New violence against women act

[Lithium381]

it's sickening.


new provisions in there that make the definition very weak. any unpleasant language now counts as domestic abuse. why can't our politians grow a pair and vote against this POS bill which does so much more than 'violence against women' . . which is a concept i think is BS to begin with, it should be "violence against anyone"...

i heard on the radio yesterday. . . funny how if you're accused of domestic abuse and / or have a restraining order brought against you based on it, you must forefeit your firearms . . . because if this wishy washy definition they're playing out i see a lot of people getting disarmed from having an arguement . . . . .sick sick sick... can't wait to see how this one is abused.

 

[Wreckem]

it's sickening.


new provisions in there that make the definition very weak. any unpleasant language now counts as domestic abuse. why can't our politians grow a pair and vote against this POS bill which does so much more than 'violence against women' . . which is a concept i think is BS to begin with, it should be "violence against anyone"...

i heard on the radio yesterday. . . funny how if you're accused of domestic abuse and / or have a restraining order brought against you based on it, you must forefeit your firearms . . . because if this wishy washy definition they're playing out i see a lot of people getting disarmed from having an arguement . . . . .sick sick sick... can't wait to see how this one is abused.

You're full of shit.

 

[ElFenix]

You're full of shit.

i see what you did there

 

[brandonb]

I can honestly say I'm disappointed in the fact that this is directed towards a certain gender.

I thought we don't discriminate against race, gender, and so on...

 

[piasabird]

So what happens if my wife insults me? Not that women cant be abusive. I always thought it took two to have a fight.

Where has June Cleaver gone?

 

[Moonbeam]

Violence against women

Although the exact rates are widely disputed, especially within the United States, there is a large body of cross-cultural evidence that women are subjected to domestic violence significantly more often than men.[132][134][135][136] In addition, there is broad consensus that women are more often subjected to severe forms of abuse and are more likely to be injured by an abusive partner.[135][136][137]

According to a report by the United States Department of Justice, a survey of 16,000 Americans showed 22.1% of women and 7.4% of men reported being physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, boyfriend or girlfriend, or date in their lifetime.[138] A 2010 survey of over 21,000 residents of England and Wales by the UK Home Office showed that 7% of women and 4% of men were victims of domestic abuse in the last year.[139] A study in the United States found that women were 13 times more likely than men to seek medical attention due to injuries related to spousal abuse.[140]

BBC reported that in England and Wales about 100 women are killed by partners or former partners each year while 21 men were killed by domestic violence in 2010.[141]

Women are more likely than men to be murdered by an intimate partner. Of those killed by an intimate partner about three quarters are female and about a quarter are male. In 1999 in the United States 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner,[142] and 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners in 2005.[143][144] In England and Wales about 100 women are killed by partners or former partners each year while 21 men were killed in 2010.[145] In 2008, in France, 156 women and 27 men were killed by their intimate partner.[146]

The UN Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women (1993) states that "violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women, which has led to domination over and discrimination against women by men and to the prevention of the full advancement of women, and that violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men."[147][148]

In their study of severely violent couples, Neil Jacobson and John Gottman conclude that the frequency of violent acts is not as crucial as the impact of the violence and its function, when trying to understand spousal abuse; specifically, they state that the purpose of domestic violence is typically to control and intimidate, rather than just to injure.[149]

The veracity of some domestic violence research[examples needed] has been called into question by a few domestic violence researchers, who argue that most of the studies coming to such a conclusion suffer from distortion and methodological flaws. In 2007, Murray Straus explored a number of these problems, and he outlined several processes by which the data have been distorted by researchers. These processes include direct suppression of evidence, manipulating survey research questions to avoid unwanted data, selective and biased citations, misinterpreting or overinterpreting data to acquire the desired conclusion, manufacturing the appearance of evidence through repeated citation (the "woozle effect"), obstructing the publication or funding of potentially contradictory research, and finally, harassment, threats, and penalties against researchers who produce contrary evidence.[150] Nicola Graham-Kevan, whose research was the spark for Straus' commentary, concurred with Straus' conclusions and noted that another tool used to suppress evidence is the manipulation of numerical and statistical data to distort the public presentation of domestic violence research.[151]

