new Tuniq 120 installation did not drop temp.

[nyker96]

I recently bought a Tuniq 120 for my rig, after swapping out my venerable Freezer pro 7, I ran the same load tests using ortho and discovered the temp difference is only 3 degrees at load.

freezer 7: idle: 31-32, load: 56-58
Tuniq 120: idle 30ish, load: 53-56

Why do you guys think this is so? I even running this Tuniq at max 2000rpm. My current guess is the Tuniq 120 will lleave freezer 7 in the dust if the CPU is very very hot like in case of Q6600 OCed past 3 etc. It probably don't make any difference at lower temperatures.

I wonder if anyone here even try to run a Q6600 OCed past 3 Ghz with a freezer 7 caliber HSF? I heard off another forum other day that a guy who used stock HSF on Q6600 almost burnt that chip out while load testing using ortho, I think the retail HSF must just crapped out and gave up.

 

[MarcVenice]

I guess your freezer 7 was allready performing pretty well. Try lapping the tuniq and you should see a nice improvement ^^

 

[nyker96]

yes, I have thought about lapping this guy, the contacts looks so rough. but another thing is installation on my small case is such a pain I'm wary of doing it again. I wish there's a easier way to do it, the thumb nail just killed my finger tips.

 

[Noubourne]

The Tuniq shows superior performance in tests at handling loads that the AF7 cannot. Your first intuition is correct.

If you do not put the Tuniq under a load that the AF7 cannot handle, you will not see much of a difference in performance.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: Noubourne
The Tuniq shows superior performance in tests at handling loads that the AF7 cannot. Your first intuition is correct.

If you do not put the Tuniq under a load that the AF7 cannot handle, you will not see much of a difference in performance.

yeah, I guess the large Tuniq surface area is great when the heat is high. Anyhow, I actually bought it because I'm planning to go Q6600 G0 next year and I know for a fact AF7 can't handle the Quads when OCed past 3Ghz.

 

[RussianSensation]

Those temperatures do not make a lot of sense. On my Gigabyte 965P-DS3 v1.0 I was getting 51*C at full load with E6400 @ 3.4ghz @ 1.3625V on Big Typhoon @ 1400rpm speed fan only. The Tuniq is superior to the Big Typhoon.

How is the Tuniq installed? Is the fan facing a back case exchaust fan so that the hot air can leave the case? Or is it blowing on the power supply instead? If the power supply doesn't have a bottom facing intake fan, then there is not enough room for hot air to escape the cooler and a hot zone is created between the PSU and the Tuniq exchaust fan.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Those temperatures do not make a lot of sense. On my Gigabyte 965P-DS3 v1.0 I was getting 51*C at full load with E6400 @ 3.4ghz @ 1.3625V on Big Typhoon @ 1400rpm speed fan only. The Tuniq is superior to the Big Typhoon.

How is the Tuniq installed? Is the fan facing a back case exchaust fan so that the hot air can leave the case? Or is it blowing on the power supply instead? If the power supply doesn't have a bottom facing intake fan, then there is not enough room for hot air to escape the cooler and a hot zone is created between the PSU and the Tuniq exchaust fan.

I got it installed facing the back case exhaust fan. so the hot air can leave the case. BTW these readings from speedfan 4.32 under 100% ortho load. what do you use to measure temp?

 

[zero2dash]

Somewhat like Noubourne said, I think your temp similarity has to do with the cpu you're cooling.

I don't see how the AF7 would do too well on a quad cpu based on what I've seen of the cooler. I've flip flopped between buying an AF7 and a Tuniq and think I've [finally] settled on a Tuniq and told myself not to mull over it anymore.

I'm not saying the AF7 can't cool a quad, but compared to the Tuniq I'd say you'd look at farther out spread numbers in the Tuniq's favor.

~just my two cents

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: zero2dash
Somewhat like Noubourne said, I think your temp similarity has to do with the cpu you're cooling.

I don't see how the AF7 would do too well on a quad cpu based on what I've seen of the cooler. I've flip flopped between buying an AF7 and a Tuniq and think I've [finally] settled on a Tuniq and told myself not to mull over it anymore.

I'm not saying the AF7 can't cool a quad, but compared to the Tuniq I'd say you'd look at farther out spread numbers in the Tuniq's favor.

