News from OcUK about timeframe for GTX670 GTX660 and the rest of the Kepler stack

[blastingcap]

Thought some of you might want to know this if you were planning to build a rig later this year:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21792525&postcount=54

660 will be approx 6 months.

The NV lineup shall be as follows:-

GTX 690 - £800+
GTX 680 4GB - £500+
GTX 680 - £400+
GTX 670 - £300+
GTX 580 - £300 and is now EOL with very little stock left so no further price drops
GTX 570 - £200
GTX 560Ti 448 - £180
GTX 560Ti - £160
GTX 560 - £140
GTX 550Ti - £100

That's the stack for the next few months


He talks about other stuff in the rest of the thread, like not to expect gtx 680 price cuts anytime soon:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21797113&postcount=85

 

[Skurge]

6 months is November, seems unlikely.

 

[blastingcap]

Apparently 28nm shortages are that bad or something? I don't know why he said 6 months, but that's what he said. He could be wrong though.

 

[3DVagabond]

This guy, Gibbo, doesn't usually talk crap. He's more reliable than the rumor sites. His business is selling cards, not page hits.

 

[blastingcap]

He's also been consistent except re: the gtx 670 ti which apparently is canceled or postponed or something. He said this on March 22:

Hi there

I've had access to roadmaps for sometime and have access to the latest.

GTX 680 was intended for March/April, it is now here. Fact is NVIDIA were always intending to release GTX 680 class card now, yes the spec may have changed but this has always being scheduled launch for their top-end GTX 680 product.

Cards that will come next shall be 670Ti and 670, expect them around May time, maybe end of April, these shall both be slower than GTX 680 obviously.

GTX 680 2GB, aimed at 7970.
GTX 670ti replaces GTX 580 and shall also be 2GB at £320ish range, it will take on 7950 3GB.
GTX 670 replaces GTX 570 and no doubt 2GB also, expect £239.99 and well slightly faster than GTX 570.

GTX 560Ti and 560 are not due to be replaced until much later in the year.

All low-end, 520/550 etc. shall be re-branded into 6xx series, same cards just re-boxed as 6 series with slightly bumped clock speeds.

A dual GPU based card could and can be released when NVIDIA desire to do so, most likely called GTX 690.

Again GTX 680 is flagged on the roadmap as fastest single GPU card, will a faster single GPU card come this year. Well I guess that depends if NVIDIA feel they need one and if they do I suspect October-December timeframe.


What we can expect in April/May is AIB's making much faster and higher TDP varients of GTX 680.

Don't be surprised to see cards like EVGA GTX 680 Superclocked 4096MB soon with twice memory and higher clock speeds for £500-£600 region.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21532597&postcount=29

 

[Skurge]

Apparently 28nm shortages are that bad or something? I don't know why he said 6 months, but that's what he said. He could be wrong though.

I really can't why the 660 would come out so late. The 7900, 7800 and 7700 series all launched within 3 months of each other and stock is plentiful. So I don't know what's going on with Nvidia. I highly doubt TSMC would give AMD more capacity.

 

[DeeJayeS]

Grr, more confirmation that 660ti won't be arriving on May 10th...

Ah well, here's hoping we have MSI 7850 power edition in stock sometime this week.

 

[tviceman]

I think there is some truth to all of this. GK104 is going to have at least 3 desktop SKU's, maybe even 4 depending on yields. GK107 so far covers every single Kepler mobile GPU.

 

[Ajay]

Was hoping for GTX 580 performance @~$300 in 28nm. May have to stretch my budget to $400, but at least I'll get better performance from a GTX 670. My timeframe is late June early July, hope supply gets better so I don't have to play 'whack a mole' trying to order one.

 

[Jaydip]

Thought some of you might want to know this if you were planning to build a rig later this year:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21792525&postcount=54

660 will be approx 6 months.

The NV lineup shall be as follows:-

GTX 690 - £800+
GTX 680 4GB - £500+
GTX 680 - £400+
GTX 670 - £300+
GTX 580 - £300 and is now EOL with very little stock left so no further price drops
GTX 570 - £200
GTX 560Ti 448 - £180
GTX 560Ti - £160
GTX 560 - £140
GTX 550Ti - £100

That's the stack for the next few months


He talks about other stuff in the rest of the thread, like not to expect gtx 680 price cuts anytime soon:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21797113&postcount=85

That means 670 will be on par with 580,that will be a major disappointment.I think 7950 may edge out 670 in many scenarios.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Looks like prices are going to be higher all around this gen. 680= $500, 670= $400?, 660ti= $319?

 

[tviceman]

That means 670 will be on par with 580,that will be a major disappointment.I think 7950 may edge out 670 in many scenarios.

What???? The percentage of difference in cores between the hd7970 and hd7950 is exactly the same as the rumored gtx670 specs, while the gtx670's supposed clock speed is LESS of a drop (in both straight numbers and in percentages) than hd7950's. Couple that with the very known fact that the gtx680 is more easily bandwidth constrained AND that the gtx670 will have the same bandwidth (which means a higher percentage of bandwidth relative to the chips theoretical performance) and I think it's safe to assume the gtx670 will have, at the very minimum, the same lead over the hd7950 as the gtx680 has over the hd7970.

 

[Zebo]

Man I guess AMD can continue rape at 28nm for awhile. I was looking @ 7850s today and all OOS at newegg despite high prices.

 

[Zebo]

Looks like prices are going to be higher all around this gen. 680= $500, 670= $400?, 660ti= $319?

680 is legit. You always pay hefty premium for top card. Others are not ...users are used to getting -1 or -2 off the top for ~ half price like GTX 570s and 6950s.

