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Newcastle754 VS Clawhammer754 VS Socket939 VS IntelEE VS What ever intel has to offer.

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kamranziadar

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I cannot believe what this review says, i was thinking more cache & dual channel memory is better but check this review and post your thoughts. It is in difference language but you will understand the results easily.
I am amazed how socket754 Newcastle 3400+ with 512kb cache beat the hell out of the others and match FX series and socket 939, and in some cases beats them all.

Benchmarks
 
that's because we're looking at the PR ratings, things are different if we look at the clock speed, where IPC increases a little for newer generations.
Because of the PR systems, socket 754's newcastle has higher price/performance ratio, but not much overclock rooms and future proof.
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
i was reading at newgg some people was able to overclock it upto 2.9GHZ
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Yea on phase, but then again I could get a P4 up to 5.5 on phase as well....
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Well guys have got FX-55's up to 4ghz....you only need a 3.6ghz AMD to equal it in approximate performance....I have seen many 3.4's and what not...not too many 5.5ghz workable P4s....

Do you need someone to shake your hand!!!😕
 
very few people run anything other than one benchmark at 3.6 on an FX and thats using a cascade or ln2. 5 on phase with an Intel can be done without a cascade. BTW, guess which chip holds the WR in SP1M?
 
if you don't belive me check newegg reviews people can easily with stock cooling can achieve 2.7 with 1.5 core, and by using XP-90 2.9GHZ. I just bought one at zipzoomfly i will post my results, but what do you guys think about the benchmarks, does any body have any other benchmarks. I also have Clawhammer i will compare both and see which one i will keep and which one i will sell.
 
A 3400 @ 2.9 is hard to believe. I can get to 2.6 on air at 1.6v which is very fast when benched against just about anything except the highest of the hi end machines. My 3400 might go to 2.7 with water but I have not gotten to water cooling it yet, maybe this summer. I can tell you that at 2.6 it runs neck and neck with the FX53 and a P4 at about 3.8 to 4Ghz depending on what you are doing. At 2.6 my rig is also fairly fast with video encoding and MP3 ripping and transcoding, easily beating the 3.4 Prescott I had before building the S754.
When compaired to the clawhammer 3400 at 2.2 Ghz the NewCastle 3400 easily beats it in pretty much any situation, the extra 512 of cache is not enough to over come the 200 Mhz of core clock. Since they both can OC decently I doubt the Claw would ever beat the NewCastle in anything. The adage about the Claw equaling the NC because of the extra cache appears bogus to me, my results indicate the NC is much faster, just as the linked article shows.
As far as comparing S754 and S939 I would buy a S754 unless you are going to do a hi end machine. I say this because the lower/mid speed 939's dont stand up against the 3400 very well. If you OC the 939 things get better but the 3400 can be OC'd also which puts the 3400 right back in front. Using "future upgrades" as a deciding factor is useless to me personaly. I dont keep motherboards more than 6 months to a year on average because theres always a new connecting technology like SATA2 right around the corner, not to mention the lack of DDR2 support in current 939 boards. There's no arguing that a hi end 939 rig is sweet, who wouldnt want a FX55 rig ? Unfortunately I dont see the cash in my wallet to blow on a FX55 so the 3400 S754 rig just makes a whole lot of sense. Next year Im sure DDR2 and DualCore A64's will reshape the whole landscape all over again...
 
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
if you don't belive me check newegg reviews people can easily with stock cooling can achieve 2.7 with 1.5 core, and by using XP-90 2.9GHZ. I just bought one at zipzoomfly i will post my results, but what do you guys think about the benchmarks, does any body have any other benchmarks. I also have Clawhammer i will compare both and see which one i will keep and which one i will sell.
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This NewEgg reviewer shows the validness of the claims people make on NewEgg reviews:

this thing IS WAY i mean way better than the 6800 ultra, it only takes one slot and i get 100 fps in cs s while at my friends house who was 6800 ultra only gets 80 fps. I actually bought two of these(one for one processor and one for the other) so here is my GAMING COMP!


2x Intel Xeon Processors
5x 2gb of ram= 10 gb
3x 400 gb = 1.2 terabytes
2x SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON X850 XT PE Video Card
2x Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pro PCI Sound Card
grand total of 10 Grand

http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=0&item=14-102-473

3rd post from the bottom.
 
