New Weight-Loss Device to Be Tested

[Amused]

New Weight-Loss Device to Be Tested

PORTLAND, Ore. (Oct. 21) - Portland has been chosen as one of three nationwide sites where doctors will begin testing new weight-loss surgery technology designed to reduce weight without dramatic changes to digestive systems.

By this December, doctors at Legacy Good Samaritan Hospital & Medical Center plan to begin implanting a pacemaker-like device in six to eight test patients. The device will fire electronic pulses through tiny wires leading to the stomach wall.

The hoped-for result is that the body will be tricked into feeling full after eating a small amount of food, followed by gradual weight loss.

Obese patients fed up with diets that don't produce lasting results are increasingly turning to weight-loss surgery for help. The most common forms of the surgery rearrange the body's anatomy, either by stapling parts of the stomach or changing the pathway for digestion.

The method that will be tested in Portland, "leaves the stomach as is," said Dr. Emma Patterson, the director of Legacy's Obesity Institute who will implant the Tantalus in Portland-area patients. "That's the appealing part of it."

The device will also be tested in Los Angeles and Cleveland.

If tests prove successful, MetaCure, the device's Dutch maker, plans to ask the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for approval to conduct a longer-term study.

A Tantalus patient manual cautions that surgically implanting the device may cause infection, perforations of the stomach or bowel, or other complications. It also notes a small risk of death.

Tantalus tests have shown complication-free results so far, said Walid Haddad, the manager overseeing MetaCure's obesity project.

 

[etalns]

Damn lazy fat people.

 

[Red Dawn]

The thing is a lot of these fat asses keep eating even after they feel full!

 

[Arkitech]

overnight one of these to Starr Jones and Rosie O Donnell

 

[Howard]

I'm pretty sure it isn't the stomach that controls the feeling of hunger/fullness.

 

[ElFenix]

all about the fatties today for amused!

 

[Fausto]

Can't they just wire up a device that will kick you in the nards every time you reach for a big mac? Just as effective and much more entertaining for the bystanders.

 

[AlStan1981]

cool now more of our tax money will go to the health care of fat people who are too damn lazy to get off the couch and put their bon bons down ... :roll:

 

[Doboji]

You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: AlStan1981
cool now more of our tax money will go to the health care of fat people who are too damn lazy to get off the couch and put their bon bons down ... :roll:

Which is one reason why socialism is wrong.

The other reason is the next logical step in your thought process: Let's tax or ban certain foods and take away everyone's freedoms in one area or another.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

I wouldn't term it as you did, but it usually does boil down to food intake and activity levels. Healthy eating and exercise could "fix" a lot of the weight issues out there....not all....but a majority for sure.


The exercise thing is really the key IMHO: you give yourself a lot more caloric "overhead" to work with if you get in a workout on any given day. My BMR may only be 2200 kcal or so (and yes, it's hard to eat less than that when trying to lose weight), but if I burn 6-800 calories on the bike that day, I have much greater leeway with my food while still being able to keep the caloric deficit for the day if I'm trying to drop some pounds.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: AlStan1981
cool now more of our tax money will go to the health care of fat people who are too damn lazy to get off the couch and put their bon bons down ... :roll:

Which is one reason why socialism is wrong.

The other reason is the next logical step in your thought process: Let's tax or ban certain foods and take away everyone's freedoms in one area or another.

Socialism is no more wrong than capitalism is wrong in this respect... In this case we're talking about an exception. People who react poorly to the mainstream food in our society. In the society you describe... free market, no socialism... the people who react poorly are screwed, and are left with a very difficult problem. If you propose that we not care for these people... then the same rule would quickly apply to a host of other people with other exceptions... like Smoking/cancer, sex/vd, etc. The list goes on and on. As much as we wish we didnt have to care for other people in our society, the fact is we live in a world with other people... and we are as responsible to them, as they are to us.

-Max

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: AlStan1981
cool now more of our tax money will go to the health care of fat people who are too damn lazy to get off the couch and put their bon bons down ... :roll:

Which is one reason why socialism is wrong.