In later research, Straus explores the reasons for the public misperception and the academic denial and suppression of evidence for gender symmetry in domestic violence research. He lists a number of possible factors, including assumptions based on the fact that males perpetrate more crimes in general, cultural stereotypes about male and female behavior, the belief that recognizing gender symmetry in domestic violence could undermine the protection of women, and several others.[152]

 

[nehalem256]

Violence against women

Although the exact rates are widely disputed, especially within the United States, there is a large body of cross-cultural evidence that women are subjected to domestic violence significantly more often than men.

oh really?

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.

http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

or try

Perhaps surprisingly, statistics have shown that lesbian people experience domestic violence at a very similar rate to that of heterosexual women (Waldner-Haygrud, 1997; AVP, 1992). It has been estimated that between 17-45% of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner (Burke et al, 1999; Lie et al, 1991), and that 30% of lesbians have reported sexual assault / rape by another woman (Renzetti, 1992). Considering the lack of discussion that takes place regarding lesbian domestic violence and sexual assault, I find these figures staggering.

http://www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html

I mean why would there be similar levels of domestic violence in lesbian relationships(in which no more are present) as heterosexual relationships unless women were just as violent as men in domestic relationships?

 

[ShawnD1]

I can honestly say I'm disappointed in the fact that this is directed towards a certain gender.

I thought we don't discriminate against race, gender, and so on...

It's a secret ploy to make the law treat crazy people as first class citizens while assholes are second class citizens. Example: an insane white man punches a random white man in the face because "he looked at me weird!" --> minor crime. A sane yet racist white man punches a black man in the face for no reason --> life in jail because it's a hate crime.
Instead of rehabilitating the guy who is sane yet angry, society wants to try to rehabilitate the guy who may or may not have schizophrenia and just happens to punch people who are the same race as him.

It all makes perfect sense.

 

[1prophet]

What's even sadder is how many of these women keep going back to the very same asshole that abuses them over and over and will defend them if someone like the police try to intercede for their own good.


Perfect example




http://www.news.com.au/national-new...man-who-beat-her/story-fndo4bst-1226566981298

 

[nehalem256]

If you want to know why its the Violence Against Women Act and not the Violence Against People Act this should help explain:

http://michiganradio.org/post/safe-home-part-3-women-who-use-force

Larance explains that it is important to make the distinction between the ways men and women use violence in their relationships. Even the language is different. Men "batter", women "use force."

So women don't commit domestic violence. They just "use force" against their partners. :hmm:

 

[nehalem256]

What's even sadder is how many of these women keep going back to the very same asshole that abuses them over and over and will defend them if someone like the police try to intercede for their own good.

Perfect example

http://www.news.com.au/national-new...man-who-beat-her/story-fndo4bst-1226566981298

Not to mention

http://gawker.com/5166432/report-rihanna-hit-first-so-chris-brown-wants-a-misdemeanor

 

[schneiderguy]

Anyone who seriously believes that men and women should be equal under the law is a misogynistic woman hating virgin loser with a 2" penis.

 

[Wreckem]

If you want to know why its the Violence Against Women Act and not the Violence Against People Act this should help explain:

http://michiganradio.org/post/safe-home-part-3-women-who-use-force



So women don't commit domestic violence. They just "use force" against their partners. :hmm:

It wasn't that long ago women(and children) were considered personal property of their husband and could be beaten/raped and even murdered without the husband being punished. Its from the same time frame were fathers could indiscriminately sexually molest there daughters without any repercussion.

There is a reason why VAWA exists, but domestic violence laws are mainly state not federal.

 

[nehalem256]

It wasn't that long ago women(and children) were considered personal property of their husband and could be beaten/raped and even murdered without the husband being punished. Its from the same time frame were fathers could indiscriminately sexually molest there daughters without any repercussion.

