Maybe you should try 12x166. This is probably the most pleasant setting to hit 2ghz. Instead of using 14, try using higher fsb, usually a really high multiplier is not the best way with lower rated chips.
Do you guys think if I underclocked Thoroughbred 1700+ @ 1100mhz with a 100fsb, it would run cooler than a Duron 1300? My HTPC is in a cramped micro ATX case and my Duron routinely idles at 60C (!!), I want to get something that runs cooler than that.
LoL, thx....
My Reqs:
- No need for onboard video/sound/usb2.0/NIC
- stable
- good for overclocking
Anyone know if kx7-333 is a good contender?
So all t-bred oems' are unlocked? If so that's great, no need to connect the bridges then or get a kt400 with it's multiplier override function. Getting a sweet deal on a kt333 refurb would go nice with one of these t-bred B 1700+!
Devistater said:
"Sniped stuff.
Take a look here, directron sometimes has some good deals. That's where I got my Abit KG7 Raid one for under $60 shipped.
http://www.directron.com/socketathlon.html
Take a look at the ones under $100. They have a few around $60 or so.
Newegg has some decent ones too. You can click the products, then AMD motherboards, then on the left hand side, tell it to give you all the motherboards under $70 or whatever your limit is.
And if you are going to pay $70 for a vid card, you might want to consider going up to $100 or so and getting a geforce 4 4200. (Avoid the geforce 4mx like the plague).
Oh, and check compgeeks they sometimes have good deals. Just read the description and see if its new or refurbbed.
Mobo page:http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=MBB"
Thanks for the info!
You might be happy to know that I have been doing all that since the Summer and even had great email conversations with the man in England regarding his web site on the ABIT MB. As many here, I simply want the best bang for my buck now, but also for the foreseeable future (12 to 18 months).
So, if the AMD 1700 is a good CPU that will work for us during the next 12 months - great.
What I am looking at is that should I go ahead and buy a good (no refurbs for me at this time due to my experience, or lack thereof) motherboard like a KT400 or a nForce MB that should keep this rebuilt PC current for the next CPU purchase when the prices come down next year????
It becomes a decision between spending an extra $40 for a MB that could/would be better investment now than having to buy a new one 12 months from now just to keep semi-cuurent on speed, dependability, and quality.
The constants are: Case, Power Supply, CD drives, LAN card, Sound Card (?), Floppy Drive, Fans, and USB 2.0.
The primary variables are: video card, motherboard, and CPU.
So, if you go with a GeForce 4200 or the like, and only upgrade that when Radeon 9700's price drops (or the comparable GeF 4+ VC) to a similar cheap level we can find the GeForce 4200 (or the like at now), then the primary variables for consideration now are the CPU and the motherboard - right?
Decision Variations (estimated costs):
CPU Price MB Price Total Future Need Cost
1700 $51 KT266 $50 $101 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 kt333 75 126 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 KT400 100 151 CPU Low
1700 51 nForce 110 161 CPU Lowest
2100 96 kt333 75 171 CPU + MB Highest
2100 96 kt400 100 196 CPU Low
2100 96 nForce 110 206 CPU Lowest
What do you all think?
Since we do not know what the future holds, as to prices and available technology (we can guess), we can make an estimate based on costs now.
However, my primary consideration is what should I do know that will provide the best value NOW AND SERVE as a good basis for the anticipated future advances and availability.
I hope the above B&W table assists someone else as we make decisions. I look forward to reading viewpoints and experiences.
"Sniped stuff.
Take a look here, directron sometimes has some good deals. That's where I got my Abit KG7 Raid one for under $60 shipped.
http://www.directron.com/socketathlon.html
Take a look at the ones under $100. They have a few around $60 or so.
Newegg has some decent ones too. You can click the products, then AMD motherboards, then on the left hand side, tell it to give you all the motherboards under $70 or whatever your limit is.
And if you are going to pay $70 for a vid card, you might want to consider going up to $100 or so and getting a geforce 4 4200. (Avoid the geforce 4mx like the plague).
Oh, and check compgeeks they sometimes have good deals. Just read the description and see if its new or refurbbed.
Mobo page:http://www.compgeeks.com/products.asp?cat=MBB"
Thanks for the info!