~just my two cents

yes, I think on quads Tuniq can handle OC speeds that few other HSFs can do. This is actually the reason I got it, just paving the road to my next quad upgrad, probably with a Q6600 G0 next year. I might jump to a 4mb C2D before that eventuality but I think going quad will be inevitable in the near future especially iwth upcoming games//apps optimized for it now. Heard UT2007 uses quad and of course Allen Wake. And all the major graphics/video apps are soon to come with new quad capable versions.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: nyker96
I recently bought a Tuniq 120 for my rig, after swapping out my venerable Freezer pro 7, I ran the same load tests using ortho and discovered the temp difference is only 3 degrees at load.

freezer 7: idle: 31-32, load: 56-58
Tuniq 120: idle 30ish, load: 53-56

Why do you guys think this is so? I even running this Tuniq at max 2000rpm. My current guess is the Tuniq 120 will lleave freezer 7 in the dust if the CPU is very very hot like in case of Q6600 OCed past 3 etc. It probably don't make any difference at lower temperatures.

I wonder if anyone here even try to run a Q6600 OCed past 3 Ghz with a freezer 7 caliber HSF? I heard off another forum other day that a guy who used stock HSF on Q6600 almost burnt that chip out while load testing using ortho, I think the retail HSF must just crapped out and gave up.

I see about a 3-4C delta between the Ultra Extreme and my Big Typhoon. BT's advantage is the ability to use the room's temperature air via my side vent. E4300 @ 3.46GHz with 1.465Vcore. Ambient is ~84F.

 

[zero2dash]

Originally posted by: nyker96
This is actually the reason I got it, just paving the road to my next quad upgrad, probably with a Q6600 G0 next year.

Yep, that's what I'm getting as well. (Actually, I'm not holding out on Q6600 for a G0, I have to wait regardless for either a) a surplus in monthly funds/a bill decrease or b) tax refund.

But yep...Q6600 is what I'm going to buy, with a slight modest O/C *planned* (just FSB from 1066 to 1333)...but I do emphasize *planned* because I can't help but think that I'll have the opportunity to go above just a simple FSB O/C and will therefore do so.

I refuse to deal with the stock cooler temps or noise, so I knew I'd get an aftermarket...and the Tuniq seems like the one to get. Seems like its up there, top 5 on temps every time, but a little less expensive than a Ultra120.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: zero2dash

Originally posted by: nyker96
This is actually the reason I got it, just paving the road to my next quad upgrad, probably with a Q6600 G0 next year.

Yep, that's what I'm getting as well. (Actually, I'm not holding out on Q6600 for a G0, I have to wait regardless for either a) a surplus in monthly funds/a bill decrease or b) tax refund.

But yep...Q6600 is what I'm going to buy, with a slight modest O/C *planned* (just FSB from 1066 to 1333)...but I do emphasize *planned* because I can't help but think that I'll have the opportunity to go above just a simple FSB O/C and will therefore do so.

I refuse to deal with the stock cooler temps or noise, so I knew I'd get an aftermarket...and the Tuniq seems like the one to get. Seems like its up there, top 5 on temps every time, but a little less expensive than a Ultra120.

I was planning to get a Ultra 120 X, but that thing definitely won't fit my case. So I just said I'll get the Tuniq 120, and save me some money from getting a extremely silent 120mm which is like 10-12 bucks by itself. But since I figure I'll need it for the quad might as well buy it now and can use it for a while, so just pull the trigger when I saw it onsale a week ago. yes I just plan on OC the Q6600 to FSB333 or 3Ghz or so. I really hate to deal with heat issue, just need something to work reliably. I might actually get a 4mb core 2 as a middle step before going Q6600 if the price is still at 300ish next year.

 

[bryanW1995]

the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: nyker96

I got it installed facing the back case exhaust fan. so the hot air can leave the case. BTW these readings from speedfan 4.32 under 100% ortho load. what do you use to measure temp?

Core Temp v0.94 and Intel Thermal Analysis Tool.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

Now you got me wondering if I'd made a mistake during installation. I can actually see it makes decent contact with the CPU and it doesn't budge at all when I try to move it so my thumb screws should be pretty tightened up. beside it comes right up to the back case fan, which means I got 2x 120mm pulling air through it. that should be very cold but I still get like 55C under load with speedfan 4.32 or about 30C to Tjunction with coretemp 0.95. I don't think either one lied to me but yes, I was expecting a lot more than a even matched result comparing to AF7.

I'm also wondering if my SuperLanboy case is the problem due to limited ventilation. I'll post up some pictures shortly, see if any of you with a good eye can point out any obvious problems from my setup. Hey bryan you got installation pictures you can post up for your Tuniq setup? I'd like to check it out to see if I missed anything.

 

[nyker96]

I checked out a few other forum threads on this, I think I might have put way too much AS5 on that CPU, some dude said he did that the first time and got very high temperatures, and when he reseated it, just placed a thin slice of translucent AS5 on it and it droped temp by 10C!! I think I'll reseat it when I get a chance this coming weekend and use just a little bit of AS5 see how it goes.

