New X2's? 3800+ and 4000+?

[Mrvile]

Nice!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Look at 4400s. They're like $660 at Monarch. Not even down to $580 yet. You're going to be looking at a long time before those 3800+s drop.

Man I really want the 1MB cache though. We can't be sure about the 4000+ YET...

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Zim
My concern is with how fast a 3800+ will run single threaded apps, which is what it would be doing for me most of the time. I doubt that one core of a 3800+ would be equivalent to a 3200+. If I end up with a dual core chip that feels slower than single core chips costing much less, I think I would be less than happy. Right now I'm still looking at a 4400+.

Its the same spec as a venice 3200+ for each core. It should run at least as fast as one of those, and there's always OC pontential.

That said, I miss the 1MB of cache my clawhammer had, so I'd be pickin up a 4000+.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Acadien
Meh, Im still going to go with the 4400. Can overclock it farther, and who knows when the lower end X2's will be released...

You don't know that yet.

Can anyone confirm if these would most likely still be 2 x San Diego cores (Manchester / Toledo ) or possibly the 512k variant being 2 x Venice cores..

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: Acadien
Meh, Im still going to go with the 4400. Can overclock it farther, and who knows when the lower end X2's will be released...

You don't know that yet.

Can anyone confirm if these would most likely still be 2 x San Diego cores (Manchester / Toledo ) or possibly the 512k variant being 2 x Venice cores..

Yeah, Manchester is basically 2 Venices, and Toledo is just 2 San Diego's. That make you happy?

 

[imported_Technomancer]

Looks like good news, if AMD can now afford to manufacture cheap dual cores en-masse, then that means they've worked out the lot of the kinks in their manufacturing. Personally I'd expect prices to come down a little bit when Fab 36 comes online and pushing 65 nm quad cores.

 

[Duvie]

I am a bit surprised it is this soon though...they talked about not wanting to confuse ppl with overlapping the PR rating and this may very well do that.....

Like mentioned above this could be a sign full ramp on these are going good...It may also be a sign that some of the cores may not be up to par and they need to speed bin them slightly...Who knows it can go either way....

I will still go ahead and get my 4400 now....The Aug 1st date may be rather ambitious for product that cannot even stay on shelves for a few hours now....Lower speed cheaper chips will only accelereate this...

My prediction is you wont see these for a few months and then newegg will sell them for 500 dollars...fvckers!!!

 

[Duvie]

I agree the 3800+ to 4000+ would be sweet by the lower multiplier may play havoc with some on certain boards requiring higher HTT....I think I will try the 11x now and if the 4000+ look very powerful and oc higher I will sell this 4400+ on ebay (home of the idiots) and get a 4000+ and use the rest for somthing else....

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Technomancer
Looks like good news, if AMD can now afford to manufacture cheap dual cores en-masse, then that means they've worked out the lot of the kinks in their manufacturing. Personally I'd expect prices to come down a little bit when Fab 36 comes online and pushing 65 nm quad cores.

Who says they're manufacting cheap X2s en masse? These new low-priced X2s may be failed 4200+, 4400+, and 4800+ cores they had building up in a bin somewhere.

 

[Zebo]

These new low-priced X2s may be failed 4200+, 4400+, and 4800+ cores they had building up in a bin somewhere.

Yup overclocker caveat emptor. I still like the idea of a 10X, easier math for me.😛

I seriously doubt they will come with 2MB cache regardless.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Could be a sign of the demand for X2. Even if the PR numbers overlap, X2 vs A64 should be different enough to denote difference in CPU. Then there's always "Dual Core" they can slap all over packaging and advertising to make sure consumers know there's something special about the product.

I'm still tempted by the extra cache of toledo, however if these new "budget" dual cores can overclock I'll definately consider them, however if they're speed binned failures (couldn't reach 2.2-2.4GHz with satisfaction) then I'll probably go ahead and pay the premium.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Very nice. 😀

I hope the availability of these turns out to be better than the initial X2's (and that retailers don't price gouge, but what are the chances of that?)...very interested to see some overclocking results. If they can hit 2.5-2.7GHz rather easily, this is just the CPU for me. If they can't (and these are the product of speed binning of "defective" processors), then I'll probably just bite the bullet and spend the $$$$$$ for a 4400+.

 

[n7]

This is great news 😀

I would really like to be able to get an X2 this fall or even next spring, for a decent price.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Very nice. 😀

I hope the availability of these turns out to be better than the initial X2's (and that retailers don't price gouge, but what are the chances of that?)...very interested to see some overclocking results. If they can hit 2.5-2.7GHz rather easily, this is just the CPU for me. If they can't (and these are the product of speed binning of "defective" processors), then I'll probably just bite the bullet and spend the $$$$$$ for a 4400+.

