New York State Senate passes same sex marriage bill.e

[Newbian]

I wonder how long until the government simply makes it a country wide law seeing how much it's costing each state to pass and not only would it remove this cost but the income of all the weddings for each state instead of just a few would help fund a lot of income for people.

Not to mention the cost for divorce lawyers later on.

 

[Gooberlx2]

50% of NY churches are Catholic - and many are now full of illegal immigrants to boot. The Catholic Churches are not independent and cant do what the Pope wouldn't. Immigrants and blacks are the most against homosexual joints to start out with. NY is a victory now - won't be in long term.


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Uh...I wasn't asking about minority statistics, or the obvious fact that the Catholic church will oppose marrying gay couples.

The way you phrased your first post made it sound like the bill addressed the issue of religion and churches, specifically.

Does anyone have a link to the actual text of the bill? My google-Fu is failing me tonight.

 

[Newbian]

They made it illegal for churches to refuse marriage services for instance if a interracial couple are getting married.

It was like that awhile ago but how long until a similar law works it's way for gay marriage is my question?

Obviously over time they will allow it since the church will accept it like they have done for other stuff but I doubt it would become a common practice in our lifetime sadly, especially how some are always very slow to accept the norm of life.

 

[Newbian]

I'm not going to pretend that I'm personaly thrilled over this but I'm also not going to say I have the right to tell a gay person they can't be married. To each his own I say.

What I will do though is comment on the whole "religion" side of this. If the state must recognize the rights of homosexuals to marry then it must also recognize the rights of the churches who do not want this to happen there.

Seperation of church and state does not just mean that government can't pass laws that support a religion. It also means that government can't pass laws that interfere with a religions practises. In fact some would argue that is all it means.

Then explain how they passed a law making it illegal to refuse interracial marriages?

Discrimination is still discrimination and will win out in the end over religion as has been proven in cases where some churches still try to prevent these marriages and end up loosing.

 

[RisenZealot]

Then explain how they passed a law making it illegal to refuse interracial marriages?

Discrimination is still discrimination and will win out in the end over religion as has been proven in cases where some churches still try to prevent these marriages and end up loosing.

Well I can't speak for all religions but in the case of Christianity I can say w/o a shadow of a doubt interracial marriage is not wrong. Should be obvious to anyone who claims to be a Christian seing as how Moses had an Ethiopian wife lol.

Secondly even if some do discriminate on that there is nothing in the Christian bible to justify it. So yes you are correct they could pass law. Homosexuality though is an entirely different subject as it is clearly against the majority of Christian religions. Therefore this bill that passed can not force a church to marry a gay couple.

Disagree with me if you will but the fact that the bill itself states this shows I am correct.

Note I am not saying it is RIGHT for churches to do this, I'm simply saying it is their right to refuse based on religious beliefs. You do not have to like it, just like they do not have to like homosexuality.

 

[RisenZealot]

Forgot to mention your point about discrimination winning out over religion isn't really true alot of times.

Wasn't one of the last few major rulings of the Supreme Court about a very similar issue? The right of the Westeros Baptist Church to protest funerals of fallen soldiers b/c their religeous belief that God is punishing them for our country supporting homosexuality? I believe it was. Sorry but your thought while right some of the time is wrong a majority of the time.

The Supreme Court itself is on my side with this one

 

[dmcowen674]

Sounds wrong.

They should have never passed this.

You have become the anti-American Anti Gay minority as you should.

Shame on America for taking this long to stand up for "Unalienable rights" and "the pursuit of happiness for all".

 

[RisenZealot]

You have become the anti-American Anti Gay minority as you should.

Shame on America for taking this long to stand up for "Unalienable rights" and "the pursuit of happiness for all".

LOL at "the pursuit of happiness for all" and marriage!
I guess you do have em on the "Unalienable rights" though!

Oh hey another point on the whole discrimination wins against religion. Sorry I can't help myself it's just so fun proving the dude who quoted me wrong

Some would say catholics descriminate against women and their right to chose since they are against abortion. Guess what though? Not one single Catholic hospital has to have anything to do with abortion or any other form of family planning. Know why? It is against their religion that's why

I can keep these examples coming if need be.

Again I'd just like to state for the record I'm not saying these things are good, I'm simply saying it's their constitutional rights.

 

[Newbian]

The bible changes over time just as laws do and it will change with this.

The bible was for slavery at times and was against interracial marriages and now it's not.

Guess what's next.

Discrimination is still discrimination and just because it says it's not allowed in the book it will not win in the end as it has not won in these cases.

 

[Doppel]

I wish they'd pass it across the country so the gay movement can fvck off with getting the rest of us into their issue already. I mean I really don't care either way, this is an irrelevant issue to virtually everybody but has been made "important" through constant bickering between gays and people who hardly seem like they should care. We have more pressing issues, don't we?

 

[classy]

Good for New York!

They got #6 because Arnold Schwarzeneggar, that defender of marriage from gays demeaning it, vetoed a bill to end discrimination twice.

Hopefully the federal lawsuit will make this the law across the nation.

Laughable.........

Our newly embraced future...............just wanna vomit

 

[zsdersw]

The only people who have a justification for being upset about this are the people who want their religious beliefs imposed through government and law.

In no state where gay marriage, civil unions, or domestic partnerships are allowed are churches or other religious institutions forced to perform or condone these arrangements.. and this law for NY doesn't change that.

This is about government's role in marriage, not religion's. If government is to have a role in marriage at all (which I'm of the belief that it shouldn't) then its role must be in service of all citizens, not just those of one sexual orientation.