You might be happy to know that I have been doing all that since the Summer and even had great email conversations with the man in England regarding his web site on the ABIT MB. As many here, I simply want the best bang for my buck now, but also for the foreseeable future (12 to 18 months).
So, if the AMD 1700 is a good CPU that will work for us during the next 12 months - great.
What I am looking at is that should I go ahead and buy a good (no refurbs for me at this time due to my experience, or lack thereof) motherboard like a KT400 or a nForce MB that should keep this rebuilt PC current for the next CPU purchase when the prices come down next year????
It becomes a decision between spending an extra $40 for a MB that could/would be better investment now than having to buy a new one 12 months from now just to keep semi-cuurent on speed, dependability, and quality.
The constants are: Case, Power Supply, CD drives, LAN card, Sound Card (?), Floppy Drive, Fans, and USB 2.0.
The primary variables are: video card, motherboard, and CPU.
So, if you go with a GeForce 4200 or the like, and only upgrade that when Radeon 9700's price drops (or the comparable GeF 4+ VC) to a similar cheap level we can find the GeForce 4200 (or the like at now), then the primary variables for consideration now are the CPU and the motherboard - right?
Decision Variations (estimated costs):
CPU Price MB Price Total Future Need Cost
1700 $51 KT266 $50 $101 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 kt333 75 126 CPU + MB Highest
1700 51 KT400 100 151 CPU Low
1700 51 nForce 110 161 CPU Lowest
2100 96 kt333 75 171 CPU + MB Highest
2100 96 kt400 100 196 CPU Low
2100 96 nForce 110 206 CPU Lowest
What do you all think?
Since we do not know what the future holds, as to prices and available technology (we can guess), we can make an estimate based on costs now.
However, my primary consideration is what should I do know that will provide the best value NOW AND SERVE as a good basis for the anticipated future advances and availability.
I hope the above B&W table assists someone else as we make decisions. I look forward to reading viewpoints and experiences.
I just put my order in for a 2100.
The invoice said it was a AXDA2100DLT3C
but the website lists it as 1.73GHz -OEM, AXDA2100DLT3C and Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C, with the "green" version showing up on the "show me" link.
If it's not the AXDA2100DUT3C it's going back...
AMD Athlon XP 2100+/266 FSB Thorougbred Processor CPU 2100+/ 1.73GHz -OEM, AXDA2100DLT3C
The Ultimate Digital Media Experience in an x86 Platform.Tailored for Microsoft® Windows® XP. Featuring QuantiSpeed Architecture for Rapid Execution of Applications. Tomorrow?s Technology Today.The Power of a Reliable Partner.
Specifications:
CPU: 1.73 GHz
Type: 2100 XP
Cache: 256K
BUS: 266MHz
Micron: .13
Socket A (PGA) OEM (Processor Only) Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C -OEM Special Free FedEx Saver Shipping
- Product Link -See It!
The invoice said it was a AXDA2100DLT3C
but the website lists it as 1.73GHz -OEM, AXDA2100DLT3C and Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C, with the "green" version showing up on the "show me" link.
If it's not the AXDA2100DUT3C it's going back...
AMD Athlon XP 2100+/266 FSB Thorougbred Processor CPU 2100+/ 1.73GHz -OEM, AXDA2100DLT3C
The Ultimate Digital Media Experience in an x86 Platform.Tailored for Microsoft® Windows® XP. Featuring QuantiSpeed Architecture for Rapid Execution of Applications. Tomorrow?s Technology Today.The Power of a Reliable Partner.
Specifications:
CPU: 1.73 GHz
Type: 2100 XP
Cache: 256K
BUS: 266MHz
Micron: .13
Socket A (PGA) OEM (Processor Only) Model#: AXDA2100DUT3C -OEM Special Free FedEx Saver Shipping
- Product Link -See It!
Two Quick Qs for the Techheads --
I wonder whether my Abit KR7A-133 will be able to bios unlock a Thouroughbred-B Athlon, like some other KT266A boards such as the Epox 8KHA. I have yet to see any reports... But if not, can the chip be unlocked manually with the pencil trick or some other fancy trick?
Also, Thouroughbred-B generates relatively less heat then the Thouroughbred-A would that temperature improvement allow one to use a lower rated CFM HSF(heat sink & fan) than typically used with the Thouroughbred-A?
Cheers!
