New Xbox could be in development.

[purbeast0]

Because that where the market is...?

Consoles are flooded by a billion shooters from hundreds of studios. In PC gaming, there is 1 player, DICE.

Wait til BF3, PC gaming is back baby.

if the only reason is because consoles are flooded with them, then why does cod sell much more on consoles than on pc? how about battlefield?

i wasnt referring to the TOTAL number of ALL shooters on console vs pc ... was talking about the same game on both platforms.

 

[chalmers]

People that buy and play a 360 expecting amazing graphics for a sustainable amount of time are kidding themselves. They're nice at first, then keep up to due developers becoming more proficient with coding, then being to look their age a bit. That doesn't make them 'crap'...they just are what they are. Don't expect the world, especially at this stage in the life cycle. When I want to play more seriously and with more cutting edge graphics, I play on my PC. When I just want to run around killing shit and blowing stuff up, not worrying about the graphics as much, I play the 360.

 

[Zargon]

Nope, no crack has been smoked.



Who said a P4 keeps up clock for clock? My point is if that's all you use it for you don't need an upgrade, but you use your PC for much more than that so you choose to upgrade. I didn't say it was the optimum setup, but for the "casual" PC user a P4 would still be fine.

I use a P4 every day at work all day, and every once in a while we go to Flash heavy websites and Excel spreadsheets. It works just fine for those.

in your opinion

I have cycled out more a few P4's due to complains of them being way to goddamn slow(for general office apps/browsing)

I'm glad they are good enough for you, but they arent for most in my experience

 

[chalmers]

if the only reason is because consoles are flooded with them, then why does cod sell much more on consoles than on pc? how about battlefield?

i wasnt referring to the TOTAL number of ALL shooters on console vs pc ... was talking about the same game on both platforms.

Same answer as I had for you before. I can think of many instances where an inferior product outsells higher quality competition in life. Appealing to the lowest common denominator sells in our society.

 

[purbeast0]

Same answer as I had for you before. I can think of many instances where an inferior product outsells higher quality competition in life. Appealing to the lowest common denominator sells in our society.

yes, and therefore, the shooters are being made for consoles then ported to pc ...

somebody said that shooters aren't made for consoles, and i was telling them yes infact they are.

 

[Pheran]

Here's a recent article where Epic Games shows a demo of what they expect next-gen console graphics to be capable of. This demo was rendered by 3 GTX580 cards in a triple-SLI configuration, but that might be a realistic level of graphics performance for the next-gen consoles since they are still years away.

Direct YouTube Link

EDIT: Better YouTube Version

This second version looks like the actual video, not a secondhand capture.

 

[Irrational_]

Here's a recent article where Epic Games shows a demo of what they expect next-gen console graphics to be capable of. This demo was rendered by 3 GTX580 cards in a triple-SLI configuration, but that might be a realistic level of graphics performance for the next-gen consoles since they are still years away.

Direct YouTube Link

EDIT: Better YouTube Version

This second version looks like the actual video, not a secondhand capture.

3 580's? God damned.

 

[JackSpadesSI]

None of what you listed makes the 360 either "GARBAGE" or "total crap".

For a start the fact that the 360 was released without an HD-DVD drive was a smart one because it would have made the console far too expensive at launch. There really isn't much of an issue with games being released on one or two DVD discs.

I didn't say "garbage" (let alone with obnoxious all-caps). Don't misquote me. I call it crap in context. If you just want a console that can get by with putting an image on your 720p (or SD, even) TV so you can play some sort of awful WWII shooter, then it would be wrong to call the Xbox 360 crap. I want a console that can be a comprehensive media experience: stunning graphics during gameplay, play HD movies, and replace my need for a dedicated DVR. While I freely admit the DVR aspect may be too much to ask for from a console, the other two shouldn't be.

The only smart thing about using DVD over HD-DVD was that HD-DVD lost out, and Microsoft avoided being stuck with dead technology (of course, who is to say that it would have lost if it was built into the Xbox 360, but that's a different topic). Not including a Blu-ray drive hurts for two reasons: it loses that selling point to Sony, and all games sold for Xbox 360 are limited in size by DVD-9. Think how much bigger game worlds would be if programmers weren't limited by DVD-9 storage capacity?

