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New US Army rifle uses radio controlled bullets..

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what's scary is "these rounds will end up costing less that $30 each"....

I wonder what they cost now.

Amazing how prices drop when some country orders a few billion rounds.
 
alkemyst said:
what's scary is "these rounds will end up costing less that $30 each"....

I wonder what they cost now.

Amazing how prices drop when some country orders a few billion rounds.
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You also have to factor in what you don't have to use if you use this round. So instead of firing a few hundred rounds of 5.56 and some 40mm grenades or even calling in a 2000lb bomb on a building you might be able to do the same job with 1 round airbursting in the middle of the room after being fired through the window.

It overall may very well save money vs. the current methods.
 
Nintendesert said:
You also have to factor in what you don't have to use if you use this round. So instead of firing a few hundred rounds of 5.56 and some 40mm grenades or even calling in a 2000lb bomb on a building you might be able to do the same job with 1 round airbursting in the middle of the room after being fired through the window.

It overall may very well save money vs. the current methods.
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You know, i love tech when it works, that said, i still carry a G3 even though we have some pretty nice high tech solutions that are much lighter and with much better sights.

There are two reasons for this, it works, it's a very powerful rifle.

If this works it can become a very effective system though, i'd like to have a guy in my team that carries one of them, the bullpup design makes it fairly compact too which wouldn't hinder him from carrying something else too.
 
It does not matter how advance weaponries the invaders have because basic booby traps can demoralize the enemies enough till they give up.

IMHO, advance weapons will deter enemies from invading the USA, but advance weapons can't tell friend from foe when the USA is the one that doing the invading of a foreign country.
 
MarkXIX said:
If I recall correctly, the round is programmed just as it leaves the weapon. It is fire and forget, not fire and program along the way as implied in the article and OP.
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Yup. You program the distance, fire the round, observe effects on target, change distance as required and repeat.

The big downside of this weapon system is that it's someone's primary weapon. One less soldier without a rifle. So this thing had better be worth it.
 
How are they without a rifle? Thing only weighs 12 lbs. Which is about a m4 less than SAW which machine gunner carries. I think you could carry both... (notice how I said you😛)
 
alkemyst said:
what's scary is "these rounds will end up costing less that $30 each"....

I wonder what they cost now.

Amazing how prices drop when some country orders a few billion rounds.
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That aint bad. Price 5.56 ammo and realize 1 kill takes 250,000 of them. Do the math. ouch.
 
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iGas said:
It does not matter how advance weaponries the invaders have because basic booby traps can demoralize the enemies enough till they give up.

IMHO, advance weapons will deter enemies from invading the USA, but advance weapons can't tell friend from foe when the USA is the one that doing the invading of a foreign country.
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Yup. All the fancy shit in the world won't help you beat or mold a population that does not want help or change.

Many are police by day Taliban by night. You can't beat that. (least like we fight)
 
lord_emperor said:
If this was ever used to shoot someone directly, it seems it might be illegal under the Hague Convention or the St. Petersburg Declaration, depending on the weight of the projectile.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet
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The rounds from an m-16 are designed to tumble and break apart on impact causing maximum damage to who ever is on the receiving end. The U.S. military has used those in many a battle.

I don't think anyone will be in trouble for using a radio controlled bullet and shooting someone directly.... in fact this big ass bullet seems more humane.
 
Woot! Thank God we have all those subhuman pieces of human feces to test these bullets on! Praise the Lord! FOR FREEDOM AMERICA!
 
Zebo said:
How are they without a rifle? Thing only weighs 12 lbs. Which is about a m4 less than SAW which machine gunner carries. I think you could carry both... (notice how I said you😛)
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As is the case with an M203, the problem isn't the weapon system itself, but it's ammunition. It's bulky and heavy.

IIRC the last time I saw a presentation regarding the XM25 @ Fort Benning a year ago, it was being pitched as your squad grenadier's primary weapon system. Instead of being armed with an M16\M4 & M203 as it is now, he'll be armed with an XM25 and M9.

Like I said before, you're losing a rifleman (and a grenadier has traditionally been a rifleman first) and gaining a much more effective grenadier. But in conflicts with increasingly tight ROE, is that a trade you're willing to make? What happens the first time they put one of these through a window from which they're taking hostile fire, shredding the gunman, a woman and 3 children?

I know the practical answer is, "That son of a bitch shot this woman and her children before he started shooting at us." But that only holds up for so many encounters. Eventually this weapon gets restricted, like the M2 currently is in many urban operating environments, and like the MK19 is in all but the most fierce parts of Afghanistan. Now you've got one less rifleman, and one guy with a pistol.

Just my 2 cents. The XM25 project has been cancelled and restarted numerous times, and it looks like it's finally going to see combat, so we'll see how it goes.
 
Hand made, $1k a shot right now. Dang.

beats dropping a million dollar bomb and paying restitution for the collateral though.
 
I'm a little worried how the media and public will accept this as you really cannot always "see" everything you are killing. Let's say a bad guy shoots are you and hides behind or among kids and women.
Of course this weapon can't be used in all circumstances but I can see cases where things could go wrong. However I'm all for this thing as I can see the benefit of it. I just wouldn't want a whole platoon of these running around 🙂
 
You cant see when shooting mortars or arty either. Or 40mm for that matter.

I'm sure we'll get it in about 10 years. Marines always get newer tech way after its cool.
 
TheNinja said:
I'm a little worried how the media and public will accept this as you really cannot always "see" everything you are killing. Let's say a bad guy shoots are you and hides behind or among kids and women.
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Well, what's the difference? If they can't see them anyway, those people are still going to die when an airstrike or artillery is called in.

If anything, this might give those people some chance. One hopes that women and children would at least be taking refuge in a different room or level of the house.
 
“No longer can the enemy shoot at American forces, then hide behind something,” said Brig. Gen. Peter Fuller of Program Executive Office Soldier. “We’re going to reach out and touch you.”

:biggrin::biggrin:

"each round $1,000 apiece, each made by hand"

😱
 
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