I wonder whether my Abit KR7A-133 will be able to bios unlock a Thouroughbred-B Athlon, like some other KT266A boards such as the Epox 8KHA. I have yet to see any reports... But if not, can the chip be unlocked manually with the pencil trick or some other fancy trick?
Also, Thouroughbred-B generates relatively less heat then the Thouroughbred-A would that temperature improvement allow one to use a lower rated CFM HSF(heat sink & fan) than typically used with the Thouroughbred-A?
Cheers!
VirtualLarry
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You're so right. I have an MSI KT4V-L board, Via KT400/8235 chipset, built-in Via/Realtek NIC, I haven't been able to get more than 300KB/s out of it. I mean, it connects, and it does work, sort of. But performance is much worse than a half-duplex 10bT ISA NE2000 NIC. I plug in my DEC/Intel 21143-based NIC, I can get 5MB/s easy. This is all between a pair of W2K machines on a local LAN, with a LinkSys 5-port 10/100 switch between then.
If the performance of on-board LAN is going to be this poor, then why even bother??? Save the $0.50 the PHY chip costs to put on the board. What a waste of board space.
From the Anandtech preview of the NForce 2:
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression the MAC was either Nvidia's own or a 3COM, and the only thing Realtek provided was the physical interface for the cable... Could someone clarify this...?
Dave
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression the MAC was either Nvidia's own or a 3COM, and the only thing Realtek provided was the physical interface for the cable... Could someone clarify this...?
Dave
Please keep up updated on the results of your T'bred 1700 B orders, folks. I would like to know exactly how many of these chips being shipped are actually b revisions, or if it's a mixed bag before I order.
Also to bump a previous question...all OEM T'breds are factory unlocked, yes?
Thanks.
Also to bump a previous question...all OEM T'breds are factory unlocked, yes?
Thanks.
hey all... nice find CHJF.
i may be off base but i went ahead and ordered this in hopes of doing this. as i said this my not be possible (if it's possible at all) on these slower clocked tbred (b's). if there are any engineering wizards any input as to whether or not this should be doable would be great as this would be an awesome little project. also, if anyone else had any plans on doing this mod would you please send a little detail regarding the diffuculty of a project like this. i was successful in at unlocking my current xp1500+ which runs effortlessly at 1.8ghz and up (highest i tried was like 1861mhz tho) this wasn't difficult to do as it only took about 2 or 3 attempts to get it fully unlocked. i am hoping this mod will be similar but havent read all of the article yet.
here's a snippet:
Hardware: AMD Athlon XP Mods for Fsb of 166Mhz and 220MHz
Posted on Tuesday, December 31 @ 13:14:23 CET by sensemann
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Modifying A 133 Fsb T-bred B Into 166 Fsb
We mentioned earlier that there differences between Barton and TBred-B in terms of their L12 bridges. The difference can also be seen with the Athlon XP 2700+ and 2800+, which share a 166MHz FSB. Would it be possible to go straight to a 166MHz FSB by changing the L12 bridges? We decided to test this with a TBred-B Athlon XP 2200+....
To reconnect the two severed L12 bridges, we will use the same method used to unlock the multiplier. Apply correction fluid to the gap in the second bridge from the right (the bridge we will attempt to connect), then tape the adjacent bridges to prevent short-circuiting. Then connect the bridges using a conductive silver pen. PC booted and the BIOS quite clearly shows a 166MHz FSB. A simple L12 connection to unlock 166MHz FSB speeds seems to be well worth the effort ? if you choose to unlock the multiplier, unlock this higher FSB setting as well to give a significant performance boost.
Source | neowin
anyone think they will give it a go?
i may be off base but i went ahead and ordered this in hopes of doing this. as i said this my not be possible (if it's possible at all) on these slower clocked tbred (b's). if there are any engineering wizards any input as to whether or not this should be doable would be great as this would be an awesome little project. also, if anyone else had any plans on doing this mod would you please send a little detail regarding the diffuculty of a project like this. i was successful in at unlocking my current xp1500+ which runs effortlessly at 1.8ghz and up (highest i tried was like 1861mhz tho) this wasn't difficult to do as it only took about 2 or 3 attempts to get it fully unlocked. i am hoping this mod will be similar but havent read all of the article yet.
here's a snippet:
Hardware: AMD Athlon XP Mods for Fsb of 166Mhz and 220MHz
Posted on Tuesday, December 31 @ 13:14:23 CET by sensemann
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Modifying A 133 Fsb T-bred B Into 166 Fsb
We mentioned earlier that there differences between Barton and TBred-B in terms of their L12 bridges. The difference can also be seen with the Athlon XP 2700+ and 2800+, which share a 166MHz FSB. Would it be possible to go straight to a 166MHz FSB by changing the L12 bridges? We decided to test this with a TBred-B Athlon XP 2200+....
