Newest webserver software for Linux beats MS hands down

[Ulfwald]

<< The most unexpected testing issue that came up was our inability to saturate the Tux-based Web server on our standard test server configuration because it was so fast, a problem that forced us to remove two processors from the four-way Dell PowerEdge 6400 server (which was equipped with two Gigabit NICs and 2GB of RAM). This was the only way the testbed of 80 workstations could max out the Tux server. >>



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I think MS had better pay attention to this one, it may cost them some of the server market.

 

[Soybomb]

Don't act like you were surprised Really I think most users in the know would take a linux box over a 2k box, but thats the problem. Most companies looking to setup a small intranet are run by boobs who can only point and click their way to insecurity and instability offered by 2k.

 

[Ulfwald]

I just want to find the download so I can begin learning this.

 

[Bulldog7000]

Amen! Soybomb!

BDOG

 

[Ameesh]

<< Don't act like you were surprised Really I think most users in the know would take a linux box over a 2k box, but thats the problem. Most companies looking to setup a small intranet are run by boobs who can only point and click their way to insecurity and instability offered by 2k. >>



this is a stupid remark, why dont we talk about linux and its software as it is: a stripped down easy to write piece of code, it is very stable but doesnt provide the flexibility or the robustness of more complex server software like IIS


Any programmer worth a grain of salt can read and hack linux code cause it is sooo simple but when you move into more robust OS's and software patience and intelligence is needed, im sick of all these retard sys admins who think they are tough $hit because they can setup a unix box. complexity brings utility and thats why windows will always hold 90%+ of the market, period. linux is a piece of unsupported junk who cares if it can dish out simple http requests quickly. Opera is a fast browesr i'd like to see you use opera and linux all the time....

 

[StageLeft]

Amen Ameesh!

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News flash: IIS isn't only server software being admined by boobs for small web sites.

 

[T2T III]

<< Most companies looking to setup a small intranet are run by boobs who can only point and click their way to insecurity and instability offered by 2k. >>


Don't forget, companies are not only setting up small intranets on Windows 2000. Many are using Windows 2000 for their Internet servers too!

 

[Ameesh]

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<< Most companies looking to setup a small intranet are run by boobs who can only point and click their way to insecurity and instability offered by 2k. >>


Don't forget, companies are not only setting up small intranets on Windows 2000. Many are using Windows 2000 for their Internet servers too! >>



yeah like barnes and nobles.com

 

[GL]

No thank you. It runs in kernel space. Besides that it only supports static content.

ERR guess they upgraded it since the old days - it does support dynamic content. OH well, it still runs in kernel space. I'd love to seen exploit or bug bring down an entire system.

 

[67gt500]

isn't Tux offered with red hat's package?

 

[GL]

<< isn't Tux offered with red hat's package? >>



Probably - they're the ones who develop it I think.

 

<< Most companies looking to setup a small intranet are run by boobs who can only point and click their way to insecurity and instability offered by 2k. >>


Im short you know absolutly nothing.

Win2k is very robust and takes many of the qualities from *nix and novell and mixes them and provides a platform that is very very robust and expandable.

Yea *nix is great, but really only holds a market in massive data transfer and routing.
2k is creeping up on the market, and will only succeed when it makes complete compatibility with dns and bind.

 

[Ameesh]

yay! people with actual knowledge are posting!

 

[Killbat]

But fellas! Bashing MS is trendy! Everyone cool knows that Linux is teh win!

If you don't have significant personal experience with both systems, you may not comment! Have a nice day.

 

[Ameesh]

<< But fellas! Bashing MS is trendy! Everyone cool knows that Linux is teh win!

If you don't have significant personal experience with both systems, you may not comment! Have a nice day. >>




i agree! (but i think linux can be interchanged with any flavor of unix)

 

<< If you don't have significant personal experience with both systems, you may not comment! Have a nice day. >>


I was doing this before you owned a computer.

