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VirtualLarry said:
Interesting though, building AM3/AM3+ boards. Maybe there will be a fire-sale on FX CPUs, I can't imagine building AM3 rigs with anything less these days, if you want them to remain even tangentally relevant.

But still, with Ryzen 2200G for only $99, and a B350 micro-ATX on sale for $60 or $70, what's the point of AM3 again? Like going back to High School in your 40s. Sure, maybe some people want to do that, but... for most, it makes no sense.

Edit: Well, it's got a real IDE port on it, maybe it will be useful for data-recovery firms, or DVR mfgs.
Onboard SATA is still SATAII though, worthless board in this day and age.
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This Gigabyte 78LMT board is their best-selling motherboard of all time, and their most important model, regardless how obsolete it has become today. There are bunch of people refuse to get into AM4 game. And FX-8350 can reach $5 ten years later.
 
kwalkingcraze said:
This Gigabyte 78LMT board is their best-selling motherboard of all time, and their most important model, regardless how obsolete it has become today. There are bunch of people refuse to get into AM4 game. And FX-8350 can reach $5 ten years later.
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That doesn't make any sense unless it is due to the high cost of new DDR4 memory.
 
kwalkingcraze said:
The legend lives on... 2018+ Gigabyte 78LMB-USB3 R2 AM3/AM3+ (just released) with Ryzen box packaging, this time with USB 3.1 port. I wonder whether this board works for Windows 10 this time?

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145049

Let's put in all the $5 Athlon II X2 220 2.8GHz out there, a few can be unlocked to quad-core from dual-core, and bus-overclock up to 3.5GHz. Life's good, right? No more DDR4 price worry.

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Few things:
1) it is just USB 3.0. If you read the specs it says "USB 3.1 Gen 1" which is a marketing-liar speak for USB 3.0. In any case, just 5 Gb/s instead of 10 Gb/s, and no change compared to the older AM3+ boards.

2) You can't unlock most Athlon II X2 to four cores. The quadcore die used in X4 chips has 512KB L2 cache per core, while the dualcores used a different chip that had 1 MB L2 cache per core. Therefore, the quad die could not be used harvested in dualcore chips, just in tri-core versions. Unless you find some Athlon II X2 that has just 512KB caches, there is zero chance of unlock, the silicon has no more than two cores.

Wikipedia says there are some quad (Deneb/Propus) harvested quad chips in Athlon X2 5000+ and Athlon X2 5200+, but most Athlon II X2s are Regor chips with no chance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_X2_microprocessors#"Regor/Deneb"_(C2,_45_nm)
 
kwalkingcraze said:
As DDR4 RAM prices continue to go up unfavorably, switching back to old FM1 (or latest FM2+ platform) looks more ethical each day. 16GB DDR3 is only $80 used, while 16GB DDR4 will touch $220 new by late-2018. I only paid $85 for 16GB DDR4 back on November 2016, this was the last and final DDR4 RAMs I bought. I have not looked another since.
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My point though is that even with a really cheap CPU, you still need to have the ram, mobo, PSU, case etc. I get they can still get the job done. I have a 5800k and 6800k that are still fine for my media PC's BUT it doesn't make sense to buy older AMD cpu's for a new system even when really cheap because the total cost of the system is very similar to one that is much faster. It's better to find the ex lease PC that serves your need than try and make one yourself.
 
Jan Olšan said:
2) You can't unlock most Athlon II X2 to four cores. The quadcore die used in X4 chips has 512KB L2 cache per core, while the dualcores used a different chip that had 1 MB L2 cache per core. Therefore, the quad die could not be used harvested in dualcore chips, just in tri-core versions. Unless you find some Athlon II X2 that has just 512KB caches, there is zero chance of unlock, the silicon has no more than two cores.
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This is true, only about 20% of Athlon II X2 220 made use a quad-core die but with two cores disabled. Majority use Regor dual-core version.

A more efficient value is to get the Athlon X3 version (like Athlon 425) for just $10-$12 each. All of them has an additional one-core disabled.
 
NTMBK said:
Do you really want to use a 125W 8 core FX chip on a cheapo motherboard with 4+1 VRMs? That's just asking for overheating and trouble. Power hungry CPUs plus bargain bin motherboards is a bad combination.
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They do make some 95W FX CPUs, I believe, like the 8250E.
 
VirtualLarry said:
They do make some 95W FX CPUs, I believe, like the 8250E.
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FX-8320E and FX-8370E are the newest 95W FX CPUs. Since this new 2018 Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 R2 just came out, it will be in production until end of 2020 when all Windows 7 support ends. Imagine owning a new AM3+ in year 2020 with Sempron 145.
 
