesn't claim they are anything but non-leathal rounds. No propoganda there, just a recording of what happened.

Just ignorance of people assuming it's Israeli's shooting people to kill.

are you trying to tell me that israel doesnt get over-zealous at times..even if there is a reason behind it? they have been terrorized, but they have also terrorized

i can think back to my childhood as an analogy, i was treated like crap by pretty much everyone for being fat, yet the things i did because of that , the hatred that i took out on innocent people because of my anger over this..was still not acceptable..even if it does make me feel sympathetic for my former self..i have lost the weight now, the problem is no longer there, and its easier to identify the real issues looking back , but when in the heat of oppression it is easy to lash out unjustifiably

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Aisengard
The video implies that they were shooting and killing people in cold blood. Notice the first responses in this thread, the weak-minded are easily fooled, and that's what these mooks are going for. Notice the dramatic, terribly done "drama shot" when the guy gets 'gunned down'.

The slow motion is to show the guy getting hit in the head with that rubber bullet, and it suggests nothing about anyone getting shot with real bullets let alone being killed. Posters here came up with that all on their own, not from anything in the video or the Israeli blog it came from:

http://mishtara.org/blog/?p=70

But thats the point. It's overly dramatic, and leaves a very obvious and important fact out. Most of us notice immediately that they aren't real bullets, but from the first few posts, its quite obvious that the knee jerk reaction is different.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: foghorn67

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The video doesn't claim they are anything but non-leathal rounds. No propoganda there, just a recording of what happened.

Just ignorance of people assuming it's Israeli's shooting people to kill.

are you trying to tell me that israel doesnt get over-zealous at times..even if there is a reason behind it? they have been terrorized, but they have also terrorized

i can think back to my childhood as an analogy, i was treated like crap by pretty much everyone for being fat, yet the things i did because of that , the hatred that i took out on innocent people because of my anger over this..was still not acceptable..even if it does make me feel sympathetic for my former self..i have lost the weight now, the problem is no longer there, and its easier to identify the real issues looking back , but when in the heat of oppression it is easy to lash out unjustifiably

where did I say that??? Topic was the video.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The slow motion is to show the guy getting hit in the head with that rubber bullet, and it suggests nothing about anyone getting shot with real bullets let alone being killed.

Yeah, and the guy yelling "there are civilians here" repeatadly, doesn't make you think there is extreme danger.....

Amazing how that blood showed up all over his shirt after he "moved".

Call me a cynic, but if there weren't any cameras, I'm sure the following day they would be saying of 7 injured.... at least.

The guy didn't take a rubber bullet to the head, but a ketchup to the shirt.

 

[Horus]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The slow motion is to show the guy getting hit in the head with that rubber bullet, and it suggests nothing about anyone getting shot with real bullets let alone being killed.

Yeah, and the guy yelling "there are civilians here" repeatadly, doesn't make you think there is extreme danger.....

Amazing how that blood showed up all over his shirt after he "moved".

Call me a cynic, but if there weren't any cameras, I'm sure the following day they would be saying of 7 injured.... at least.

The guy didn't take a rubber bullet to the head, but a ketchup to the shirt.

Lol, nice.

 

[kylebisme]

It isn't ketchup and it isn't nice, the guy shown in the video went into a coma:

Today, August 11, the Israeli army and Border Police brutally prevented Bil?in?s weekly non-violent demonstration, by firing rubber bullets and sound grenades on protestors as they marched through the village on their way to the Apartheid wall. Fourteen people from Bil?in, Israelis and internationals, have been injured, including an Israeli, Lymar, in critical condition who was shot on neck and just above his right ear with 3 rubber bullets at close range. He has had surgery at Tel Hashomer hospital to remove a rubber bullet that was lodged in his skull. Currently he is in a medical induced coma in moderate but stable condition, but has sustained brain damaged of unknown severity.

http://www.palsolidarity.org/main/2006/08/11/bilin-4/

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: buggati
Rare video catches Israeli Soldiers shooting at people who were part of a peace rally - Aug. 2006.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/9793/bilin.wmv

Rare video? The soldiers walked right past the cameraman. I think had the Israelis wanted to cover this up the cameraman would be serioulsy injured. The video seems to be edited in such a way that we don't see what provoked the soldiers to start shooting their rubber bullets. Maybe if someone who speaks the language can interpret the audio.

The sad part of it is this video is probably making its way around the middle east as a massacre video of some sort.

basically, the "bullets" that are being fired are blank catriges that make noise and smoke but don't actually hurt. the reporter is shoudting:
"Why are you shooting at them? they're unarmed israeli citizens!"
i don't know what caused the provocation. also, who many iraqi citizens were killed? but you don't care. how many innocent veitnamease were killed? but of course it's irrelevent. you need to stop seeing the world from your narrow perspective.

 

[imported_peachee]

It's so sad that these pro-Israeli supporters will never admit that Israel is wrong. This is the reason why Israel will never see peace ... because it's overzealous supporters think that they are above the law.

Read these Pro-Israelis' posts. Ask them to name one example of how an Israeli can do wrong to a non-Israeli. They will say no and can give no examples. This means they are highly biased and prejudiced for Israel and will never believe in true equality and justice.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: peachee
It's so sad that these pro-Israeli supporters will never admit that Israel is wrong. This is the reason why Israel will never see peace ... because it's overzealous supporters think that they are above the law.

