Newark, NJ requiring restaurants hire armed guards.

[Scotteq]

IMO the problem in Newark isn't really money. If you drive around there you will see plenty of police, they just don't do all that much. The problem is that there is no political will to get tough on crime. If they wanted a Guliani style crackdown to clean things up it would likely work, they just don't want it.

Really???


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/union_head_expects_167_newark.html

 

[Blackjack200]

If our homicide rate was caused by availability of guns then states with less strict guns laws would have higher homicide rates.

In reality (apparently you don't live there), places with stricter gun laws often have higher homicide rates. See Washington DC, which was a gun free utopia that had a murder rate 10x higher than some states that had minimal gun control laws.

This.

Well, this, or maybe guns are sold legally in states with lax gun laws and make their way to states with the stricter laws? If there were strong national gun laws, that would be a different story.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Really???


http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/union_head_expects_167_newark.html

Yes. Newark has one police officer for every 215 residents. NYC has one officer for every 240 residents. My source is the 2009 FBI unified crime report.

 

[D-Man]

What do you expect when you have crazy gun laws?

Yep we need to make a new law to be sure the armed criminals follow the standing gun laws

 

[hal2kilo]

This.

Well, this, or maybe guns are sold legally in states with lax gun laws and make their way to states with the stricter laws? If there were strong national gun laws, that would be a different story.

Maybe something to do with Virginia being across the Potomac from D.C.?

No metal detectors on the bridges.

 

[1prophet]

According to Baraka, the chicken shacks and pizza joints that stay open late do little to serve the community and encourage crime.

What's next tell women that they shouldn't dress provocatively or be home before dark because it might encourage rape?

 

[Schadenfroh]

I was being sarcastic about the black people thing.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence/factsethnicity

African-American children and teens are almost five times as likely as their white peers to be killed by firearms
...
84 percent of African-American gun deaths were from homicide
...
68 percent of Hispanic-American gun deaths were from homicide
...
80 percent of gun deaths among Whites were from suicide

Obviously there is a statistically significant difference here. It likely follows poverty as many African American communities are suffering from being a generation or two removed from segregation and inadequate education. I suspect that this difference among racial groups in America will equalize in several generations.

 

[JD50]

Rocksteady got pwned twice, like I said, stick to Australian politics.

 

[dmcowen674]

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/07/newark_city_council_approves_l.html

As of now, the ordinance would affect only those places that serve fewer than 20 people. Larger, sit-down restaurants would not be affected.


If the eateries cannot provide the guards, they will be forced to close during the night-time hours.

About time - have any of you been in that hell hole?

You would understand if you have.

 

[Lurknomore]

Bahh- the act of staying late, trying to run your business so people can have a bite to eat ENCOURAGES crime and doesn't help the community?? WTF? Hey councilman, it's your shitty city with crime laden demographics that COMMITS the crimes, which certainly doesn't help the community. The eateries don't encourage anything- blame the victims much? And with rates, what $30-$45/hr for armed guards from what I've heard, that'll kill the bottom line.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

New Jersey is one of the top 5 most restrictive states in the country. The laws here are written so that all firearms are illegal always... with exceptions, such as: With a Permit (even for long guns). On your property or for the purpose of transporting DIRECTLY (emphasis mine) to/from the Range or approved Hunting area, or to move house. In which case, you must have separate, locked containers for the weapon and it's ammunition; and those containers are not supposed to be accessible to the driver/passenger compartment of your vehicle. There is no Rifle hunting at all in NJ (Shotgun or Bow only).

Handguns are severely restricted. Carry permits are technically obtainable, but the law is written to require 'demonstrable need' as agreed to by the Chief of Police and/or the Superior Court of your area. So in practice it amounts to an outright ban on carry permits for anyone who isn't VERY rich and Politically connected, already Law Enforcement/Prosecutor's Office, or otherwise required to carry for the employment (security guard or armored car). Also - The last I checked NJ also does not grant Reciprocity to any other state's permits.


NJ has issues because large parts of the state are sh*tholes. Not because of it's Firearms laws.



{edit} By the way: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1736501,00.html According to TIME magazine, your gun laws have had little effect on violence.

We had strict ownership laws before 1996.

That article just proves that going from 'stict gun laws' to 'crazy strict guns laws' wont save many lives.

Which I'd agree with.

But you guys have a system where you can go to a gun show and buy guns without a background check and shit.

Crazyness.

 

[Zorkorist]

Bahh- the act of staying late, trying to run your business so people can have a bite to eat ENCOURAGES crime and doesn't help the community?? WTF? Hey councilman, it's your shitty city with crime laden demographics that COMMITS the crimes, which certainly doesn't help the community. The eateries don't encourage anything- blame the victims much? And with rates, what $30-$45/hr for armed guards from what I've heard, that'll kill the bottom line.

Good post.

It's only one more intrusion, by Government, into ordinary citizens lives.

-John

 

[Jadow]

We had strict ownership laws before 1996.

That article just proves that going from 'stict gun laws' to 'crazy strict guns laws' wont save many lives.

Which I'd agree with.

But you guys have a system where you can go to a gun show and buy guns without a background check and shit.

Crazyness.

what's crazy is that they have like a 6 dollar admission fee to get into the show now.

 

[fascino]

Did i miss something? Armed guards in the store are not law enforcement, the only thing he can do is protect the store from being robbed. Unless N.J. is giving special status to Security guards, they can't go into the street to uphold city laws. One other thing I noticed there is no talk about the problems happening inside any of these restaurants. Why doesn't the city just hire a bunch of off duty rent-a-cops (ie. mall guards) to roam the streets?

 

[werepossum]

I'm pretty sure the late night fast food joints do serve the community. Businesses don't stay open unless they are making money, and they don't make money unless someone is buying, and people don't buy from businesses unless they want to do so. It's not like these places stay open for the pleasure of getting robbed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Did i miss something? Armed guards in the store are not law enforcement, the only thing he can do is protect the store from being robbed. Unless N.J. is giving special status to Security guards, they can't go into the street to uphold city laws. One other thing I noticed there is no talk about the problems happening inside any of these restaurants. Why doesn't the city just hire a bunch of off duty rent-a-cops (ie. mall guards) to roam the streets?

With what money?

Why should taxpayers pay for the business owners security problems inside their establishments?

 

[dmcowen674]

How about not making it so hard to own a gun. Seems the only ones running around with guns really don't care about the law.

Exactly

This and Chicago are perfect examples of when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

 

[waggy]

Exactly

This and Chicago are perfect examples of when you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

yeap. not allowing guns into Chicago sure did make it a safe city!

 

[Jaskalas]

I've an idea.

Instead of guns, 'arm' every citizen with a mobile phone or tablet that records video straight to the internet. Make it so that no crime is possible in public without it becoming a permanent video record for police to identify and lock away the criminals.

This concept will completely change society by the end of this decade. First the technology will become widespread, then it'll begin to be used, and finally the criminals will realize what little chance they have of getting away.

Continuing at our current pace (no societal collapse) this paradigm shift is imminent.