The only conservative justification for any government role in marriage is to recognize and incentivize beneficial relationships.

If you don't think a monogamous relationship.. of either the homo- or hetero-sexual variety.. is beneficial to society, you're an idiot.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Laughable.........

Our newly embraced future...............just wanna vomit

Other than a hatred for a huge group of people how does this impact you in any way. Are you afraid you're going to catch gay? Do you think gays are now going to come to your house and make you watch?

Same sex marriage has been legal here in Ontario, Canada for over ten years and civilization has not collapsed. Schools aren't turning kids gay. It has no impact to anyone anywhere other than those people who share a love for each other and want to unite that love. I have many gay friends. I have many who are married, will be getting married and believe me they don't give a shit about any aspect of this other than being able to share something the religious right wants to tell them they can't. It's not an in your face look at us issue for the gay community. It's a do t look at us any differently than anyone else.

 

[a777pilot]

As a sovereign State, they can pass anything they want but it is not marriage.

 

[Brainonska511]

As a sovereign State, they can pass anything they want but it is not marriage.

Do you tell that to husband and wife that get married by a county clerk? After all, that's also only a civil affair, only under the eyes of the State.

 

[Craig234]

I wish they'd pass it across the country so the gay movement can fvck off with getting the rest of us into their issue already. I mean I really don't care either way, this is an irrelevant issue to virtually everybody but has been made "important" through constant bickering between gays and people who hardly seem like they should care. We have more pressing issues, don't we?

Not really, no. The fact you "don't care" means you are fine with people being denied their civil rights. You wouldn't mind being told you are not allowed to marry, eh?

Maybe you "don't care" about slavery, either -same logic - you just want the anti-slavery movement to 'F off' without getting the rest of us into their issue already.

 

[Craig234]

just wanna vomit

Your bigotry has that effect on decent people.

It would be amusing if it weren't so ugly and immoral, how you don't realize how identical you are to guys who wore white hoods and told each other how subhuman blacks are.

You don't understand that most whites used to feel the same way about swimming in the same pool with blacks, about drinking from the same water fountain as blacks, about sitting next to blacks, that you do about gays.

"just wanna vomit". There's a reason they passed segregation laws and rioted against black rights - they were like you.

You aren't evolved enough to understand you can feel disgust at the idea of homosexual sex, repulsed by homosexual men - and yet they are equal people deserving equal rights.

 

[MotF Bane]

Does a black person being against giving equal rights to gays count as irony?

I think so.

 

[slackerinabox]

Not really, no. The fact you "don't care" means you are fine with people being denied their civil rights. You wouldn't mind being told you are not allowed to marry, eh?

Maybe you "don't care" about slavery, either -same logic - you just want the anti-slavery movement to 'F off' without getting the rest of us into their issue already.

Lifelong New Yorker here absolutely proud of NY and proud of the forum members here, actually- 5 years ago a thread similar to this would have been far less enlightened. Sure, there's some remnant bigotry but the vast majority have evolved. The country's changing for the better - w00t!

 

[a777pilot]

Do you tell that to husband and wife that get married by a county clerk? After all, that's also only a civil affair, only under the eyes of the State.

Marriage is a religious and/or a civil union of one man and one woman.

They can say they are "married" but they are not. They can say they are pilots, but they are not. They can say they are brain surgeons, but they are not. Words have meaning.

I have no problem with a State sanctioned civil union that has as a legal function the same rights and privileges of a real marriage but please don't insult us by calling it a marriage. It is not.

Words have meaning.

 

[a777pilot]

Does a black person being against giving equal rights to gays count as irony?

I think so.

"Black" is not a choice.

 

[nageov3t]

Marriage is a religious and/or a civil union of one man and one woman.

They can say they are "married" but they are not. They can say they are pilots, but they are not. They can say they are brain surgeons, but they are not. Words have meaning.

I have no problem with a State sanctioned civil union that has as a legal function the same rights and privileges of a real marriage but please don't insult us by calling it a marriage. It is not.

Words have meaning.

can we assume that you're a follower of "traditional" marriage and all 10 of your brides were sold to you by their father at the age of 13?

 

[classy]

Your bigotry has that effect on decent people.

It would be amusing if it weren't so ugly and immoral, how you don't realize how identical you are to guys who wore white hoods and told each other how subhuman blacks are.

You don't understand that most whites used to feel the same way about swimming in the same pool with blacks, about drinking from the same water fountain as blacks, about sitting next to blacks, that you do about gays.

"just wanna vomit". There's a reason they passed segregation laws and rioted against black rights - they were like you.

You aren't evolved enough to understand you can feel disgust at the idea of homosexual sex, repulsed by homosexual men - and yet they are equal people deserving equal rights.

The KKK used our skin color against us to promote their agenda and you do the exact same thing. You are the same POS bigot just like they are. Your only argument is based on someone's skin color to support your agenda. What's laughable is you think you are on some higher plane, but you are not. You are exactly the same, just in different clothes.

PS: Should I use only male pics to make you feel more comfortable.

 

[umbrella39]

"Black" is not a choice.

Neither is "Asshole" apparently...

Have a Nice Day

 

[Craig234]

"Black" is not a choice.

Neither is "gay". But so what if they were?

If people could choose their race and their sexual orientation, would it suddenly be ok to say they can't marry, to deny their civil rights?

"You can't sit in the front of the bus, black man - you made your choice to be black! You can't get married, gay man - you made your choice to be gay!"