New York Times: Donald Trump reports $916 million loss in 1995

[chowderhead]

I believe the news is covered by such items because they are news worthy. The person leaking the document may have committed a crime but I heard if its something they do for their job like a Trump accountant they may not have committed a crime. The second question is a tough one because it really depends how they acquired the document.

There is some speculation that Marla Maples, Trump's second wife, may have leaked the tax returns.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/is-marla-maples-the-trump-tax-return-leaker.html
If so, since she was a co-signer of the tax returns, it's possible that she could release them without any criminal issues.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There is some speculation that Marla Maples, Trump's second wife, may have leaked the tax returns.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/is-marla-maples-the-trump-tax-return-leaker.html
If so, since she was a co-signer of the tax returns, it's possible that she could release them without any criminal issues.

also appears to be some rumors, most likely bs, about drumpf daughter tiffany and the one who leaked the tax returns. I really doubt it, but what the hell, I'll throw my beanie into the conspiracy ring.

 

[Thump553]

If NYT didn't print them, they would be on WikiLeaks anyways. Assange is desperate to show he is not a Trump shill.

You have it slightly mixed up. Assange is a Putin shill-pure and simple-he is working for his safe haven residence. Trump is just the patsy Putin is playing in US politics-Putin can and will throw him under the bus at any time.

The real October surprise is probably still to come from Assange and it will be directed at Clinton, not Trump.

 

[flexy]

Yes, correct, the "Silicon Valley Left" are not innocent. I am not supporting Google, Apple etc. stashing profits and evading taxes either.
But it's different when those guys do it for profit, or a candidate does it WHILE AT THE SAME TIME pretending to condemn it to catch votes.

You don't see the hypocrisy Trump saying that "it has to stop" that large corporates dodge taxes and fuck over the "little man", and that he, he alone is the one who will change this? The guy pretending to be "against the establishment" for the little guy while acting EXACTLY like the epitome of the elite/establishment.

And why..the fuck, again, do "we" need to explain this to his supporters? It's really as if you guys just LOVE be ***ed in the ass and vote for him because of it...otherwise this eludes any logic.

 

[Jhhnn]

There is some speculation that Marla Maples, Trump's second wife, may have leaked the tax returns.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/is-marla-maples-the-trump-tax-return-leaker.html
If so, since she was a co-signer of the tax returns, it's possible that she could release them without any criminal issues.

According to the NYT, the postmark indicates that the letter was mailed from Trump Towers. I doubt that Maples was anywhere near the place when the letter was sent.

 

[Jhhnn]

also appears to be some rumors, most likely bs, about drumpf daughter tiffany and the one who leaked the tax returns. I really doubt it, but what the hell, I'll throw my beanie into the conspiracy ring.

I doubt she'd have access to any of Trump's records. It doesn't matter who leaked them, anyway, given that Trump has not disputed their veracity.

 

[alien42]

According to the NYT, the postmark indicates that the letter was mailed from Trump Towers. I doubt that Maples was anywhere near the place when the letter was sent.

the Times article said the postmark indicated they had been sent from NYC, the return address was Trump Towers.

 

[theeedude]

Again, ask the silicon valley left backing Hillary to pay their share then
Double Irish Deception: How Google—Apple—Facebook Avoid Paying Taxes
https://visualeconomics.creditloan....how-google-apple-facebook-avoid-paying-taxes/

The hypocrisy is as always..expected
The New York Times Paid No Taxes in 2014
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/10/02/new-york-times-paid-no-taxes-2014/

New York Times Publishes Donald Trump's Tax Records | True News
Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMiRZ3L_hMU

And no, I'm not impressed by people paying taxes on bribes.


And to bring up the real question, if the left is always bleeting about taxes...
Why does Big Business back the Left?
Freedom Alternative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wj8SDS75RU

Peter Thiel and Palmer Luckey of Facebook are backing Trump. So get off your high horse.

