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New updated pc build

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pcslookout

Lifer
I will be using a new maxtor 200 gig 7200 rpm hard drive from my older system because it will still have two other hard drives in it even if I take out the maxtor drive.

LIAN LI PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $89.99

Hauppauge WINTV-PVR-150 PCI Interface Tuner Card - Retail - $71.99

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail - $279.99

ENERMAX Liberty ELT400AWT ATX12V 400W Power Supply - Retail - $79.99

CORSAIR ValueSelect 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model VS2GBKIT533D2 - Retail - $109.99

GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $104.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6400 - Retail - $196.00

Total of $932.94 plus $33.01 shipping which makes it a grand total of $965.95

 
I would highly suggest you change your ram. The P965 natively supports DDR2 800 which can be had for $10-$20 more.

Also you can get an E6420 with more L2 cache for the same price.
 
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
I would highly suggest you change your ram. The P965 natively supports DDR2 800 which can be had for $10-$20 more.

Also you can get an E6420 with more L2 cache for the same price.
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Thanks. How much will this two upgraded options help please?

I don't know if I plan on overclocking or not. I don't think so because my room gets really hot and I really don't want to risk it.
 
The extra cache in the E6420 isn't a huge upgrade (5% more performance roughly) but if its the same price as the E6400 you might as well get it instead. And that DDR2 800 ram will just help reduce any bottleneck that might be created by slower ram.

Here's kit of Geil DDR2 800 that does cas 4 latency (the lower the latency the better) for only $130. And if you ever plan on overclocking reviews indicate it should be up to the task.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062
 
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
The extra cache in the E6420 isn't a huge upgrade (5% more performance roughly) but if its the same price as the E6400 you might as well get it instead. And that DDR2 800 ram will just help reduce any bottleneck that might be created by slower ram.

Here's kit of Geil DDR2 800 that does cas 4 latency (the lower the latency the better) for only $130. And if you ever plan on overclocking reviews indicate it should be up to the task.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062
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Thanks. People have been telling me here that this is a better path for upgrade room as well. How much will I be able to upgrade if I ever want to make my pc faster ?
 
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
The extra cache in the E6420 isn't a huge upgrade (5% more performance roughly) but if its the same price as the E6400 you might as well get it instead. And that DDR2 800 ram will just help reduce any bottleneck that might be created by slower ram.

Here's kit of Geil DDR2 800 that does cas 4 latency (the lower the latency the better) for only $130. And if you ever plan on overclocking reviews indicate it should be up to the task.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062
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Thanks. People have been telling me here that this is a better path for upgrade room as well. How much will I be able to upgrade if I ever want to make my pc faster ?
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I think you could slap in quad core CPU and 2 more gigs of RAM.
Faster for what? If games, you could also swap video card and (possibly) power supply - in future.
Lastly, you can get a Raptor hard drive, but that isn't as effective as CPU/RAM/VGA.
 
Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
The extra cache in the E6420 isn't a huge upgrade (5% more performance roughly) but if its the same price as the E6400 you might as well get it instead. And that DDR2 800 ram will just help reduce any bottleneck that might be created by slower ram.

Here's kit of Geil DDR2 800 that does cas 4 latency (the lower the latency the better) for only $130. And if you ever plan on overclocking reviews indicate it should be up to the task.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144062
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Thanks. People have been telling me here that this is a better path for upgrade room as well. How much will I be able to upgrade if I ever want to make my pc faster ?
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I think you could slap in quad core CPU and 2 more gigs of RAM.
Faster for what? If games, you could also swap video card and (possibly) power supply - in future.
Lastly, you can get a Raptor hard drive, but that isn't as effective as CPU/RAM/VGA.
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I guess faster for overall computer use and gaming. Whichever one I need first, which I am thinking would be gaming be how fast can you make opening firefox, imaging a hard drive, installing programs, and using your pc while running a lot in the background like antivirus, encoding video, and imaging your hard drive.

i keep hearing people say a Raptor hard drive isn't the best upgrade but some people say otherwise. I guess it depends on how snappy you want your pc to feel and if you want the snappiness constantly or not.
 
Will my current pc specs I have in my first post or if I upgrade the ram and processor with what Phantomaniac posted will I be able to make this pc run PVR software in the background without a huge impact on using my pc at the same time while heavy gaming, encoding video, or on the anandtech forums ?
 
Will the current power supply handle the video card I have selected it say 26 Amps needed on 12 V but I am only finding power supplies with 20 to 22 Amps? Maybe I am reading it wrong?
 
Would the PVR software be recording video while you plan to game or encode video? Because most people have separate media center PCs for that purpose. Gaming is very CPU intensive and wouldn't reccomend recording video while gaming even on a dual core. Maybe a quad-core + 4gb of ram might fair better, but for the price it would cost to upgrade to quad-core + 4gb ram you could just build a separate media center PC.
 
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
Would the PVR software be recording video while you plan to game or encode video? Because most people have separate media center PCs for that purpose. Gaming is very CPU intensive and wouldn't reccomend recording video while gaming even on a dual core. Maybe a quad-core + 4gb of ram might fair better, but for the price it would cost to upgrade to quad-core + 4gb ram you could just build a separate media center PC.
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Yes but like you said I think I may either try record but not game at the same time for that hour or two. That or use the new tv tuner card in my older pc for now so it can be its own machine just for pvr when needed.
 