 

[purbeast0]

I didn't say "garbage" (let alone with obnoxious all-caps). Don't misquote me. I call it crap in context. If you just want a console that can get by with putting an image on your 720p (or SD, even) TV so you can play some sort of awful WWII shooter, then it would be wrong to call the Xbox 360 crap. I want a console that can be a comprehensive media experience: stunning graphics during gameplay, play HD movies, and replace my need for a dedicated DVR. While I freely admit the DVR aspect may be too much to ask for from a console, the other two shouldn't be.

The only smart thing about using DVD over HD-DVD was that HD-DVD lost out, and Microsoft avoided being stuck with dead technology (of course, who is to say that it would have lost if it was built into the Xbox 360, but that's a different topic). Not including a Blu-ray drive hurts for two reasons: it loses that selling point to Sony, and all games sold for Xbox 360 are limited in size by DVD-9. Think how much bigger game worlds would be if programmers weren't limited by DVD-9 storage capacity?

you can very easily use 2 discs if the space is not big enough.

on top of that, many of the PS3 exclusives that are over 10gb in size use the extra space for duplicate data because the read time on bluray is pretty slow. killzone 3 was like 45gb, but once i saw the language selections being like 20 or so to choose from, i then understood why it was 45gb.

space on the media is far from being a limiting factor imo.

 

[PimpJuice]

No, I’m not a moron. The Xbox 360 is crap for more reasons than its graphical shortcomings:

Microsoft’s choice for a long Xbox 360 lifecycle caused stupid mistakes to hinder gaming for a long time. For instance, the Xbox 360 was released with a DVD drive because Microsoft was hesitant to back Sony’s Blu-ray technology (for obvious reasons). While somewhat understandable for 2005, that choice means that all current games must fit onto one (or sometimes two) DVD-9s.

The Xbox 360 is also currently limited to a 250 GB hard drive, which is really terrible for any sort of serious media use. I admit that that is excessive for saved games, and even Xbox Live Arcade games, but as Microsoft wants this to me a media device, it is limiting. It also took WAY too long to get from the original 20 GB to a 250 GB hard drive.

Finally, I think a true “media box” in 2011 should have DVR functionality. That one may just be me, but I think this holds the Xbox 360 back from being a truly useful entertainment box in 2011.

1) I've never bought a game that uses more than 2 discs on the xbox. You're reaching for an argument here. Not to mention the already stated price benefits from not including it. It seems to have worked out well for them.

2) 250 is plenty for me, and I can stream whatever I want through media center from any other pc in the house therefore I have as much hard drive space as I want.

3) I thought we were arguing about gaming? Who cares about what a true "media box" should have? Anyways, I have a PC that gives me DVR functionality. I'd rather my xbox not have DVR functionality cause that would require all kinds of price increases to have the hardware to record and play games at the same time.

If these are your main arguments, then yes you are still a moron.

 

[BoberFett]

But, that doesn’t mean I’ll pretend that the Xbox 360 is still the gaming machine it was in 2005!

Ummm, the 360 is EXACTLY the same gaming machine it was in 2005. That's the whole point.

 

[chalmers]

Ummm, the 360 is EXACTLY the same gaming machine it was in 2005. That's the whole point.

I think he means graphics and gameplay in 2005 compared to available competitors such as the PC as they are compared now in 2011. If so, yes it's not the same gaming machine.

 

[BoberFett]

I think he means graphics and gameplay in 2005 compared to available competitors such as the PC as they are compared now in 2011. If so, yes it's not the same gaming machine.

Either way, that's the whole point of consoles.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

in your opinion

I have cycled out more a few P4's due to complains of them being way to goddamn slow(for general office apps/browsing)

I'm glad they are good enough for you, but they arent for most in my experience

They're good enough for anyone. My FX-55 could fly like the wind until the day that PC died. It's tiresome to read these ridiculous statements made by PC elitists like you. The reason they are slow in their office is usually due to lack of software upkeep (too much spyware, viruses, unused & unremoved progs, etc) and, more usually, a ridiculously overloaded network that is incapable of handling the amount of traffic it is receiving.