 

[lopri]

Again, ask the silicon valley left backing Hillary to pay their share then
Double Irish Deception: How Google—Apple—Facebook Avoid Paying Taxes
https://visualeconomics.creditloan....how-google-apple-facebook-avoid-paying-taxes/

The hypocrisy is as always..expected
The New York Times Paid No Taxes in 2014
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/10/02/new-york-times-paid-no-taxes-2014/

New York Times Publishes Donald Trump's Tax Records | True News
Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMiRZ3L_hMU

And no, I'm not impressed by people paying taxes on bribes.


And to bring up the real question, if the left is always bleeting about taxes...
Why does Big Business back the Left?
Freedom Alternative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wj8SDS75RU

I have not followed the links you provided, not because I simply discredit them but because most of your rebuttals are answerable without references.

1) I have nothing nice to say about any silicon valley corporation that evades taxation. I welcome journalists exposing their tax evasion game. We are in agreement.

2) It is not a secret that print newspapers have lost their once strong readership due to the emergence of Internet-based media. Many newspapers and magazines went out of business. If you follow the U.S. politics you probably read NYT in one way or another, and have first-hand knowledge of how they went through trials-and-errors to balance between profit and readership management. It is entirely understandable that newspapers were unable to produce profits at one point during/before their transition to the Internet. But here, again, I would welcome any revelation of systemic tax abuse by any major news corporation. Another factor to keep in mind is that is NYT's owners are not running to be president, and there is a wall between business mangement and editorial writers (however infirm that wall may be), and finally the NYT is "the Press" with guaranteed right (and obligation) to speak out for and against whatever issue they see fit. Thus that NYT had an unclean hand, even if it does, would have no bearings on Trump's merit on taxes.

3) You are presumably insinuating Clinton's speech fees as bribes? I was not impressed by those, either, but at least she did not hide it. Her earnings and tax payments throughout her public life are transparent as an open book.

4) You are repeating the points you made in 1). I do not know why some big businesses support leftist causes (do you know why?), but let me remind you that there are a lot more big businesses on the right. See Chamber of Commerce. See also the Koch's. Leftist businesses are downright tiny in comparison to them. Their reason for the supporting the GOP is rather easy to understand, but I do not think they want to advertise it this year. Their relative public silence is telling.

Ultimately, the Donald Duck can release his returns since then and make all this go away. Or not. If it is the latter I see no reason why anyone should give him a benefit of doubt at this point. Would you trust him with your retirement savings?

P.S. Keep an eye on those who defend the Duck because they think he "merely took advantage of " what the law offered. I think it is a matter of time before the Duck's illegal - criminal - dealings are exposed. I want to see their faces when that happens.

 

[DrDoug]

A 94 year old comedian weighs in on Trump now bragging about not paying taxes:

How many patriotic, weajthy Anericans do you know who are proud that they are brilliant enough to avoid paying any income tax—ever?

— carl reiner (@carlreiner) October 4, 2016

Are there any others than Trump bragging about not paying taxes? Not that I know of.

Aside: damn, I'm glad to hear the old man is still plugging along! I grew up watching him and his shows on TV.

 

[sportage]

If not paying taxes is smart and something to be proud of i.e. the qualifier, then the following must be also be true.

 

[nageov3t]

I doubt she'd have access to any of Trump's records. It doesn't matter who leaked them, anyway, given that Trump has not disputed their veracity.

these were Maples tax returns too (she was married to Trump at the time and her name is on the forms), so it *would* make sense for her to have them, especially if they were part of the divorce proceedings.

could also have been one of his kids, though... there have been a couple stories recently about how Trump's kids are concerned over the impact his Presidential bid is having on their businesses. the kind of people mobilized by Trump's racist rhetoric aren't necessarily the type who'd be shopping for multi-million dollar luxury condos.

 

[cubby1223]

A 94 year old comedian weighs in on Trump now bragging about not paying taxes:

"How many patriotic, weajthy Anericans do you know who are proud that they are brilliant enough to avoid paying any income tax—ever?