The other reason is the next logical step in your thought process: Let's tax or ban certain foods and take away everyone's freedoms in one area or another.

Socialism is no more wrong than capitalism is wrong in this respect... In this case we're talking about an exception. People who react poorly to the mainstream food in our society. In the society you describe... free market, no socialism... the people who react poorly are screwed, and are left with a very difficult problem. If you propose that we not care for these people... then the same rule would quickly apply to a host of other people with other exceptions... like Smoking/cancer, sex/vd, etc. The list goes on and on. As much as we wish we didnt have to care for other people in our society, the fact is we live in a world with other people... and we are as responsible to them, as they are to us.

-Max

If you react poorly, you should be responsible for your actions. Socialism is anathema to freedom because the people will refuse to pay for those things they deem "unsafe" and will seek to ban or limit them.

NO ONE is responsible to me. I don't know where you get this from, but it's silly.

No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as the right to enslave. Socialism is slavery.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

I wouldn't term it as you did, but it usually does boil down to food intake and activity levels. Healthy eating and exercise could "fix" a lot of the weight issues out there....not all....but a majority for sure.


The exercise thing is really the key IMHO: you give yourself a lot more caloric "overhead" to work with if you get in a workout on any given day. My BMR may only be 2200 kcal or so (and yes, it's hard to eat less than that when trying to lose weight), but if I burn 6-800 calories on the bike that day, I have much greater leeway with my food while still being able to keep the caloric deficit for the day if I'm trying to drop some pounds.

While I agree that if those obese people would exercise more, they would be able to avoid obesity... however... the fact is in our sociery the overwheming amount of people do not exercise, or eat properly. However of all those lazy people only a minority end up obese. So what we are essentially saying here, is that obese people are lazy fat asses because they are on par (eating habits and exercisewise) with the majority of society. And according to this thread.. in order to not be considered lazy, they would need to follow the eating habits, and exercise habits, of the most active minority in our society....

Get what I'm saying?

I myself fall into this category... I would be very obese, if I wasn't constantly doing battle with my weight...
And where non obese peope can take a couple weeks off and eat what they want, I can't...

-Max

 

[Fausto]

I'm going to force-feed you 25 Twinkies if you use "nanny-state" in your next post, Amused.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: AlStan1981
cool now more of our tax money will go to the health care of fat people who are too damn lazy to get off the couch and put their bon bons down ... :roll:

Which is one reason why socialism is wrong.

The other reason is the next logical step in your thought process: Let's tax or ban certain foods and take away everyone's freedoms in one area or another.

Socialism is no more wrong than capitalism is wrong in this respect... In this case we're talking about an exception. People who react poorly to the mainstream food in our society. In the society you describe... free market, no socialism... the people who react poorly are screwed, and are left with a very difficult problem. If you propose that we not care for these people... then the same rule would quickly apply to a host of other people with other exceptions... like Smoking/cancer, sex/vd, etc. The list goes on and on. As much as we wish we didnt have to care for other people in our society, the fact is we live in a world with other people... and we are as responsible to them, as they are to us.

-Max

If you react poorly, you should be responsible for your actions. Socialism is anathema to freedom because the people will refuse to pay for those things they deem "unsafe" and will seek to ban or limit them.

NO ONE is responsible to me. I don't know where you get this from, but it's silly.

No man can have a right to impose an unchosen obligation, an unrewarded duty or an involuntary servitude on another man. There can be no such thing as the right to enslave. Socialism is slavery.

Socialism is no different that capitalism in the context we're talking about. We end up paying for these health problems in the form of more expensive healthcare in a free market system. To think that you can avoid paying for these exceptions within our society is foolish.... These are unavoidable costs. I don't believe in socialized healthcare... but not for this reason... I disagree with socialized healthcare, because I think it has adverse effects on innovation. But it certainly isn't slavery anymore than being a part of a society is slavery.

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The thing is a lot of these fat asses keep eating even after they feel full!

yup, the problem is usually more psychological than physical

 

[AlStan1981]

i personally think the reason people are fat and obese starts from one of a few reasons, or a combination:

1. Parents
2. Lazy
3. Technology

Let me explain ...

