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New York City, the nation's 51st state?

New Yorkers will probably support it. I hear they don't want to be associated with the folks from upstate NY 😉
 
Simply put, Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. argues, the city pays $3.5 billion more to the state in taxes than it gets in return and can't afford it anymore.
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I'd actually like to see some documentation of this.
 
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
But what will it be called?
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"New New York", duh.
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😉
 
How many stats is NYC more populous than? All but,

California
Florida
Michigan
Texas
Illinois
Ohio
New Jersey

???
 
Originally posted by: Kevin
It should but it won't. I can see everyone's point though, the State really rapes us...
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I am 'not' trying to start a debate here, but could you tell me how NYC is shortchanged by the State?

 
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
I am willing to bet that up state NY would be glad to see NYC cut lose.
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too true,i think we send more tax $$ to NY chity than gets spent in 90% of the rest of NY State.

i liked the movie with Kurt Russel. escape ftom NY. build a wall around it,,, lol 😉

but the NY Yankees,and Mets,are at least still in NY,
unlike the Giants,and jets {New jersy giants and jets, 🙁}
 
CNN is about a month late. There was an article in the Times about this last month.

Here is the breakdown for you non New Yorkers: NYC is an economic crisis. We don't have money for schools, firemen, etc. Subways just raised from 1.50 to 2.00 and that was just to make sure they broke even. Bloomberg had to lay off police and firefighters a couple weeks ago because the city simply does not have enough money. Sales tax is going to be raised from 8.25 to either 8.50 or 8.75. Property taxes have already been raised through the roof. People who live in New York City pay 3.5 billion more in State taxes than the State gives back in funding.

About the secession: It sounds crazy and it is, but it would clearly help out the city. Even if the city voted for it, it would never happen. Why the hell would a Republican controlled Congress want to let a liberal city become a State (besides the rediculous precidence it sets) and guarantee two Democrats into the Senate (House representation obviously wouldn't change). Even if one of the two currently controlled New York seats that are held by Dems went Rep, it still wouldn't be worth it for the GOP.

BTW - I do not support any type of secession, but I do support New York State getting their sh*t in line and helping us out.
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
CNN is about a month late. There was an article in the Times about this last month.

Here is the breakdown for you non New Yorkers: NYC is an economic crisis. We don't have money for schools, firemen, etc. Subways just raised from 1.50 to 2.00 and that was just to make sure they broke even. Bloomberg had to lay off police and firefighters a couple weeks ago because the city simply does not have enough money. Sales tax is going to be raised from 8.25 to either 8.50 or 8.75. Property taxes have already been raised through the roof.

About the secession: It sounds crazy and it is, but it would clearly help out the city. Even if the city voted for it, it would never happen. Why the hell would a Republican controlled Congress want to let a liberal city and guarantee two Democrats into the Senate (House representation obviously wouldn't change). Even if one of the two currently controlled New York seats that are held by Dems went Rep, it still wouldn't be worth it for the GOP.
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Why doesn't Bloomburg just lower taxes. That seems to be his people's panacea for everything!
 
psh. Cambridge, MA does that whole secession thing every year, too. and Vermont wants to become its own country. bleh.
 
Bloomberg is raising taxes through the roof to try and weather this storm. His approval ratings are down the tube, but its the best he can do. He came in at a horrible time.
 
Would be nice if NYC broke off from the rest of NY, maybe the taxes for the rest of NY could then go down to a reasonable level.
 
Originally posted by: NakaNaka
CNN is about a month late. There was an article in the Times about this last month.

Here is the breakdown for you non New Yorkers: NYC is an economic crisis. We don't have money for schools, firemen, etc. Subways just raised from 1.50 to 2.00 and that was just to make sure they broke even. Bloomberg had to lay off police and firefighters a couple weeks ago because the city simply does not have enough money. Sales tax is going to be raised from 8.25 to either 8.50 or 8.75. Property taxes have already been raised through the roof. People who live in New York City pay 3.5 billion more in State taxes than the State gives back in funding.

About the secession: It sounds crazy and it is, but it would clearly help out the city. Even if the city voted for it, it would never happen. Why the hell would a Republican controlled Congress want to let a liberal city become a State (besides the rediculous precidence it sets) and guarantee two Democrats into the Senate (House representation obviously wouldn't change). Even if one of the two currently controlled New York seats that are held by Dems went Rep, it still wouldn't be worth it for the GOP.

BTW - I do not support any type of secession, but I do support New York State getting their sh*t in line and helping us out.
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i dunno... sure rudy giuliani is only on this side of the line between republican and democrat but i'm sure he would win one of the senators from NYC if he were to run and such a position existed
 
ElFenix - Actually, I thought he was going to run for VP in 2004, before Cheney announced he would. Yes, he has serious family issues, and an Italien-American being elected to national office would be suprising, but he is hailed as a hero through most of the country.

Oh and while I'm sure he would be elected to Mayor again in 2005 (city law allows him to run), before 9/11 he was not that popular. He had serious police brutality and black issues.
 
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