— carl reiner (@carlreiner) October 4, 2016"

Are there any others than Trump bragging about not paying taxes? Not that I know of.

Aside: damn, I'm glad to hear the old man is still plugging along! I grew up watching him and his shows on TV.

So Carl Reiner jumps to the conclusion that Trump has never paid income taxes ever in his life. Gotta love the f**king intelligence of Twitter News Corp.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So Carl Reiner jumps to the conclusion that Trump has never paid income taxes ever in his life. Gotta love the f**king intelligence of Twitter News Corp.

People have said Trump has never paid taxes, really smart people have said it. I trust really smart people some have said Trump has never paid taxes. You have to ask yourself why Trump is acting so suspicious about his taxes.

This would be much simpler if Trump just released his taxes like every other modern candidate has.

 

[emperus]

Trump really plays on the uneducated among us. He wants everyone to forget he spent a huge amount of time railing against corporations and Americans who didn't pay taxes (Amazon, 50% of Americans). But when he gets caught, he's brilliant for it? Ok.

"This is owned as a toy by Jeff Bezos who controls Amazon," Trump told Hannity. "Amazon is getting away with murder tax-wise. He's using the Washington Post for power so that the politicians in Washington don't tax Amazon like they should be taxed."
http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/13/technology/donald-trump-jeff-bezos-amazon/index.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump really plays on the uneducated among us. He wants everyone to forget he spent a huge amount of time railing against corporations and Americans who didn't pay taxes (Amazon, 50% of Americans). But when he gets caught, he's brilliant for it? Ok.

Trump has the best chutzpah.

 

[cubby1223]

People have said Trump has never paid taxes, really smart people have said it. I trust really smart people some have said Trump has never paid taxes. You have to ask yourself why Trump is acting so suspicious about his taxes.

This would be much simpler if Trump just released his taxes like every other modern candidate has.

Last Presidential election cycle, remember it was Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid who stood on the floor of the senate and said an anonymous source informed him Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years. And it was a gigantic lie told to help Obama win the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/

So when you say "People have said Trump has never paid taxes" that holds no credibility. When you try to then say he's never paid taxes, that's just upping the ante of stupidity.

Has Trump done a lot to pay as little taxes as possible? Sure. Has Trump never paid taxes ever? You are a f**king gullible moron if you believe that without proof. It's on the same level of "If you don't produce your birth certificate, how can we be certain you were born in the U.S."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Last Presidential election cycle, remember it was Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid who stood on the floor of the senate and said an anonymous source informed him Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years. And it was a gigantic lie told to help Obama win the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/

So when you say "People have said Trump has never paid taxes" that holds no credibility. When you try to then say he's never paid taxes, that's just upping the ante of stupidity.

Has Trump done a lot to pay as little taxes as possible? Sure. Has Trump never paid taxes ever? You are a f**king gullible moron if you believe that without proof. It's on the same level of "If you don't produce your birth certificate, how can we be certain you were born in the U.S."

Someone missed the humor regarding innuendo and Trump.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Last Presidential election cycle, remember it was Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid who stood on the floor of the senate and said an anonymous source informed him Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years. And it was a gigantic lie told to help Obama win the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/

So when you say "People have said Trump has never paid taxes" that holds no credibility. When you try to then say he's never paid taxes, that's just upping the ante of stupidity.

Has Trump done a lot to pay as little taxes as possible? Sure. Has Trump never paid taxes ever? You are a f**king gullible moron if you believe that without proof. It's on the same level of "If you don't produce your birth certificate, how can we be certain you were born in the U.S."

Apples and oranges my friend.

Right now there is information that has just been made available to the public that shows actual figures as to how Trump could have viably avoided personal income taxes. While it is speculative it's not just grabbed from thin air. He took steps that would make it highly likely he avoided taxes by declaring the NOL. Unless you think he declared personal income far and above the almost $1B loss I would comfortably wager it is incredibly unlikely he didn't use it to offset his income year after year.