There is a reason why VAWA exists, but domestic violence laws are mainly state not federal.

So it exists because things use to happen. So basically it has no purpose except to discriminate against men who are just as likely to be abused IN THE PRESENT.

And you know it wasn't that long ago that men could be conscripted and sent to die a violent death in a far away land. Oops, that is still true today.

 

[Wreckem]

So it exists because things use to happen. So basically it has no purpose except to discriminate against men who are just as likely to be abused IN THE PRESENT.

And you know it wasn't that long ago that men could be conscripted and sent to die a violent death in a far away land. Oops, that is still true today.

No they were created because law enforcement would not prosecute men who beat women they were in relationships with. Even in the early 1990s, men were rarely prosecuted when assaulting women they were in relationships with.

Just read the god damn legislative history. And again VAWA doesn't really legislate many crimes of domestic violence, state laws does. VAWA is more or less a funding mechanism for govt programs to aid victims of domestic violence(which are overwhelmingly female).

 

[nehalem256]

No they were created because law enforcement would not prosecute men who beat women they were in relationships with. Even in the early 1990s, men were rarely prosecuted when assaulting women they were in relationships with.

Just read the god damn legislative history. And again VAWA doesn't really legislate many crimes of domestic violence, state laws do. VAWA is more or less a funding mechanism for govt programs to aid victims of domestic violence(which are overwhelmingly female).

http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.


Aizenman, M., & Kelley, G. (1988). The incidence of violence and acquaintance rape in dating relationships among college men and women. Journal of College Student Development, 29, 305-311. (A sample of actively dating college students <204 women and 140 men> responded to a survey examining courtship violence. Authors report that there were no significant differences between the sexes in self reported perpetration of physical abuse.)

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Anderson, K. L. (2002). Perpetrator or victim? Relationships between intimate partner violence and well-being. Journal of Marriage and Family, 64, 851-863. (Data consisted of 7,395 married and cohabiting heterosexual couples drawn from wave 1 of the National Survey of Families and Households <NSFH-1>. In terms of measures: subjects were asked "how many arguments during the past year resulted in 'you hitting, shoving or throwing things at a partner.' They were also asked how many arguments ended with their partner, 'hitting, shoving or throwing things at you.'" Author reports that, "victimization rates are slightly higher among men than women <9% vs 7%> and in cases that involve perpetration by only one partner, more women than men were identified as perpetrators <2% vs 1%>.")

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Arias, I., & Johnson, P. (1989). Evaluations of physical aggression among intimate dyads. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 4, 298-307. (Used Conflict Tactics Scale-CTS- with a sample of 103 male and 99 female undergraduates. Both men and women had similar experience with dating violence, 19% of women and 18% of men admitted being physically aggressive. A significantly greater percentage of women thought self-defense was a legitimate reason for men to be aggressive, while a greater percentage of men thought slapping was a legitimate response for a man or woman if their partner was sexually unfaithful.)

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Arriaga, X. B., & Foshee, V. A. (2004). Adolescent dating violence. Do adolescents follow in their friends' or their parents' footsteps? Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 19, 162-184. (A modified version of Conflict Tactics Scale was administered on two occasions, 6 months apart, to 526 adolescents, <280 girls, 246 boys> whose median age was 13. Results reveal that 28% of girls reported perpetrating violence with their partners <17% moderate, 11% severe> on occasion one, while 42% of girls reported perpetrating violence <25% moderate, 17% severe> on occasion two. For boys, 11% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 5% severe> on occasion one, while 21% reported perpetrating violence <6% moderate, 15% severe> on occasion two. In terms of victimization, 33% of girls, and 38% of boys reported being victims of partner aggression on occasion one and 47% of girls and 49% of boys reported victimization on occasion two.

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Bernard, M. L., & Bernard, J. L. (1983). Violent intimacy: The family as a model for love relationships. Family Relations, 32, 283-286. (Surveyed 461 college students, 168 men, 293 women, with regard to dating violence. Found that 15% of the men admitted to physically abusing their partners, while 21% of women admitted to physically abusing their partners.)