Originally posted by: Soldier
A 3400 @ 2.9 is hard to believe. I can get to 2.6 on air at 1.6v which is very fast when benched against just about anything except the highest of the hi end machines. My 3400 might go to 2.7 with water but I have not gotten to water cooling it yet, maybe this summer. I can tell you that at 2.6 it runs neck and neck with the FX53 and a P4 at about 3.8 to 4Ghz depending on what you are doing. At 2.6 my rig is also fairly fast with video encoding and MP3 ripping and transcoding, easily beating the 3.4 Prescott I had before building the S754.
When compaired to the clawhammer 3400 at 2.2 Ghz the NewCastle 3400 easily beats it in pretty much any situation, the extra 512 of cache is not enough to over come the 200 Mhz of core clock. Since they both can OC decently I doubt the Claw would ever beat the NewCastle in anything. The adage about the Claw equaling the NC because of the extra cache appears bogus to me, my results indicate the NC is much faster, just as the linked article shows.
As far as comparing S754 and S939 I would buy a S754 unless you are going to do a hi end machine. I say this because the lower/mid speed 939's dont stand up against the 3400 very well. If you OC the 939 things get better but the 3400 can be OC'd also which puts the 3400 right back in front. Using "future upgrades" as a deciding factor is useless to me personaly. I dont keep motherboards more than 6 months to a year on average because theres always a new connecting technology like SATA2 right around the corner, not to mention the lack of DDR2 support in current 939 boards. There's no arguing that a hi end 939 rig is sweet, who wouldnt want a FX55 rig ? Unfortunately I dont see the cash in my wallet to blow on a FX55 so the 3400 S754 rig just makes a whole lot of sense. Next year Im sure DDR2 and DualCore A64's will reshape the whole landscape all over again...
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You better lower your core voltage to 1.5v i red that some body was having difficulty overclocking it above 2.6 with 1.7v, but when he lowered the voltage to default 1.5 he was able to pass 2.7, so try that you might have a luck. Well i believe it can overclock at around 2.7ghz easily, in order to do that make sure you don;t pass 2000mhz Hypertransport speed, so lower you HT speed & memory divider to 600 / .8 in the bios and overclock it more so it can go around 2.9ghz.
 
Do you mean 2.9ghz on water? That would be an awesome overclock! 2.4 maybe if your lucky 2.5 is about par for the course for a newcastle on air.
 
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
i was reading at newgg some people was able to overclock it upto 2.9GHZ
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Yea on phase, but then again I could get a P4 up to 5.5 on phase as well....
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I call BS. Do it, prove it, or go away. I am so sick of your Intel fanboy crap....
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
i was reading at newgg some people was able to overclock it upto 2.9GHZ
Click to expand...

Yea on phase, but then again I could get a P4 up to 5.5 on phase as well....
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I call BS. Do it, prove it, or go away. I am so sick of your Intel fanboy crap....
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You better mind your language before i shot you in your caty ass. Well i will sure try it i just bought 2.4 Newcastle it should be hear next week i will definately try that. But in the mean time you better keep your kandy ass away.
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
i was reading at newgg some people was able to overclock it upto 2.9GHZ
Click to expand...

Yea on phase, but then again I could get a P4 up to 5.5 on phase as well....
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I call BS. Do it, prove it, or go away. I am so sick of your Intel fanboy crap....
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Prove that you can get a P4 up to 5.5GHz of Phase?
Super Overclocker Fugger from Xtremesystems.org broke the World Record for overclocking a pentium 4 with phase change cooling when he hit 6.3GHz. Fugger is using a DFI 875P-T motherboard and Centons part # C2x512PC3200LL .
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That's world champion overclocker, and 800MHz over what you asked for.
I'm sure other people could hit 5.5GHz on phase.
If you mean the post about "reading" about people getting 2.9GHz on air, well, that's reading, and what he was reading doesn't have to be true, he just said he was reading it.
 
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: Markfw900
Originally posted by: Sentential
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
i was reading at newgg some people was able to overclock it upto 2.9GHZ
Click to expand...

Yea on phase, but then again I could get a P4 up to 5.5 on phase as well....
Click to expand...

I call BS. Do it, prove it, or go away. I am so sick of your Intel fanboy crap....
Click to expand...

Prove that you can get a P4 up to 5.5GHz of Phase?
Super Overclocker Fugger from Xtremesystems.org broke the World Record for overclocking a pentium 4 with phase change cooling when he hit 6.3GHz. Fugger is using a DFI 875P-T motherboard and Centons part # C2x512PC3200LL .
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That's world champion overclocker, and 800MHz over what you asked for.
I'm sure other people could hit 5.5GHz on phase.
If you mean the post about "reading" about people getting 2.9GHz on air, well, that's reading, and what he was reading doesn't have to be true, he just said he was reading it.
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thanx for some information, and giving some more proof.
 
I have actually heard of a few people taking some of the ORIGINAL clawhammer (C0) cores beyong 2.6ghz and into the 2.9ghz range, it's rare, but some of them will do it. Some can amazingly accomplish it with water/xp-120, others with phase. All I know is I need a new mobo before an OCing attempt as this one doesn't lock the busses and I wanna see how far this baby will go (3400+ C0 Clawhammer with 1mb cache)

And yes the clawhammer chicps are funny about their voltage, sometimes people get higher OC's with less voltage then they were originally trying.
 
We are talking about Newcastle not Clawhammer. In my signature i have Clawhammer it can go upto 2.29, with default vcore, because my MSI motherboard does not allow me to change the VCORE, that is why i did not overclocked it more. But at this speed it shows same result as 2.6ghz Opetron in Sandra2005 & 3.6ghz Pentium 4. But i just bought a new socket754 ASUS motherboard with Newcastle 3400+ 2.4ghz with 512kb cache i will get them this coming monday or tuesday so i will try to overclock it as much as i could with my new XP-90.
 
Originally posted by: kamranziadar
But i just bought a new socket754 ASUS motherboard with Newcastle 3400+ 2.4ghz with 512kb cache i will get them this coming monday or tuesday so i will try to overclock it as much as i could with my new XP-90.
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Tell us how you made out overclocking on the NewCastle. Some CPU-Z screenies would be great...

 
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