1. When a child is young, the only way they can get fat is if their parents don't feed them properly. A kid will not learn what is good and what is bad unlses they are taught, preferrably by their parents. I always feel sorry when I see a fat parent and a fat child. The reason the child is fat is not the childs fault, its the parents fault because they buy the food they enjoy (which is the reason the parent is fat), and the kid also eats it.

2. People are just plain out lazy. Sure, people work 9-5 jobs and don't have much time after that for their own sake. And half the time these jobs are people sitting on their asses all day, eating out every day for lunch. But that is no excuse to not take an hour out of your day, after work, to go workout or do some kind of exercise. But no, what do they do? They go home, eat a huge dinner meal, pull a tony soprano and go watch tv on the couch for a few hours, eating a big bowl of ice cream, then they go to sleep with all that food sitting in their belly while they sleep.

3. I personally think this is part of the problem of the youth today being fat. There still are sports teams for after school as there was when we (i'm only 22 now) were younger. But when I was a kid, i didnt have a computer at home to go home to. Kids today would rather play basketball on a comptuer than on the court. They would rather go home and 'chat' with their friends, rather than go socialize in the park or something. They would rather drive down the street to do something than walk.

I personally do not feel sorry for fat people at all, and personally, alot of the time they disgust me, especially when I see a fat person at McDonalds buying a huge amount of food and then stuff it in their mouth. The only fat people I feel sorry for are children, because they do not know any better ...

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

I wouldn't term it as you did, but it usually does boil down to food intake and activity levels. Healthy eating and exercise could "fix" a lot of the weight issues out there....not all....but a majority for sure.


The exercise thing is really the key IMHO: you give yourself a lot more caloric "overhead" to work with if you get in a workout on any given day. My BMR may only be 2200 kcal or so (and yes, it's hard to eat less than that when trying to lose weight), but if I burn 6-800 calories on the bike that day, I have much greater leeway with my food while still being able to keep the caloric deficit for the day if I'm trying to drop some pounds.

While I agree that if those obese people would exercise more, they would be able to avoid obesity... however... the fact is in our sociery the overwheming amount of people do not exercise, or eat properly. However of all those lazy people only a minority end up obese. So what we are essentially saying here, is that obese people are lazy fat asses because they are on par (eating habits and exercisewise) with the majority of society. And according to this thread.. in order to not be considered lazy, they would need to follow the eating habits, and exercise habits, of the most active minority in our society....

Get what I'm saying?

I myself fall into this category... I would be very obese, if I wasn't constantly doing battle with my weight...
And where non obese peope can take a couple weeks off and eat what they want, I can't...

-Max

i see where you are going and agree somewhat. but the truth is........... LIFE ISN'T FAIR.

im in the same boat as you. if i were to eat like a "normal" american, i would balloon up. my body just can't handle the normal american diet. when i looked down at my gut last year, i noticed lots of fat staring back. i am 5'8" and have gone from weighing 175 ---> 128. It is a lot of hard work, but i feel 100% better.

the simple truth is.... there are ppl whose body can handle more calories, well good for them. DONT FEEL JEALOUS ABOUT IT. they arnt fat and lazy b/c they don't have a problem..... yet. studies indicate that these ppl with get a backlash later in life for their eating habits.

when you start to notice a problem (fat increasing on your body) and do nothing about it, then i think you can be labled fat and lazy, b/c you CAN do something about it.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

 

[AlStan1981]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Afrotech

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

I wouldn't term it as you did, but it usually does boil down to food intake and activity levels. Healthy eating and exercise could "fix" a lot of the weight issues out there....not all....but a majority for sure.


The exercise thing is really the key IMHO: you give yourself a lot more caloric "overhead" to work with if you get in a workout on any given day. My BMR may only be 2200 kcal or so (and yes, it's hard to eat less than that when trying to lose weight), but if I burn 6-800 calories on the bike that day, I have much greater leeway with my food while still being able to keep the caloric deficit for the day if I'm trying to drop some pounds.