Do you want to admit your full of shit or should I continue quoting the scholary works?

 

[Wreckem]

Yeah and you still cant rebut the fact that men were rarely prosecuted for beating women they were dating pre VAWA. When women were almost always prosecuted for the same violence(usually because it ended up with death). Even to this day a woman who kills her partner spends many many more years in jail than a man who kills his partner.

My mom was a victim of domestic violence by three seperate men, one of which was my father. That all occurred in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Before VAWA. Not a single one was ever arrested or charged with assault or attempted murder. There is a reason why these laws were passed. They were passed because good ole boy motherfuckers like yourself did not go after men who beat women.

 

[Wreckem]

And studies based on self reporting surveys are pointless when we have actual fucking crime statistics.

Its like we should put a lot of stock in the sex/drug self reporting surveys they give to high school students each year.

When an avg person is asked if they beat their partner, or molested their child, etc , they are going to say no, even if they did.

 

[nehalem256]

Yeah and you still cant rebut the fact that men were rarely prosecuted for beating women they were dating. When women were almost always prosecuted for the same violence(usually because it ended up with death).

Do I need to explain the contradiction there?

Even to this day a woman who kills her partner spends many more years in jail than a man who kills his partner.

Source...

My mom was a victim of domestic violence by three seperate men, one of which was my father. That all occurred in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Before VAWA. Not a single one was ever arrested or charged with assault or attempted murder. There is a reason why these laws were passed. They were passed because good ole boy motherfuckers like yourself did not go after men who beat women.

Is that reason because women have a uncontrollable attraction to men who beat them? :hmm:

 

[Wreckem]

...

 

[nehalem256]

And studies based on self reporting surveys are pointless when we have actual fucking crime statistics.

Its like we should put a lot of stock in the sex/drug self reporting surveys they give to high school students each year.

When an avg person is asked if they beat their partner, or molested their child, etc , they are going to say no, even if they did.

Actual fucking crime statistics are only statistics of reported crimes.

So you pass a law to make sure that men are arrested for domestic violence and then use the fact that men are arrested for domestic violence as evidence...

wow. Do I really need to explain what is wrong with your methodology?

 

[Wreckem]

Do I need to explain the contradiction there?



Source...



Is that reason because women have a uncontrollable attraction to men who beat them? :hmm:

I dont know how you have never been fucking perma banned.

And there is not contradiction. You just fail at reading comprehension.

Women are more likely to kill their partners.
Men are more likely to beat the shit out of their partners.

Crime stats show many more women get the shit beat out of them than men getting killed. And its pointless even bothering trying to get it through your thick skull, but many of the women who end up killing their partners usually do so after years of abuse...

 

[nehalem256]

I dont know how you have never been fucking perma banned.

Because exposing your logical contradictions is not a bannable offense? (Like: "When women were almost always prosecuted for the same violence(usually because it ended up with death)"

You claim that one the one hand the aren't persecuted for the "same" violence, but then turn around and say its different. You know because they guy is dead.

Because asking for sources for claims is not a bannable offense?

 

[nehalem256]

Women are more likely to kill their partners.
Men are more likely to beat the shit out of their partners.

So beating someone up is the same as killing someone? :hmm:

 

[Wreckem]

Actual fucking crime statistics are only statistics of reported crimes.

So you pass a law to make sure that men are arrested for domestic violence and then use the fact that men are arrested for domestic violence as evidence...

wow. Do I really need to explain what is wrong with your methodology?

You do know women get arrested for domestic violence charges ALL THE TIME.

Are you that dense? Domestic violence are STATE CRIMES that APPLY TO MALES AND FEMALES. Again, VAWA is mainly a funding mechanism to support victims of domestic violence.

You have no clue what the fuck you are ever talking about when it comes to laws and legislation.

Infact 99% of this thread and most threads on this board about laws and legislation are total fail because rarely do people actually know anything about x piece of legislation/law other than what they "heard" but insist on putting their own stupid and completely non-informed opinion on it.