Newegg has GTX 960's Listed and they start at $199!

[cmdrdredd]

AMD doesn't order developers to cripple performance on one brand's graohics cards because of partnership program. Go trolling somewhere else.

I think you completely missed the point. It was claimed the benchmark is Nvidia Bias but the game is part of AMD's partnership program. So if it's bias toward Nvidia, AMD failed their customers and wasted money supporting the development of the title.

 

[n0x1ous]

It would work fine with a 430W PSU, but I would say you'd be better off getting a GTX750Ti for an HTPC for $110. Unless you are gaming, I don't see why you need to spend $200 for an HTPC card

Actually its only redeeming quality would be for 4k htpc use since its the first gpu with full hardware h265 encode + decode.

For gaming......yawn

 

[cmdrdredd]

It used to be that the midrange release was much cheaper and equal performance to the previous high end release.

It is, the GTX 970 is the mid-range option now. GTX 960 is the current low end 900 series like it or not.

 

[JoeRambo]

Nvidia misread the market this time. While card is great feat on 28nm, Nvidia really tries to milk customers with 200$ pricing. At $150-160 it would be much more aligned to current situation as they are in market of AMD dumping almost 2x silicon, complex 512bit memory buses and 4GB of ram for ~250$ (can't be healthy for them).

 

[Erenhardt]

I think you completely missed the point. It was claimed the benchmark is Nvidia Bias but the game is part of AMD's partnership program. So if it's bias toward Nvidia, AMD failed their customers and wasted money supporting the development of the title.

How is amd helping develope a game for gamers to enjoy a waster of money? All gamers benefit. And nv gamers enjoy that their cards perform better in it.

Adding compute based lighting to the game to screw nv gamers would be too difficult, but that would be a waste - from our point of view.

AMD partnership program is aimed at gamers. Those who buy amd cards get to enjoy those games for free. Those who stick to nv can buy it and enjoy the games aswell.

nv partenrship program is aimed at amd gamers. Those who buy amd cards get only part (nv exclusive features) of the poor experience. They make extra effort to bring amd performance down a notch, to ensure amd gamers can buy nv card to enjoy the games.

If you fail to see a difference and which approach is waste of money, then I'm:
1. sorry for you,
or
2. not talking to someone doing his work here.

Pick your path ™

 

[Ketchup]

....I don't understand how this is relevant to a 960. If 660 is good enough for you, how does that come into play when discussing 960 vs. R9 290?

1) They are in the same class for their generations
2) I was responding to you (do you not like it when people do that?)

I would presume a budget gamer is going to keep his/her card for 1.5-2 years, no? ..

but I have had my 660 for close to 2.5 years

In reference to the 960, I see no reason why someone who wanted a card in that price range would not be quite happy with it for a couple years at least.

If one wanted to buy all the latest games and play them at 1080 with all the eye candy turned on for years to come, why would they buy a $200 card?

 

[cmdrdredd]

How is amd helping develope a game for gamers to enjoy a waster of money? All gamers benefit. And nv gamers enjoy that their cards perform better in it.

Adding compute based lighting to the game to screw nv gamers would be too difficult, but that would be a waste - from our point of view.

AMD partnership program is aimed at gamers. Those who buy amd cards get to enjoy those games for free. Those who stick to nv can buy it and enjoy the games aswell.

nv partenrship program is aimed at amd gamers. Those who buy amd cards get only part (nv exclusive features) of the poor experience. They make extra effort to bring amd performance down a notch, to ensure amd gamers can buy nv card to enjoy the games.

If you fail to see a difference and which approach is waste of money, then I'm:
1. sorry for you,
or
2. not talking to someone doing his work here.

Pick your path ™

The idea is you support development to get a leg up on your competition. You want the game to run best on your hardware. It doesn't. There's no benefit for AMD or Nvidia to spend money assisting development of a game if they don't have any advantages for their customers by doing so.

 

[Erenhardt]

The idea is you support development to get a leg up on your competition. You want the game to run best on your hardware. It doesn't.

It's obvious what color your glasses are here.

I see you enforce this approach

Lets overtassalate this block of concrete. We loose 10% performance, but the loose 40%. Net profit of 30% performance for us.

It is obvious you are not hardware enthusiast/gamer and don't belong here. I recommend looking for nvidia corporate/investor sub-forum if it exist.

 

[preslove]

It would work fine with a 430W PSU, but I would say you'd be better off getting a GTX750Ti for an HTPC for $110. Unless you are gaming, I don't see why you need to spend $200 for an HTPC card.

My i3-4150 alone is just fine for my HTPC uses. I'm going to wait on a deal for one (I'm happy with a ps3 and indie steam games on the HTPC, for now) and turn my HTPC into a budget gaming rig that plays ps4/x1 games at somewhat better quality than they do. I don't really care to be on the bleeding edge.

Power consumption is an issue, since my HTPC is on basically whenever I'm home.

 

[Ketchup]

My i3-4150 alone is just fine for my HTPC uses. I'm going to wait on a deal for one (I'm happy with a ps3 and indie steam games on the HTPC, for now) and turn my HTPC into a budget gaming rig that plays ps4/x1 games at somewhat better quality than they do. I don't really care to be on the bleeding edge.

Power consumption is an issue, since my HTPC is on basically whenever I'm home.

It will be interesting to see if the next AMD releases affect pricing on these.

 

[boozzer]

Official specs on this turd

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-960/specifications

turd is a very, very apt word for this crap. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[stahlhart]

And a very apt word for this thread as well.
-- stahlhart