Newegg has refurb Llano A6-3600 FM1 APUs! (2.1/2.4Ghz, 65W, FM1)

[ao_ika_red]

In this case, the reasons why one should pick 8320e over 8350 are:
1. It's significantly cheaper than 8350.
2. User doesn't have proper board (lack of VRM cooling, small amount of power phase, etc)
3. User is doing 24/7 computing so he needs any power savings he can get.
4. User has a very old PSU.

 

[amd6502]

In this case, the reasons why one should pick 8320e over 8350 are:
1. It's significantly cheaper than 8350.
2. User doesn't have proper board (lack of VRM cooling, small amount of power phase, etc)
3. User is doing 24/7 computing so he needs any power savings he can get.
4. User has a very old PSU.

Definitely good arguments and exactly why I picked the significantly cheaper 8300 (on sale last Fall) over the 8350. Unlike the GA-78LMT-USB3 R2, my M5A78L-M+ doesn't have VRM heatsinks. Fan noise is more of an issue for me than PSU or the extra 30-35 watts ~ 24 kW hours per month savings (I'm pretty frugal about leaving desktops running for excessive hours, unless it's heating season).

I see all the newegg $100 8320e's coming out of China (presumably without coolers); I think a much better buy would be the 8300 which has a 4.2 boost frequency, the same TDP, and the same approximate cost ~$100:

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-8-Core-FX-8300-Processor-FD8300WMHKBOX/dp/B00TR8YL4W/

 

[ao_ika_red]

Some people would say buying anything from Bulldozer (or its derivatives) is a waste, but for me there's nothing such a bad purchase as long as it's priced right and already had the platform. It's even more sensible to push the platform now as DDR4 price is still insane atm.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Heck, I still have a bunch of 8320s chugging along just fine
(Fileservers, systems for folks / relatives, etc.)

 

[Abwx]

8370e is top binning and almost impossible to find. .

FWIW FX8300/8320E/8370E use something like 65-67W in regular MT loading and barely 80W with Prime 95.

FX8300 is better binned than the 8320E or the 8350, let alone compared to a 8320, actually the 8370E is better only frequency ceiling wise, it can clock higher but use the same voltage within the stock frequency range as the 8300, both these SKUs have the lower operating voltages within the FX 83xx line; the only downside is the relatively high idle power of the plateform with some chipsets..

As for usability they are still unrivaled when it comes to multitasking by any i5 even of the most recent gens, i would advise people who have such a set up to test the thing and throw a few apps simultaneously to check the thing, they will be surprised...

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Put it this way, the 8320 at stock is about on par with a highly OCed (4.8GHz) 2500K in Handbrake,
so it's definitely still a useful CPU.

Then again, some folks claim that anything less than a 5GHz 8700K might as well be a Zilog Z80

 

[Abwx]

Put it this way, the 8320 at stock is about on par with a highly OCed (4.8GHz) 2500K in Handbrake,

Even at stock it s better than a 2500K in encoding methink...

https://www.hardware.fr/articles/966-4/performances-applicatives.html

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Some people would say buying anything from Bulldozer (or its derivatives) is a waste, but for me there's nothing such a bad purchase as long as it's priced right and already had the platform. It's even more sensible to push the platform now as DDR4 price is still insane atm.

Indeed. There are no bad products, just bad pricing. FX's can still be worthwhile if you can find a good deal on one, and are already invested in the AM3+/DDR3 ecosystem.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Even at stock it s better than a 2500K in encoding methink...

Definitely! I was saying that it was about on par with a maxed out OC 2500K

 

[VirtualLarry]

So... I have an 990FX rig, which I believe takes AM3+ CPUs, that has a Phenom II X6 1045T 95W CPU in it, that was at one point overclocked, but the cooling fan died (and it still ran, at 80+C temps!), then I replaced it with a stock heatpipe HSF, and clocked it back down to stock. It's running a couple of 270X cards mining right now. (Not CPU mining, the client doesn't seem to recognize the Phenom II-era CPUs as mining-capable, unlike the Ryzen CPUs which ARE mining-capable.)

I could get an 8320E or 8350, for that rig, but I'm not sure that would even help much, unless I ran WCG on the FX CPU, while mining on GPUs.

I also have a friend, currently with an Athlon II X4 640, with 16GB of DDR2, as his main rig. He's using a 10-year-old ASRock AM2+ board, that thus far, has been holding up, though his GF hinted recent that he's been having some "computer freezes".

Was contemplating ordering one of those new Gigabyte 760G boards, the "R2", claims to support 125W CPUs, and has a heatsink over the primary VRMs. Then I would get an 8320E (95W) or an 8350 (4.0Ghz base clock, 125W), to drop in.

The idea behind that, and it's the same price as a Ryzen APU setup would cost me, would be to be able to just do a "hood ornament replacement", and plug his existing SSD with Windows 7 into the new rig, and hopefully re-activate and use it without having to re-install the OS.

Whereas, with the Ryzen APU, which would be an admittedly better solution overall, technologically, but it would likely require upgrading or a fresh install of Windows 10.

Or should I get one of these NV-chipset multi-way boards, AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+, that will take two of his existing DDR2-800 4GB DIMMs, and an FX 95W CPU, so that he doesn't have to get new DDR3 RAM? But then, I don't know if this mobo would be a drop-in replacement, going from an AMD 78x chipset to an NV chipset, which is probably also somewhat inferior. (Newegg reviews not so great.)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157581

 

[ao_ika_red]

I could get an 8320E or 8350, for that rig, but I'm not sure that would even help much, unless I ran WCG on the FX CPU, while mining on GPUs.

For your 990FX board, I believe whatever 83xx cpu would be a step up from your Phenom II. And it also supports AVX instruction, so it will be good for years to come. Just keep the rule of thumb, source it as cheap as possible.