Larry, whats the point in this? a G3930 or A6-9500 will wipe the floor with that thing. And whiout using VLIW that was abandoned and may stop working as soon as Windows 10 changes the driver model again.
 
kwalkingcraze said:
FX-8320E and FX-8370E are the newest 95W FX CPUs. Since this new 2018 Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 R2 just came out, it will be in production until end of 2020 when all Windows 7 support ends. Imagine owning a new AM3+ in year 2020 with Sempron 145.
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I'm also running on a cheap 760g board. I think it could handle 125W CPU with occasional thermal throttling. But I picked a 95W FX 8300; great throughput for a sub $100 bargain chip http://pogs.theskynet.org/pogs/show_host_detail.php?hostid=824127

The 8370e looks very nice but the 8320e is just low quality binning http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare_CPUs/AMD_FD8300WMW8KHK,AMD_FD832EWMW8KHK/

78LMT-USB3 R2 looks like an awesome board. Unlike my cheap asus it has a sweet heatsink over the transistors. That should keep if from throttling chips like the 8350 or 8370 (and perhaps even some mild ~100mhz overclocking).
 
frozentundra123456 said:
You arent considering the cost of a windows license and a monitor. Larry, I am sure you probably have those on hand, but unless one does, the value proposition quickly goes out the door. And you are dealing with old hardware with I assume no warranty. Just doesnt make sense to me, except for the fun of tinkering with old hardware. Laptops are expensive now on Newegg, but if one watches carefully for sales, I think you should be able to get an i3 laptop for around 350.00 at Staples, Best Buy, or some other big box store. That makes a lot more sense to me, or even a chromebook for two hundred bucks for a "web browsing" machine.
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My laptop is now unusable thanks to a Windows Creators Update, nothing to do with the laptop, but now multiple features don't work. I'm scared of old parts now using Windows. So many issues I've read lately in conjunction with old hardware and new windows updates that simply aren't being supported because our products are "EOL".

Shivansps said:
Larry, whats the point in this? a G3930 or A6-9500 will wipe the floor with that thing. And whiout using VLIW that was abandoned and may stop working as soon as Windows 10 changes the driver model again.
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I'm so livid with Windows 10 now, it's causing me to upgrade things I don't need to upgrade because Windows is breaking how it works.

I'm pretty sure I HAVE to switch to linux on those boxes now. If it wasn't for gaming, I wouldn't even use Windows anymore now at this point. Gaming is all it has left.
I now understand the tech nerds of the world who say Windows pushed them away. Everything is now done on my linux server, nothing left for me here with how Windows wants to just throw away my perfectly good hardware.
 
ao_ika_red said:
Oh, hello fellow DC cruncher!
I think if you want to run a marathon project in BOINC or any DC platform, you better off with 8370e because it has lower TDP than any 4 module FX chip out there. But, as long as it's as cheap as dirt, I wouldn't mind.
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8370e is top binning and almost impossible to find. Newegg doesn't stock it; amazon has only one left; not cheap at all: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-FX-8370E-Processor-3300Mhz-FD8370EWHKBOX/dp/B00MUTW6F6/

8320e can be found for $100, and I bet for less on sale.
 
amd6502 said:
8370e is top binning and almost impossible to find. Newegg doesn't stock it; amazon has only one left; not cheap at all: https://www.amazon.com/AMD-FX-8370E-Processor-3300Mhz-FD8370EWHKBOX/dp/B00MUTW6F6/

8320e can be found for $100, and I bet for less on sale.
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I really hope those big etailer to dump it already, because at this point unless one already had am3+ ecosystem, nobody bother to look for it. Some store in my country already did that with Athlon chips (I got my 845 for less than $45), but they seem unwilling to do the same with FX chips.
 
Yeah, if I could pick up some 8-core FX CPUs, with 95W TDP or lower (do they make a lower one?), that would run in that new Gigabyte LM78 R2 board, for under $100, that would be sweet. I'd hook up a friend with that, that currently has a 4-core Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz CPU. I think that it would be a noticeable upgrade for them.
 
VirtualLarry said:
Yeah, if I could pick up some 8-core FX CPUs, with 95W TDP or lower (do they make a lower one?), that would run in that new Gigabyte LM78 R2 board, for under $100, that would be sweet. I'd hook up a friend with that, that currently has a 4-core Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz CPU. I think that it would be a noticeable upgrade for them.
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VirtualLarry said:
GIGABYTE GA-78LMT-USB3 R2
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145049
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I've got a buddy with an ASRock 780/785G board similar to this one, except Via audio, that's treated him well over the last ten years. I heard from his GF that his PC freezes up sometimes, though, and I wonder if it's the mobo or the SSD. (The PSU was replaced a few years back, after it didn't always want to turn on successfully, and sometimes there was a delay of up to 30 seconds between pushing the power button and seeing the beginning of POST.)

Was thinking of getting this board for my friend, if he does have mobo problems. It would also provide an upgrade possibility to an 8-core FX CPU. (His current board is an AM2+ board, and therefore wont take the AM3+ chips.)
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As far as 760g boards I think this one looks excellent and my guess is it will handle 125w FX chips fine with minimal throttling if case cooling is decent.

Two top candidates for a freezing ancient system like this are (in my opinion):

1. the onboard graphics unless it is disabled in bios setup screen and he is running a dGPU.
2. the board aging past usable life
3. the RAM aging past usable life

I would try to rule out 1. and 3. before replacing the board. Run memtest86 overnight and see if it's problem free. Also lower the RAM frequency to 1066 or 1333 (without changing XMP timings / XMP setting) and see if the sporadic freezes persist.

1. is very common in old OEM desktops, due to poor passive cooling on iGPU related chipset.
 
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I've discovered, I can get FX-8300 95W 3.3Ghz for $103 shipped on ebay, FX-8320 for $107 shipped, or FX-8350 for $127 shipped. I can also get FX-8320E for around $100 shipped new on ebay.

Which is better? The 95W FX-8320E, or the 125W FX-8350? The 8350 has a 4.0Ghz base clock, the 8320E only has like a 3.2Ghz base clock.
 
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