 

[blastingcap]

What???? The percentage of difference in cores between the hd7970 and hd7950 is exactly the same as the rumored gtx670 specs, while the gtx670's supposed clock speed is LESS of a drop (in both straight numbers and in percentages) than hd7950's. Couple that with the very known fact that the gtx680 is more easily bandwidth constrained AND that the gtx670 will have the same bandwidth (which means a higher percentage of bandwidth relative to the chips theoretical performance) and I think it's safe to assume the gtx670 will have, at the very minimum, the same lead over the hd7950 as the gtx680 has over the hd7970.

The 7/8th ratio was apparently for the gtx 670 Ti, but that is apparently being put on hold, and the next step down will be the gtx 670 (no "Ti") which is 3/4 of gtx 680. 75% of gtx 680 at near-680 clocks will probably be on par with the 7950 or 7870 depending on the exact clocks.

EDIT: I just realized that I could be misinterpreting what he said... that he could have meant that there will be no gtx670ti vs. non-ti; that it will simply be gtx 670 and 7/8th of gtx 680. So they got rid of the lower spec variant and kept the higher one, rather than the other way around.

 

[toyota]

That means 670 will be on par with 580,that will be a major disappointment.I think 7950 may edge out 670 in many scenarios.

gtx680 is 30-35% faster than the gtx580. there is no way the gtx670 will only match the gtx580. its probably going to be 15-20% faster than the gtx580. the gtx670 is going to be priced around 400 bucks which is only 100 less than the gtx680. usually Nvidia prices that level of card at 350 bucks so that also is a sign that there will likely be no more than 15% performance difference between the gtx680 and gtx670.

 

[Zebo]

The 7/8th ratio was apparently for the gtx 670 Ti, but that is apparently being put on hold, and the next step down will be the gtx 670 (no "Ti") which is 3/4 of gtx 680. 75% of gtx 680 at near-680 clocks will probably be on par with the 7950 or 7870 depending on the exact clocks.

If it doesn't beat 7950 its a fail considering 7950 has 500Mhz of OC room and is cheaper.

 

[blastingcap]

If it doesn't beat 7950 its a fail considering 7950 has 500Mhz of OC room and is cheaper.

I just realized I could be misinterpreting what he said; that instead of getting rid of the higher variant he could have meant getting rid of the lower variant. So the card formerly known as gtx 670Ti could simply be the gtx 670, and have 87.5% of gtx 680's cores. This seems more likely to me based on the other rumors swirling around. Should be about 10% faster than a stock-clocked 7950 and on par when both are oc'd to the hilt.

 

[toyota]

If it doesn't beat 7950 its a fail considering 7950 has 500Mhz of OC room and is cheaper.

sorry but MOST 7950 cards most certainly do not have 500mhz of overclocking headroom. that would be 1300mhz and even most 7970 cards cannot even do that. heck many 7970 cards can barely do 1200.

 

[Zebo]

I just realized I could be misinterpreting what he said; that instead of getting rid of the higher variant he could have meant getting rid of the lower variant.

That's what I think too. it will come in above 7950 in stock form. Look good in reviews but in reality 7950 will have more potential being only a 800Mhz part. But OCing is small audience compared to reviewers and nV won't let 670 be slower in the press.

 

[Stuka87]

If it doesn't beat 7950 its a fail considering 7950 has 500Mhz of OC room and is cheaper.

I would say almost every single dual fan card will hit 1100 no problem. But hitting 1300 is really pushing it, and they don't all have that kind of over head.

 

[Zebo]

sorry but MOST 7950 cards most certainly do not have 500mhz of overclocking headroom. that would be 1300mhz and most 7970 cards cannot even do that. heck many 7970 cards can barely do 1200.

Did I say most? Many do though on air. And 7950 is same.

Spend some time here and see
http://www.overclock.net/t/1196856/official-amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-owners-thread

 

[Jaydip]

gtx680 is 30-35% faster than the gtx580. there is no way the gtx670 will only match the gtx580. its probably going to be 15-20% faster than the gtx580. the gtx670 is going to be priced around 400 bucks which is only 100 less than the gtx680. usually Nvidia prices that level of card at 350 bucks so that also is a sign that there will likely be no more than 15% performance difference between the gtx680 and gtx670.

Well 680 is a pretty good card but it can easily become bandwidth constrained.So if they cut the chip down pretty bad it may not be much better than a 580.

 

[toyota]

Did I say most? Many do though on air. And 7950 is same.

Spend some time here and see
http://www.overclock.net/t/1196856/official-amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-owners-thread

what?

If it doesn't beat 7950 its a fail considering 7950 has 500Mhz of OC room and is cheaper.

saying that is like proclaiming that a 7950 has 500mhz of headroom. considering the vast majority of 7950 cards do not even have 400mhz of headroom, it is ridiculous to say 500mhz the way you did. heck MOST do not even oc by much more than 300mhz if they can do that.

 

[Jaydip]

What???? The percentage of difference in cores between the hd7970 and hd7950 is exactly the same as the rumored gtx670 specs, while the gtx670's supposed clock speed is LESS of a drop (in both straight numbers and in percentages) than hd7950's. Couple that with the very known fact that the gtx680 is more easily bandwidth constrained AND that the gtx670 will have the same bandwidth (which means a higher percentage of bandwidth relative to the chips theoretical performance) and I think it's safe to assume the gtx670 will have, at the very minimum, the same lead over the hd7950 as the gtx680 has over the hd7970.

U misunderstood my point.680 is already bandwidth constrained ,so a cut down version of 680 may not do so well in texture heavy games.7950 is very close to 7970 so it can edge out 670.