 

[Soybomb]

<< this is a stupid remark, why dont we talk about linux and its software as it is: a stripped down easy to write piece of code, it is very stable but doesnt provide the flexibility or the robustness of more complex server software like IIS >>

That is the most idiotic statement I've heard all day. Seriously. Linux isn't more flexible than windows. HOW!? If its so easy for you to read teh code, can't you just read it and crank something out to make it do whatever you want to do. Now lets see you bang out a few lines of code for a new feature on IIS.


<< why windows will always hold 90%+ of the market, period. >>

Let me see a link showing that windows holds 90% of the market share in teh server market. On my planet a piece of software called apache holds a huge market share and its a predominantly linux/*nix/bsd piece of software. I mean I'm sure if barnes and noble uses 2k its great, who cares what really high traffic sites like google and yahoo use, I mean barnes and noble....THEY SELL BOOKS, surely they are high traffic!

Overall you people are cute. I mean really, I've setup servers on both platforms. I use windows 2k most of the time on my personal surfing box, its a great desktop os. It isn't the best server os there is though, thats a job for a *nix. Why does the pcmagazine article say that on average their 2k box had to be rebooted every six weeks if its so great? How about some links showing me that your 2k box is more stable and outperforms a linux box.

By no means do I mean that you can't make 2k stable or secure, but out of the box, it sucks really. Now make an install of freebsd or slackware and youre good to go. Man apache, I hate that crappy webserver! I'd love to be a 2k admin, talk about job security, thats guarenteed income right there.

 

[Ameesh]

1) i have made several plugins for IIS and services for NT/2K

2) I shouldnt have to write extra functionality into Linux, it should be part of the OS, thats what Microsoft does and thats why people appreciate it.

3) If you have taken any intro Operating Systems Class (from a university) you would know how ridicoulusly simple Unix OS's are, the code is not taxing at all and and 2nd year student could implement any of the features of the OS. Complexity in the windows OS's move to show the utility.

4) the reason Linux is soo stable is because it doesnt do anything special! Try running high traffic dynamic content site on the kernel residing tux server we'll see how stable it is.

5) the server market is not dominated by windows yet and i never said it was, but slowly but surely windows is taking hold of the market because the TCO is way lower when you have an intelligent admin working servers.

6) Everything on linux is half-ass, the gui like gnome, the software like websphere (god save us from $hitty ibm), and the hardware suport.



I'm not saying Unix is poor, it does have its uses but as a fleixble and robust operating system, windows owns.






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<< this is a stupid remark, why dont we talk about linux and its software as it is: a stripped down easy to write piece of code, it is very stable but doesnt provide the flexibility or the robustness of more complex server software like IIS >>

That is the most idiotic statement I've heard all day. Seriously. Linux isn't more flexible than windows. HOW!? If its so easy for you to read teh code, can't you just read it and crank something out to make it do whatever you want to do. Now lets see you bang out a few lines of code for a new feature on IIS.


<< why windows will always hold 90%+ of the market, period. >>

Let me see a link showing that windows holds 90% of the market share in teh server market. On my planet a piece of software called apache holds a huge market share and its a predominantly linux/*nix/bsd piece of software. I mean I'm sure if barnes and noble uses 2k its great, who cares what really high traffic sites like google and yahoo use, I mean barnes and noble....THEY SELL BOOKS, surely they are high traffic!

Overall you people are cute. I mean really, I've setup servers on both platforms. I use windows 2k most of the time on my personal surfing box, its a great desktop os. It isn't the best server os there is though, thats a job for a *nix. Why does the pcmagazine article say that on average their 2k box had to be rebooted every six weeks if its so great? How about some links showing me that your 2k box is more stable and outperforms a linux box.