While I agree that if those obese people would exercise more, they would be able to avoid obesity... however... the fact is in our sociery the overwheming amount of people do not exercise, or eat properly. However of all those lazy people only a minority end up obese. So what we are essentially saying here, is that obese people are lazy fat asses because they are on par (eating habits and exercisewise) with the majority of society. And according to this thread.. in order to not be considered lazy, they would need to follow the eating habits, and exercise habits, of the most active minority in our society....

Get what I'm saying?

I myself fall into this category... I would be very obese, if I wasn't constantly doing battle with my weight...
And where non obese peope can take a couple weeks off and eat what they want, I can't...

-Max

i see where you are going and agree somewhat. but the truth is........... LIFE ISN'T FAIR.

im in the same boat as you. if i were to eat like a "normal" american, i would balloon up. my body just can't handle the normal american diet. when i looked down at my gut last year, i noticed lots of fat staring back. i am 5'8" and have gone from weighing 175 ---> 128. It is a lot of hard work, but i feel 100% better.

the simple truth is.... there are ppl whose body can handle more calories, well good for them. DONT FEEL JEALOUS ABOUT IT. they arnt fat and lazy b/c they don't have a problem..... yet. studies indicate that these ppl with get a backlash later in life for their eating habits.

when you start to notice a problem (fat increasing on your body) and do nothing about it, then i think you can be labled fat and lazy, b/c you CAN do something about it.

It's not a matter of being jealous.... It's a matter of not being labeled fat and lazy... that is just ridiculous. It's nice that you lost 50 pounds... good for you. But being 5'8" 175... is not the same as someone who is say 5'8" 230 or more... I'm 6'5" 330... now don't assume that I am grossly overweight... I'm built like a bull, pick an NFL offensive lineman... thats me. But I am very very suseptible to weight gain... if I take 2 weeks off of working out... I gain 10-15lbs.... it happens that quickly. And without constant attention for the rest of my life... I could quickly find myself in real trouble... like a year or so ago... when I weighed close to 400lbs... I dropped it quick. But without constant attention, it will come back.

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

 

[AlStan1981]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: AlStan1981

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Doboji
You know... jackasses.... Obese people don't necessarily eat more that you. They need to always eat less than you.... not an easy thing to do. Everyone is quick to call obese people lazy fat asses... but that isn't always the case.

-Max

Then why does stomach stapling work?

It doesnt always... and when it does work, it forces those people to eat far less than normal people eat.... thus exactly what I said...

-Max

a fat person eating less than what they normally eat would require nothing but discipline which the majority of them dont have. thats why they can't stop eating stuff and continue to be unhealthy.

it is very possible for them to eat a healthy portion of food that will fill them up a healthy amount, but they choose not to, and they "LACK DISCIPLINE!" (like ahnold says).

Read my posts... a large quantity of fat people, have the same eating/exercising habits as the overwhelming majority of people. These people have to practice the discipline that YOU probably don't have in order to stay NORMAL.

-Max

that is BS. i realize certain people have different metabolisms than others. that still dosen't mean the person with the slow metabolism shouldn't exercise just because the one with faster metabolism doesn't have to. and if he doesn't exercise, and starts to gain weight, then i would call that lazy because he knows he's gaining weight but isn't doing anything about it. also, if they started to exercise their metabolism would start to get faster.

and FYI, i have been working out pretty consistantly, with the exception of the summers (while in school cause i was off campus for the summer so i wouldn't go as much, but now i graduated), for the past 4 years. i am 9-5 job right now. i still go to the gym 4 times a week. i do each muscle group 1 time a week, and as of now, i cut out cardio because i am trying to GAIN weight. I am 5'11 and up to 186lbs, trying to get to around 190-195, then i am going to go on a lean cycle.

and i hate to break it to you, but i actually DO have discipline, and i KNOW what i'm doing because i'm not LAZY and read up on what i should and shouldnt do in order to be fit.

EDIT: and dude, you must be a monster! you are 6'3 and 330lbs, that is massive! and no, i am not saying that in a bad way. i think its pretty awesome how some of those line men are so huge, like how they don't even look cut and what not, but they are solid as a rock. that is very impressive, good job :thumbsup: