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new york city... full body xray scanners.. yep it's real.

Yeah, awesome. I don't understand how this shit gets by the courts. This and their stop and frisk bullshit are pretty clear violations of the 4th Amendment. I really can't wrap my mind around how that city gets away with this kind of shit.
 
Nintendesert said:
Yeah, awesome. I don't understand how this shit gets by the courts. This and their stop and frisk bullshit are pretty clear violations of the 4th Amendment. I really can't wrap my mind around how that city gets away with this kind of shit.
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Yep, I'm with you. NYC does whatever the hell it wants apparently.
 
Nintendesert said:
Yeah, awesome. I don't understand how this shit gets by the courts. This and their stop and frisk bullshit are pretty clear violations of the 4th Amendment. I really can't wrap my mind around how that city gets away with this kind of shit.
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As soon as the nypd arrest someone from illegally packing... And this person has the means to defend themselves in court... I don't see how it would stand up.

Is this something that is used at random or just something that is used after the popo witness a crime?
 
Public interest > personal interest.

Without the public and its machinations we would not exist = see Somalia, no leadership and a nation at violence.

If personal interest trumps public interest we can expect to be a Somalia in the very near future.

Ask what you can do for your country, and put your country first, second and third.
 
momeNt said:
Public interest > personal interest.

Without the public and its machinations we would not exist = see Somalia, no leadership and a nation at violence.

If personal interest trumps public interest we can expect to be a Somalia in the very near future.

Ask what you can do for your country, and put your country first, second and third.
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This is more the fundamental issue than you may know.
 
You know, I get that NYC has been through a lot and they are a huge target, but the L.E. authorities there are losing it. I don't throw around the term "police state" that often, but when so many officials are so bent on security at the expense of liberty and common sense, it's going in a dangerous direction. And I'm not just saying that because their top cops are gun control nutters.
 
So is it x-ray? (doubt it) It looks to be infrared and can detect heat differences. Subjecting an unknowing person to a radiation dose sounds like a recipe for a huge lawsuit.
 
momeNt said:
Public interest > personal interest.

Without the public and its machinations we would not exist = see Somalia, no leadership and a nation at violence.

If personal interest trumps public interest we can expect to be a Somalia in the very near future.

Ask what you can do for your country, and put your country first, second and third.
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It goes the other way too. What if you were born in North Korea?

There has to be a balance between public interest and personal interest and the balance is shifting wayyyy too far to public interest to such an extent that it is getting ridiculous IE flirting the constitution and frivolous laws, like the soda ban.

Take public interest to infinity. Instead of food stamps it would be better to place the unproductive in concrete prison camps. There ya go, perfect world order.
 
cwjerome said:
You know, I get that NYC has been through a lot and they are a huge target, but the L.E. authorities there are losing it. I don't throw around the term "police state" that often, but when so many officials are so bent on security at the expense of liberty and common sense, it's going in a dangerous direction. And I'm not just saying that because their top cops are gun control nutters.
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Yea agree.
 
Jaskalas said:
LOL, Republicans who help them achieve it.

Secession can't come fast enough.
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Don't get me wrong, Republicans would love to do this sort of thing. But given the propensity for Democrats to whine about the Republican fascists and the evils of the violent right wing, why do these kind of Orwellian scenarios always seem to happen in Democrat strongholds first?
 
BoberFett said:
Don't get me wrong, Republicans would love to do this sort of thing. But given the propensity for Democrats to whine about the Republican fascists and the evils of the violent right wing, why do these kind of Orwellian scenarios always seem to happen in Democrat strongholds first?
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Authoritarianism is found in all sides especially for those who have a vested interest in expanding the size and scope of government in order to retain and hold political power by offering up a false sense of "hope and change" and free ride at other people's expense/liberty.


Thus Libertarianism is the best and only cure for those seeking freedom from these people.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Authoritarianism is found in all sides especially for those who have a vested interest in expanding the size and scope of government in order to retain and hold political power by offering up a false sense of "hope and change" and free ride at other people's expense/liberty.


Thus Libertarianism is the best and only cure for those seeking freedom from these people.
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Libertarianism being a mental illness is the only thing Republicans and Democrats can actually agree on.

United against freedom both parties stand.
 
OverVolt said:
Well you sure pulled a 180 there.
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My previous post was simply characterizing NYC's argument. I don't subscribe to NYC's way of thinking. I'd prefer a complete anarchy as government has proven itself time and again to be completely inept.
 
zanejohnson said:
and on the street..

this is craziness if you know anything at all.. just letting everyone know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58icxdTpkSg
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You realize x-ray scanning would require a target on the other side? This is essentially a more targeted type of infrared imaging device. Something law enforcement has had for years.

If they try to use this without having already stopped someone for reasonable suspicion then it will get struck down in court. This is a smaller example of the supreme court ruling on the infrared search of someone's house to find weed growing operations, Kyllo vs US, which said it's banned by the fourth.

Honestly OP please fix the thread title, it's completely disingenuous. Not that I think random thermal imaging without probable cause is a good thing or legal, but this is a RT article which is a toilet of a news agency so I'm not even sure they plan on doing that.
 
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Nintendesert said:
Yeah, awesome. I don't understand how this shit gets by the courts. This and their stop and frisk bullshit are pretty clear violations of the 4th Amendment. I really can't wrap my mind around how that city gets away with this kind of shit.
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It has not gotten by the courts, there are multiple cases challenging the legality of the law.
Courts Putting Stop-and-Frisk Policy on Trial
As to how the city gets away with it that is due to politicians ignoring their oath to uphold the Constitution that they all take when sworn into office. They are supposed to not pass laws they suspect will not stand up to Constitutional challenges yet they do so because it helps them politically and if a court eventually overturns the law years later they can then demonize the courts. It is a game played across the entire political spectrum whenever that pesky Constitution gets in the way of momentary political demands.
 
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