By no means do I mean that you can't make 2k stable or secure, but out of the box, it sucks really. Now make an install of freebsd or slackware and youre good to go. Man apache, I hate that crappy webserver! I'd love to be a 2k admin, talk about job security, thats guarenteed income right there. >>

 

[Soybomb]

What do you need linux to do thats so special? If I want a program I bang something out because its so simple. I'm sure you can easily figure out whats up with the code, but you tell me exactly line by line why the kernel is structed the way it is and I&quot;ll give you $50. THose are some good coders and you might be able to look at it and say I know whats going on, but you will not have a complete understanding. Either way I don't care what the difference in complexity is as long as they both get the job done. Currently linux does it quicker, with less hardware demand, and with more stability. The only reason your cost of admining a win2000 box is cheaper is because bob from the mailroom will point and click his way to a $2 an hour raise with happiness. He's setup his own at home, surely he's up to the challenge of a machine hosting 1000 clients.

 

[Soccerman]

the reason Linux is soo stable is because it doesnt do anything special!

if it's so easy to write for linux, then why would it be that you can't get anything 'special' put into linux without alot of hard work to get it stable?

 

[PG]

The fact that Tux 2.0 was also significantly faster than Windows 2000's Internet Information Server 5.0 Web server (5,137 requests per second) clearly shows the advantages of Tux's new design over that of a well-established Web server. The next version of IIS (which ships with Microsoft Corp.'s Whistler project) uses several ideas introduced by Tux, including the kernel-space design.

If Microsoft is so great, why do they keep stealing ideas from others?

 

[thien_vu]

I've admin both Win2k boxes and Linux boxes.

For the Win2k boxes, the interoperability is there because MS makes it that way. On the other hand, the overhead needed to maintain it doesn't make it worthwhile for me to run. Win2k boxes need a lot of love after they've been setup.

For the Linux boxes, the interoperability is definitely not there. Usually to have things work together, you need to write your own stuff and glue it together. This is where most people applaud the &quot;customizability&quot; of their machines. The individual components of Linux boxes are very good and do their individual jobs very well.

For me personally, I started out with WinNT/2k boxes because they were easier to setup, but I've since moved to Linux boxes because the time needed to maintain the Linux boxes is much less. From a security standpoint, Linux takes less work because you do see everything. With MS software a lot of it is hidden. It is getting better with consolidating related pieces in the MMC, but for me nothing beats editting a text file. Its just so much faster.

From a philosophy standpoint, MS stuff is softer and doesn't force you to be a good user. After the harsh learning curve of Linux (re-install like 3 times before I had a faint idea of what I was doing) hacking stuff together gets really, really easy. Thats what makes it so fun. I recommend reading the Halloween I, II documents (internal MS docs that were leaked) on the analysis of a MS employee with his experience with open source and Linux.

The link below are the docs commented by an OSS advocate, but its interesting to see how MS employees view the open source community.

Halloween documents

 

[thien_vu]

As for putting a web server into the OS, I think that cheating. You will get better performance, at the cost of the stability/security/etc of the whole system which is not worth the trade off.

I would prefer to have a webserver design that allows for scalability to increase throughput.

 

[StageLeft]

If Microsoft is so great, why do they keep stealing ideas from others?

Cause they are good ideas? Everybody steals ideas from everybody. Imagine where AMD and Intel would be now if each company existed as if the other had never been born! You can bet your ass there wouldn't be 1.7 ghz chips! Everybody learns from everybody.

I wonder what Tux was doing that made it faster...? I know that in certain environments linux is better as a server OS than windows, but in other ones its not always the case. For instance, if all a server is doing is throwing out thousands of non-dynamic pages a minute its not particuarly useful.

 

Ill root your *nix box before you can even lay a finger on my advanced server box.
linux is a cheap hack. BSD is the only real way to go.



<< If Microsoft is so great, why do they keep stealing ideas from others? >>


Because *nix has been around for the past 30-40 years. Give microsoft a few years to catch up, they have more then enough resources to do it.

Continually showing that *nix is better for webservers and routing is quite pointless, there really has not been a change in that fact for years.
But in general *nix is moving in the wrong direction of computing. The ideas of open source and the fundamentals of the OS are wonderful, now there should be some software that actually takes advantage of the market, not just a handfull of geeks with no cash.