 

[agent00f]

Their campaign doesn't exactly deny it. I mean, he literally said it was smart on national tv.

 

[zinfamous]

Last Presidential election cycle, remember it was Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid who stood on the floor of the senate and said an anonymous source informed him Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years. And it was a gigantic lie told to help Obama win the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/

So when you say "People have said Trump has never paid taxes" that holds no credibility. When you try to then say he's never paid taxes, that's just upping the ante of stupidity.

Has Trump done a lot to pay as little taxes as possible? Sure. Has Trump never paid taxes ever? You are a f**king gullible moron if you believe that without proof. It's on the same level of "If you don't produce your birth certificate, how can we be certain you were born in the U.S."

despite actually having newly-released tax documents that show an unprecedented level of failure in business for Trump, thus allowing him the clear opportunity to claim nearly 2 decades-worth of zero tax burden if he so chooses (lol--you are, in the same breath, supporting the notion that Trump takes any break necessary to minimize his tax burden, yet you won't accept that he will choose zero tax burden when given the chance--until we have proof!--yes, you are a tool), on top of knowing full well that he paid no taxes for 2-3 years in the 70s, due to documents made available through depositions....you are still attempting to give the benefit of the doubt to a known liar, thief, and pig of a human that they would willingly pay out shit tons of money out of the kindness of their heart.

sure, buddy.

 

[agent00f]

despite actually having newly-released tax documents that show an unprecedented level of failure in business for Trump, thus allowing him the clear opportunity to claim nearly 2 decades-worth of zero tax burden if he so chooses (lol--you are, in the same breath, supporting the notion that Trump takes any break necessary to minimize his tax burden, yet you won't accept that he will choose zero tax burden when given the chance--until we have proof!--yes, you are a tool), on top of knowing full well that he paid no taxes for 2-3 years in the 70s, due to documents made available through depositions....you are still attempting to give the benefit of the doubt to a known liar, thief, and pig of a human that they would willingly pay out shit tons of money out of the kindness of their heart.

sure, buddy.

Liberals are the real birthers.

 

[hal2kilo]

Last Presidential election cycle, remember it was Sen. Majority leader Harry Reid who stood on the floor of the senate and said an anonymous source informed him Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for 10 years. And it was a gigantic lie told to help Obama win the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry/

So when you say "People have said Trump has never paid taxes" that holds no credibility. When you try to then say he's never paid taxes, that's just upping the ante of stupidity.

Has Trump done a lot to pay as little taxes as possible? Sure. Has Trump never paid taxes ever? You are a f**king gullible moron if you believe that without proof. It's on the same level of "If you don't produce your birth certificate, how can we be certain you were born in the U.S."

Just use your own Trump logic:
Harry Reid did the American voting public a favor by shaming Romney. Harry Reid is the hero for forcing Romney to produce his tax returns. Just like Trump made Obama show us his birth certificate.

So, where's the problem? Am I doing this right?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Just use your own Trump logic:
Harry Reid did the American voting public a favor by shaming Romney. Harry Reid is the hero for forcing Romney to produce his tax returns. Just like Trump made Obama show us his birth certificate.

So, where's the problem? Am I doing this right?

Haha GENIUS!

 

[shira]

The thing that astonishes me, about those who support Trump and say they're not concerned that he won't release his tax returns, is that these same people generally accept Trump's allegations that a major source of the Clintons' income since Bill left office - Wall Street speaking fees, fully documented is the Clintons' tax returns - calls into question Hillary's ability to be independent from the influence of Wall Street. Yet isn't it interesting that these same Trump supporters also accept Trump's "there's nothing of interest in them" dismissal of requests for his own tax returns.

The point is, how can Trump supporters possibly know that Trump isn't up to his ears in "entanglements" over his own sources of income if he refuses to release his tax returns, and why is this fact so unimportant to them?