Read these Pro-Israelis' posts. Ask them to name one example of how an Israeli can do wrong to a non-Israeli. They will say no and can give no examples. This means they are highly biased and prejudiced for Israel and will never believe in true equality and justice.

Are you on crack? Name one person on this forum by name who will say that an Israeli can do no wrong to a non-Israeli. One person.

 

[imported_dna]

peachee, you must not be aware of this phenomenal acting talent that people in the Middle East have. Feel free to check this thread as well.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: peachee
It's so sad that these pro-Israeli supporters will never admit that Israel is wrong. This is the reason why Israel will never see peace ... because it's overzealous supporters think that they are above the law.

Read these Pro-Israelis' posts. Ask them to name one example of how an Israeli can do wrong to a non-Israeli. They will say no and can give no examples. This means they are highly biased and prejudiced for Israel and will never believe in true equality and justice.

Why should we 'admit' anything when they are so clearly free of fault in this situation? You anti-Israeli sheeple will believe anything and everything that comes out against Israel, despite the massive failure in accuracy time and time again.

Israel can do wrong to a non-Israeli. Non-Israelis can do wrong to Israelis. Everyone can do wrong to everyone. There, I said it. You are full of ******.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: peachee
It's so sad that these pro-Israeli supporters will never admit that Israel is wrong. This is the reason why Israel will never see peace ... because it's overzealous supporters think that they are above the law.

Read these Pro-Israelis' posts. Ask them to name one example of how an Israeli can do wrong to a non-Israeli. They will say no and can give no examples. This means they are highly biased and prejudiced for Israel and will never believe in true equality and justice.

In case you didn't see dna's thread, today:

Topic Title: News that you CANNOT See in the USA - Ambulance Video!
Topic Summary: Remeber that ambulance hit by "missiles"?

Originally posted by: dna
Remember that ambulance story in from Lebanon? How excited the media was over it? "Atrocity" they screamed....

Well, now that the story is proven fake, none of the media outlets will acknowledge their mistake.

Watch the video.

Read the detailed analysis.

Oh, the humanity....:shocked:

Is that a foot in your mouth, or are you just glad to see us? :laugh:

 

[kylebisme]

Update on Limor Goldstein the Israeli Lawyer and Activist Shot in Bil?in on the 11th of August

The article explains a bit on how the rubber bullets work:

The Israeli Occupation soldier shot him with a cylindrical device that is attached to an M16, this cylindrical can fire dozens of rubber or plastic bullets at a time, at the legal 50 meter range deemed appropriate to disperse before reaching the target.

 

[linkgoron]

Ignore my post, I thought I was posting in a different thread

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: peachee
It's so sad that these pro-Israeli supporters will never admit that Israel is wrong. This is the reason why Israel will never see peace ... because it's overzealous supporters think that they are above the law.

Read these Pro-Israelis' posts. Ask them to name one example of how an Israeli can do wrong to a non-Israeli. They will say no and can give no examples. This means they are highly biased and prejudiced for Israel and will never believe in true equality and justice.

What amazes me is people who seem to ignore the basic facts about what is going on. Did you even look at the video? It's clearly anti-Israeli propaganda, because they are NOT EVEN USING REAL BULLETS, and yet it's a "massacre"...

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Horus

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Horus
They're using blanks. I use the M16 on nearly a daily basis. If you're using live rounds, the M16 will automatically cycle and push another round into the chamber. By cocking them over and over again, they have to cycle them manually, meaning that the bolts are not going back and forth.

Blanks. You've been DUPED.

I'm calling you out on this.

I was in the Canadian Armed Forces and been on exercises many times. We use a version of the M16A2 also used by Israel and the US. The bolt moves properly with blanks as if it was a live round being fired. The only difference was blanks were louder and clogged up the weapon sooner requiring cleaning more often than normal.

Either clarify your statement or don't post BS.

Ok. I'm in the CF too, been in for 3 years now. Do you remember a little yellow device you put on the front of the barrel called a BFA, or Blank Fire Attachment, that screwed onto the front of the C7? It allowed the gas from the blanks to recycle through the gas mechanism and push the bolt back. Without it, the gas escapes out the front of the barrel and the bolt isn't actioned.

You can clearly see the Israeli troops loading something into the front of those rifles, right into that barrel extension. I'm guessing rubber pellets.

But non-lethal. We can go into weapons dynamics as long as you want, but I'm telling you, those were NOT real bullets. Even the sound is different. You would have heard a much louder noise with the rounds going through the sound barrier. But it was just that POP of the gunpowder going off. Hell man, all we ever USE on exercizes is blanks, you should know that! And you should know how the BFA works too!

Aelius, what unit were you in? Just curious.

Good point. However it wasn't explained to me. I thought it was there to protect against burns from the muzzle flash. Although I recall being told not to fire it within 2m of anyone in front of the muzzle.

I'm not going to discuss my unit since the failure of one disgraced officer, who was in charge of our training, should not blacken an entire unit. I'll simply say it's a Reserve unit in Ontario.

 

[Aimster]

Israel is evil

Long live Palestine!!

Now to go find my Palestinian flag and free Palestine t-shirt.