To reconnect the two severed L12 bridges, we will use the same method used to unlock the multiplier. Apply correction fluid to the gap in the second bridge from the right (the bridge we will attempt to connect), then tape the adjacent bridges to prevent short-circuiting. Then connect the bridges using a conductive silver pen. PC booted and the BIOS quite clearly shows a 166MHz FSB. A simple L12 connection to unlock 166MHz FSB speeds seems to be well worth the effort ? if you choose to unlock the multiplier, unlock this higher FSB setting as well to give a significant performance boost.
Source | neowin
anyone think they will give it a go?
dude, it looks like about 2 people have gotten the B stepping chips... no one else has reported in. I ordered one, so come on and join the frenzy
Yah I came across a similar thread at Rage3D maybe? Anyways, I ordered a 2100+ early Friday morning b/c of the DUT3C pic, it'll be here on Monday. If it is indeed a
"B", I'm going to see what I can do without any mods first, if it falls short of expectations, more extreme measures may be necessary................
Chiz
Originally posted by: chizow
Yah I came across a similar thread at Rage3D maybe? Anyways, I ordered a 2100+ early Friday morning b/c of the DUT3C pic, it'll be here on Monday. If it is indeed a
"B", I'm going to see what I can do without any mods first, if it falls short of expectations, more extreme measures may be necessary................
Chiz
Chiz, so have you read up on this yet? it seems that it's all about the L12 bridges right? there was seemed to be an issue with the tbred processors they used to do the mods not accepting high FSB settings or something of that nature. did you read that part? it seemed as though they were saying this may be an issue with other tbreds as well - or was the HIGH FSB issue soley a problem with the tbreds that had been modded?
if it is/was an issue hopefully they got it fixed cause i am headed str8 for my magnifying glass when i get my 1700+ i just ordered :Q that's if we these 1700's are infact B version tbreds :Q
Chiz,
Update Report:
I am running my Epox 8K9A2+ at 13 x 145 = 1885 1.650vcore, with an Antec case with 3 fans blowing in, with a temperature of 89 degrees F on the diode with a new volcano 7+ at medium speed. My room temperature is 68-70 degrees F. My front side bus is limited, because I am running Crucial 2100 DDR. Hopefully, wife willing, I will be able to get XMS3500 in the future that will truly test this chip.
With all testing that I have done, I have been able to boot at a speed of 2.013Ghz. It booted in Windows with a 1.75V core voltage, and ran, but not too stable My Video card (PNY TI4200 64meg)need some tweaking lost the driver in windowXP some how?? Reinstalled and got it back. ( I couldn't play a complete session of Medal of Honor).
I wish you guys luck! I think this thoroughbred B is gonna be a winner!
CHJF
HEAT
Update Report:
I am running my Epox 8K9A2+ at 13 x 145 = 1885 1.650vcore, with an Antec case with 3 fans blowing in, with a temperature of 89 degrees F on the diode with a new volcano 7+ at medium speed. My room temperature is 68-70 degrees F. My front side bus is limited, because I am running Crucial 2100 DDR. Hopefully, wife willing, I will be able to get XMS3500 in the future that will truly test this chip.
With all testing that I have done, I have been able to boot at a speed of 2.013Ghz. It booted in Windows with a 1.75V core voltage, and ran, but not too stable My Video card (PNY TI4200 64meg)need some tweaking lost the driver in windowXP some how?? Reinstalled and got it back. ( I couldn't play a complete session of Medal of Honor).
I wish you guys luck! I think this thoroughbred B is gonna be a winner!
CHJF
HEAT
i think i'm gonna stop over at teh ocerclocking spot and see what they know about this... thanx some more CHJF - how hot would this be if this turns out to be a 166fsb :Q Tbred for $50 - W00T!!!
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