It's just a ludicrous statement for you to make and makes you appear ignorant to people that have been around PC building circles for awhile.

 

[simonizor]

How can people say they're still happy with the current consoles? The Xbox 360 was pretty decent in 2005, but it is total crap in 2011. Consoles should come out every 4-5 years. At $400-$500 per console, that's only $100/year - less than the cost of two new games!

Personally, I'd be upset if this is merely when they're starting to develop the next Xbox. I hope this is simply when we're finding out about it, but that it's been in development since ~2008. I can't imagine what a piece of junk the Xbox 360 will be in 2-3 years! Here's hoping for a 11/2012 release!

I'll be happy when this generation of consoles (the PS3 specifically) is abandoned and people really start modifying them. They have a lot of power under there; it'd be great to see something like XBMC on the PS3.

TBH, that won't be for a few years. The Kinect and the Move just came out, adding new life to aging consoles. I'd say 4 years if we're lucky.

 

[Joseph F]

*Crosses fingers and hopes for x86 architecture like the first xbox...
My ideal "Xbox 720" would have:
A 16-Core Bulldozer or 8-Core Sandy bridge, (Whichever turns out to be faster.)
4GB of DDR3,
Geforce GTX 580 or Radeon HD 6970
and an 8x Blu-ray drive.

ah, what a system that would be...

@simonizor XBMC should be available for PS3 relatively soon due to the signing keys getting released by George Hotz.

 

[Veliko]

I didn't say "garbage" (let alone with obnoxious all-caps). Don't misquote me. I call it crap in context. If you just want a console that can get by with putting an image on your 720p (or SD, even) TV so you can play some sort of awful WWII shooter, then it would be wrong to call the Xbox 360 crap. I want a console that can be a comprehensive media experience: stunning graphics during gameplay, play HD movies, and replace my need for a dedicated DVR. While I freely admit the DVR aspect may be too much to ask for from a console, the other two shouldn't be.

In what context are you calling it crap then? What you want doesn't currently exist in console form.

The only smart thing about using DVD over HD-DVD was that HD-DVD lost out, and Microsoft avoided being stuck with dead technology (of course, who is to say that it would have lost if it was built into the Xbox 360, but that's a different topic). Not including a Blu-ray drive hurts for two reasons: it loses that selling point to Sony, and all games sold for Xbox 360 are limited in size by DVD-9. Think how much bigger game worlds would be if programmers weren't limited by DVD-9 storage capacity?

Game worlds wouldn't necessarily be any bigger at all. It isn't the media holding these things back.

 

[Anneka]

Microsoft developing another Xbox is something that will happen for sure at some point. Don't know why but i like Xbox more than PS although at this point Sony's console outmatches Steve's one

 

[EightySix Four]

They're good enough for anyone. My FX-55 could fly like the wind until the day that PC died. It's tiresome to read these ridiculous statements made by PC elitists like you. The reason they are slow in their office is usually due to lack of software upkeep (too much spyware, viruses, unused & unremoved progs, etc) and, more usually, a ridiculously overloaded network that is incapable of handling the amount of traffic it is receiving.

It's just a ludicrous statement for you to make and makes you appear ignorant to people that have been around PC building circles for awhile.

Please stop. It hurts to read. A clean install on an FX55 feels slower than an iPhone these days.

 

[Soccerman06]

*Crosses fingers and hopes for x86 architecture like the first xbox...
My ideal "Xbox 720" would have:
A 16-Core Bulldozer or 8-Core Sandy bridge, (Whichever turns out to be faster.)
4GB of DDR3,
Geforce GTX 580 or Radeon HD 6970
and an 8x Blu-ray drive.

ah, what a system that would be...

@simonizor XBMC should be available for PS3 relatively soon due to the signing keys getting released by George Hotz.

Why limit yourself to tech that will be obsolete in 6-12 months, esp since consoles are equivalent to the mid-high end computer systems at their release date.?

 

[Zargon]

They're good enough for anyone. My FX-55 could fly like the wind until the day that PC died. It's tiresome to read these ridiculous statements made by PC elitists like you. The reason they are slow in their office is usually due to lack of software upkeep (too much spyware, viruses, unused & unremoved progs, etc) and, more usually, a ridiculously overloaded network that is incapable of handling the amount of traffic it is receiving.