Was contemplating ordering one of those new Gigabyte 760G boards, the "R2", claims to support 125W CPUs, and has a heatsink over the primary VRMs. Then I would get an 8320E (95W) or an 8350 (4.0Ghz base clock, 125W), to drop in.

For your friend I don't think it's a good idea for building him another old platform. We don't know what kind of issue that he may face in the future because some software may not support it anymore (760G graphic driver is pretty old and I believe even some internet browser won't support it due to lack of OpenCL or DirectCompute capability).

AM4 APU is the only sensible choice for him, even if it will cost him new OS but I'm sure he will be happy with the build for years to come.

 

[VirtualLarry]

For your friend I don't think it's a good idea for building him another old platform. We don't know what kind of issue that he may face in the future because some software may not support it anymore (760G graphic driver is pretty old and I believe even some internet browser won't support it due to lack of OpenCL or DirectCompute capability).

Oh, he hasn't been using the chipset IGP in a long, long time. When we tried it with Windows 7 (or was that XP? He originally had XP on that board), he was getting visible macroblock errors, when watching (HD) MPEG streams over the internet. Seemed like the chipset IGP had flaws in the video-decoding component(s). Or maybe the drivers, or Flash Player.

Regardless, he's had a lower-end NV card in there for some time, just doing it's thing, mostly just for video-decode functionality. I realize a Ryzen APU would be perfect for that, but I was thinking of updating his card to a GT730 GDDR5 1GB card. (Which, arguably, is probably lower-end than the Ryzen APU's 8 Vega CUs.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

I bought one of the Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 R2 boards, the new updated 760G board, AM3/AM3+, 4x DDR3 DIMM sockets, 125W TDP CPU support, heatsinks on the primary VRMs, seems like a decent little board.

I AM surprised, though, that they didn't add an additional USB3.0 controller, or use a 4-port controller chip, and offer a "Front USB3.0 header", which is conspicuously missing from this board, since nearly every other board, even entry-level Intel H110 boards have it, generally.

It's as if USB3.0 is some sort of "new thing", except, of course, it isn't.

Still, the back-panel USB3.0 will be useful, if nothing else, to run a USB3.0 extension cable to the top of the desk, where a USB3.0 self-powered hub will be plugged in.

Still has a southbridge-native IDE port, for those that care. (Data-recovery companies, mostly, I assume.)

 

[ao_ika_red]

Which cpu do you want to use, 8300 or 8320e?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I haven't decided yet. Earning money mining, slowly. Have to save up for a week to get anything.

There's a vendor on ebay, that has the FX-8300 for $103, FX-8320 (not E) for $107, and the FX-8350 for $127 or so.

Then I saw that there were some other vendors, advertising FX-8320E CPUs for under $100.

I was thinking of going either FX-8320E, or FX-8350, I haven't decided.

The FX-8350 is advertised as 4.0GHz base, 4.2Ghz Turbo, @ 125W TDP. Assuming that this motherboard can handle that, then that's probably what I would go with, even if it is $27 more expensive, and pushing the limits of the motherboard.

OTOH, would the mobo last 10 years or more, if I went with the 95W FX-8320E, and didn't overclock it? Versus, maybe 5 years with the FX-8350, if it is at the mobo limits?

Edit: Either way, not going to overclock an FX CPU on this lower-end 760G board. Too risky.

 

[ao_ika_red]

I believe even though your board supports 125W CPU, I don't think it will work very well. Like my board (A68h, FM2+), even though it supports 95W CPU (x4 860k), but it had hard time of sustaining the turbo, thus I replaced it with 65W CPU (x4 845) and now it runs at turbo 24/7. But still, 8350 has 4.0Ghz base clock which is 8320e's Turbo clock so if you're looking for pure performance at stock, you're better with the 8350.

 

[LTC8K6]

Been running a mildly overclocked FX-6300 on a 78LMT-USB3 board for a long time now. I haven't seen any problems.

Outlet PC has some good prices on FX chips.

https://www.outletpc.com/xt3562-fd8350frhkbox-amd-fx-8350-am3-vishera-processor.html?

 

[Abwx]

There's a vendor on ebay, that has the FX-8300 for $103, FX-8320 (not E) for $107, and the FX-8350 for $127 or so.

OTOH, would the mobo last 10 years or more, if I went with the 95W FX-8320E, and didn't overclock it? Versus, maybe 5 years with the FX-8350, if it is at the mobo limits?

Edit: Either way, not going to overclock an FX CPU on this lower-end 760G board. Too risky.

Ock or not i wouldnt advise using anything other than a 95W FX on those 760G MBs, thats not a matter of actual TDP as a 8350 doesnt get anywhere close to 125W unless it s Prime 95ed, but they certainly dont handle well the peak currents, indeed the E CPUs were specifically released for those boards, and still, AMD was very conservative for the actual TDPs.

Other than this the FX8300 is as lowly priced as 81€ in Germany, and that s with 19% VAT, i would imagine that it s the same in $ in the US...

 

[ao_ika_red]

Been running a mildly overclocked FX-6300 on a 78LMT-USB3 board for a long time now. I haven't seen any problems.

Outlet PC has some good prices on FX chips.

https://www.outletpc.com/xt3562-fd8350frhkbox-amd-fx-8350-am3-vishera-processor.html?

Could you share your experience on Larry's dedicated Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 R2 thread here? That would be helpful for those who needs the information.

 

[LTC8K6]

Could you share your experience on Larry's dedicated Gigabyte 78LMT-USB3 R2 thread here? That would be helpful for those who needs the information.

It's not the R2 board, though.

 

[ao_ika_red]

It's not the R2 board, though.

But I'm sure they had same crucial parts (VRM, power phase, etc) so it should be about the same.