What is the processor on your old PC? If its at least a Pentium 4 around 2ghz or an Athlon equivalent it should work fine as a dedicated PVR.
 
You could get an Enhance 450 or 500 watt PSU. Those are highly recommended around here and are 60-70 dollars at Ewiz. Make sure you get the models that end in GH. Couple that with the 2gigs of Supertalent DDR2 667 ram for 91 dollars at Ewiz (theres a huge thread about that stuff in Hot Deals). That will save you a few extra bucks🙂.

Just to tell you Phontomaniac, DDR2 677 ram is not a bottleneck in any way on a system with an E6400/6420. The Cpu only operates at 266FSB, so DDR2 667 is enough. DDR2 800 gives you room for OC'ing, which the Supertalent should be able to reach.
 
Originally posted by: Cheezeit
You could get an Enhance 450 or 500 watt PSU. Those are highly recommended around here and are 60-70 dollars at Ewiz. Make sure you get the models that end in GH. Couple that with the 2gigs of Supertalent DDR2 667 ram for 91 dollars at Ewiz (theres a huge thread about that stuff in Hot Deals). That will save you a few extra bucks🙂.

Just to tell you Phontomaniac, DDR2 677 ram is not a bottleneck in any way on a system with an E6400/6420. The Cpu only operates at 266FSB, so DDR2 667 is enough. DDR2 800 gives you room for OC'ing, which the Supertalent should be able to reach.
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I suppose its not, but given the very minimal price difference between the value kits of DDR2 533, 667, and 800 I figured he might as well go with the 800. There are cheaper DDR2 800 kits than the one I recommended as well.
 
Originally posted by: Phantomaniac
Originally posted by: Cheezeit
You could get an Enhance 450 or 500 watt PSU. Those are highly recommended around here and are 60-70 dollars at Ewiz. Make sure you get the models that end in GH. Couple that with the 2gigs of Supertalent DDR2 667 ram for 91 dollars at Ewiz (theres a huge thread about that stuff in Hot Deals). That will save you a few extra bucks🙂.

Just to tell you Phontomaniac, DDR2 677 ram is not a bottleneck in any way on a system with an E6400/6420. The Cpu only operates at 266FSB, so DDR2 667 is enough. DDR2 800 gives you room for OC'ing, which the Supertalent should be able to reach.
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I suppose its not, but given the very minimal price difference between the value kits of DDR2 533, 667, and 800 I figured he might as well go with the 800. There are cheaper DDR2 800 kits than the one I recommended as well.
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Actually, I typed the 667 kit's price wrong, its 81 dollars. The E6400/6420 operates at 266FSB x 8 multi for 2.13 ghz. DDR 667 operates at 333 mhz, which is already 67 mhz higher than the 266 FSB. Unless he overclocks, there is already 67 mhz of wasted, untapped performance. Any higher speed ram like DDR 800 is only more wasted speed/ money. I'd say take the extra 20-30 you save and spend it on something like a DVD drive, which the OP didn't mention, or more beer and just be happy 😉
 
Originally posted by: Cheezeit

Actually, I typed the 667 kit's price wrong, its 81 dollars. The E6400/6420 operates at 266FSB x 8 multi for 2.13 ghz. DDR 667 operates at 333 mhz, which is already 67 mhz higher than the 266 FSB. Unless he overclocks, there is already 67 mhz of wasted, untapped performance. Any higher speed ram like DDR 800 is only more wasted speed/ money. I'd say take the extra 20-30 you save and spend it on something like a DVD drive, which the OP didn't mention, or more beer and just be happy 😉
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Why do you think we have dividers? He can make full use of the bandwidth of either DDR2 667 or 800 by going into the bios and setting the divider to 5:4 for 667, or 3:2 for 800.
266FSB x 1.25 (5:4 divider) = 333 x 2 (double data rate) = 667
266FSB x 1.5 (3:2 divider) = 400 x 2 (double data rate) = 800

I'm sure you could debate the actual performance advantage of 667mhz vs 800mhz, but there is no doubt he could get either kit to run at its rated speed.
 
*multiplier. The memory ratio should be 2:3 for DDR2-800 to run at its normal speed and 4:5 for DDR2-667 to run at its rated speed.
 
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Roguestar
22A continually and 20A "optimally" according to the Enermax website.
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Are you sure ? That doesn't make sense.
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For the last time...yes it does!
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Well according to me and other people here it has only 20 Amps but 30 Amps combined.
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JonnyGURU said 20A, I said 20 A, Roguestar said 20A...
 
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: pcslookout
Originally posted by: Roguestar
22A continually and 20A "optimally" according to the Enermax website.
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Are you sure ? That doesn't make sense.
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For the last time...yes it does!
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Well according to me and other people here it has only 20 Amps but 30 Amps combined.
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THEIR OWN WEBSITE SAYS EXACTLY WHAT I POSTED. I'm not trying to lie to you to sabotage your PC or blow up your home wiring or shock you to death. Jeez.
 
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