It's just a ludicrous statement for you to make and makes you appear ignorant to people that have been around PC building circles for awhile.

Please stop. It hurts to read. A clean install on an FX55 feels slower than an iPhone these days.

this... must be a slow wind. after using a machine with an SSD anything old feels like garbage anyway.

beyond that, my wifes dual core machine i smuch slower in daily use than my quad core systems, and my household PC's are not full of slag-ware or viruses, or network congestion. the single cores run XP, because why would I waste $$ upgrading the OS on machines that old with DDR-400

 

[JackSpadesSI]

1) I've never bought a game that uses more than 2 discs on the xbox. You're reaching for an argument here. Not to mention the already stated price benefits from not including it. It seems to have worked out well for them.

Neither have I. However, I suspect this has more to do with the fact that game developers know that a 3+ disc game would been poorly received, so they limit themselves to work with 1-2 discs.

Data always seems to expand to the available storage (not just in games) so I have no doubt that developers would make use of Blu-ray storage if it were available to them. Sure, it might be poor use of the space at first, but as things came along this would improve.

2) 250 is plenty for me, and I can stream whatever I want through media center from any other pc in the house therefore I have as much hard drive space as I want.

I’m not arguing out of ego, or something stupid, so I’ll admit that I went a little far on this point. 250 GB is plenty of space for nearly every use of a console. However, I still stand by my opinion of how long it took before 250 GB was an option (and then, only at incredible cost to someone looking to upgrade).

3) I thought we were arguing about gaming? Who cares about what a true "media box" should have? Anyways, I have a PC that gives me DVR functionality. I'd rather my xbox not have DVR functionality cause that would require all kinds of price increases to have the hardware to record and play games at the same time.

I’m not arguing only about gaming, I’m arguing about consoles – specifically, whether or not a new generation is necessary at this time. Obviously, gaming is a huge part of consoles, but it isn’t the only part.

If these are your main arguments, then yes you are still a moron.

Never let anyone tell you that you don’t have class.

I think he means graphics and gameplay in 2005 compared to available competitors such as the PC as they are compared now in 2011. If so, yes it's not the same gaming machine.

Yes, that’s exactly what I meant. BoberFett read my statement way too literally.

In what context are you calling it crap then? What you want doesn't currently exist in console form.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear. When I speak of the Xbox 360, I don’t mean that it is crap with respect to the other current-generation consoles, but rather because it is the only one I seriously use (I also have a Wii that collects dust). I believe all current-generation consoles are crap.

The context is that I’m comparing them with what I feel consoles should be like in 2011. I’m extrapolating from past history: 1990, 1995, 2000, 2005 – each 5-year period saw significant improvements in what consoles were capable of. I feel like we were due for another such leap in 2010, but we’re still forced to live in 2005.

 

[tk149]

I was wondering what was going on for the next gen consoles.

Personally, there are still plenty of good games that I haven't had time to play yet on my consoles, and I haven't even picked up a 360 yet. I'm in no hurry to upgrade.

I am not going to be one of Microsoft's guinea pigs and buy their new console until it is proven reliable.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Typical elitist garbage. Anyone who thinks a P4 or Athlon64 cannot handle office work and business networking at breakneck speeds is completely lost. Sure a quad core is faster but I was responding to the statment that P4's couldn't handle standard office work and networking, which is an absolute joke. You cannot convinve the self brainwashed so I'm done with the discussion but people like you folks make me LOL.

 

[EightySix Four]

Typical elitist garbage. Anyone who thinks a P4 or Athlon64 cannot handle office work and business networking at breakneck speeds is completely lost. Sure a quad core is faster but I was responding to the statment that P4's couldn't handle standard office work and networking, which is an absolute joke. You cannot convinve the self brainwashed so I'm done with the discussion but people like you folks make me LOL.

I didn't say they couldn't do it, but the money lost waiting on them for anything other than the most minute tasks is worth the $600 upgrade to a quad core machine. Computing power is cheap, cheaper than man power, why waste the time?

Also, if anyone has a relatively fast computer at home or elsewhere, a P4 or Athlon64 will feel like hell when trying to accomplish anything.