I doubt it, that's why I'm sticking with my 4400+.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo

These new low-priced X2s may be failed 4200+, 4400+, and 4800+ cores they had building up in a bin somewhere.

Yup overclocker caveat emptor. I still like the idea of a 10X, easier math for me.😛

I seriously doubt they will come with 2MB cache regardless.

Just adjust the multi down to the 10x then!!!!

I agree until I see the 3800-4000+ X2's hitting same plateaus I would be OCer BEWARE!!!!

 

[blckgrffn]

lol, no reason to pay for that high multi if you don't intend to use it 😉 3200+ FOR LIFE 😛 Math is hard, like zebo said - I mean, come one, mulitplying something by 10? Add a zero to the end! Mulitplying by 11 though, you get that tricky add a zero and add one more of the base number thing going on, and it all goes to hell rather quickly 😉

That said, if these are anything like the original winnie and venice launches, it will be a mixed oc'ing bag for sure. I am sure to get a dud, so that is one less for you guys to worry about 😛

 

[Bona Fide]

I'm having mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it's nice to have an affordable dual-core from AMD, but look at the performance issues. I just finished (re)reading Anandtech's reviews of the 4800+ and 4200+. The 4200+ performs like a 3500+ in single-threaded applications. What can we expect of the X2 4000+ and 3800+? Will they run like regular 3200+ and 3000+? Since dual-core applications basically are nonexistential, I wonder how well these CPU's will sell.

 

[Vegitto]

Well, Bona Fide, for the people that actually have a use for them, this doesn't matter such a great deal, since these processors will be overclocked. Also, I don't see the need of getting a dualcore solution if you worry about the clockspeed. If that's all what you're worrying about, just get a Prescott 😛.

 

[imported_Husky55]

It I get an X2 it is not because of I have any need for dual core application right now but because I constantly use multi apps simultaneously, i.e. anti-spy, anti-virus, audio video ripping encoding, in addition to web browsing, Photoshop and crunch Excel and Access numbers.

😉

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: Husky55
It I get an X2 it is not because of I have any need for dual core application right now but because I constantly use multi apps simultaneously, i.e. anti-spy, anti-virus, audio video ripping encoding, in addition to web browsing, Photoshop and crunch Excel and Access numbers.

😉

Hehehe, Photoshop was multi-enabled a decade ago already. A/V encoding/decoding apps are typically (the professional ones) multi-aware too.
You're going to see a nice performance jump, believe me. 😉😎

 

[imported_Frallan]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
I'm having mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it's nice to have an affordable dual-core from AMD, but look at the performance issues. I just finished (re)reading Anandtech's reviews of the 4800+ and 4200+. The 4200+ performs like a 3500+ in single-threaded applications. What can we expect of the X2 4000+ and 3800+? Will they run like regular 3200+ and 3000+? Since dual-core applications basically are nonexistential, I wonder how well these CPU's will sell.

It is SUPPOSED to act like a 3500+ in Single threading... But real life isn't single threaded thats the catch. U have Anti Virus scans email and OS + a few other things running all the time and therefore a dedicated 3500+ is a pretty good thing. And with a moderate OC....

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
lol, no reason to pay for that high multi if you don't intend to use it 😉 3200+ FOR LIFE 😛 Math is hard, like zebo said - I mean, come one, mulitplying something by 10? Add a zero to the end! Mulitplying by 11 though, you get that tricky add a zero and add one more of the base number thing going on, and it all goes to hell rather quickly 😉

That said, if these are anything like the original winnie and venice launches, it will be a mixed oc'ing bag for sure. I am sure to get a dud, so that is one less for you guys to worry about 😛

LOL😀 Any excuse to justify highlevels of cheapness is ok wit me.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Found this on techreport today, gives speed and cache sized for X2 3800+ and 4000+:

AMD to double up on cheaper dual-core chips?
by Geoff Gasior - 01:00 pm, July 19, 2005

X86-secret is reporting (in French, bring a translator) that AMD will add not one, but two cheaper Athlon 64 X2 processors to its dual-core lineup. The Athlon 64 X2 4000+ and 3800+ will apparently both be clocked at 2.0GHz, with the former featuring 1MB of L2 cache per core, and the latter 512KB of L2 cache. It's expected that the X2 3800+ will sell for around $345, but there's no word on pricing for the X2 4000+, which will presumably be more expensive.

 

[imported_Frallan]

That means about 350e for the 3800+ and 400? for the 4000+ if it follows the same pricing conventions. X2 Here I come 😛

 

[blckgrffn]

Still too $$$ for me... sorry, need to be under $300, I guess I am not looking until this fall anyway.

Nat