 

[mrfatboy]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

What speed settings to you have set on all your fans in your Antec 900 case?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: nyker96
I checked out a few other forum threads on this, I think I might have put way too much AS5 on that CPU, some dude said he did that the first time and got very high temperatures, and when he reseated it, just placed a thin slice of translucent AS5 on it and it droped temp by 10C!! I think I'll reseat it when I get a chance this coming weekend and use just a little bit of AS5 see how it goes.

Usually what I do is spread a line per the instructions at the AS5 website. Then After I seat the heatsink and do a slight twist with pressure I lift it off and wipe the excess off the base of the heatsink with some alcohol on a lint free towel, letting it dry for a few minutes. Then I seat the heatsink back down and tighten it. This insures I do not have too much but also filled the gaps properly.

It worked consistantly for me.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Usually what I do is spread a line per the instructions at the AS5 website. Then After I seat the heatsink and do a slight twist with pressure I lift it off and wipe the excess off the base of the heatsink with some alcohol on a lint free towel, letting it dry for a few minutes. Then I seat the heatsink back down and tighten it. This insures I do not have too much but also filled the gaps properly.

It worked consistantly for me.

yes, you definitely right, I just haven't done this for a while totally clueless how to do it now, I must have applied like 5x the recommended volumn like 3 heavy streaks of the stuff and it's like oozing out of the CPU edge. Anyways, I'm reseating this this coming weekend and do it right. I even heard some people who lapped Tuniq didn't even use thermal compounds and they are ok. I guess it's only used if the surface is uneven. Anyhow another little quirk I found is that I tightened the 4 thumb nails differently, so the H bracket is bent unevenly, I guess that might cause problem as well, making the HSF prop up on one side and not make contact possibly. I'd have to be care with that as well. BUt thanks for the tips. I personally use 90% alcohol with a Q-tip for cleaning.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

Now you got me wondering if I'd made a mistake during installation. I can actually see it makes decent contact with the CPU and it doesn't budge at all when I try to move it so my thumb screws should be pretty tightened up. beside it comes right up to the back case fan, which means I got 2x 120mm pulling air through it. that should be very cold but I still get like 55C under load with speedfan 4.32 or about 30C to Tjunction with coretemp 0.95. I don't think either one lied to me but yes, I was expecting a lot more than a even matched result comparing to AF7.

I'm also wondering if my SuperLanboy case is the problem due to limited ventilation. I'll post up some pictures shortly, see if any of you with a good eye can point out any obvious problems from my setup. Hey bryan you got installation pictures you can post up for your Tuniq setup? I'd like to check it out to see if I missed anything.

I need to get my wife's computer up and running since all the camera software is on it but I'll post the pics once I do. I'm using an antec p900 case, it does have fantastic ventilation with two 120mm intakes in front, one 120 exhaust in back, and one 200 exhaust on top. I ususally run on med on the two intakes and top fan and low on the rear exhaust. When I crank down the oc down to 3.5 or lower I usually run in more of a silent mode with all fans including tuniq on low. I have the tuniq blowing at the rear exhaust but I think that I'll eventually change it to blow at the top exhaust...I never thought of doing that until reading it in 5 places...duh...

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

Now you got me wondering if I'd made a mistake during installation. I can actually see it makes decent contact with the CPU and it doesn't budge at all when I try to move it so my thumb screws should be pretty tightened up. beside it comes right up to the back case fan, which means I got 2x 120mm pulling air through it. that should be very cold but I still get like 55C under load with speedfan 4.32 or about 30C to Tjunction with coretemp 0.95. I don't think either one lied to me but yes, I was expecting a lot more than a even matched result comparing to AF7.

I'm also wondering if my SuperLanboy case is the problem due to limited ventilation. I'll post up some pictures shortly, see if any of you with a good eye can point out any obvious problems from my setup. Hey bryan you got installation pictures you can post up for your Tuniq setup? I'd like to check it out to see if I missed anything.

I need to get my wife's computer up and running since all the camera software is on it but I'll post the pics once I do. I'm using an antec p900 case, it does have fantastic ventilation with two 120mm intakes in front, one 120 exhaust in back, and one 200 exhaust on top. I ususally run on med on the two intakes and top fan and low on the rear exhaust. When I crank down the oc down to 3.5 or lower I usually run in more of a silent mode with all fans including tuniq on low. I have the tuniq blowing at the rear exhaust but I think that I'll eventually change it to blow at the top exhaust...I never thought of doing that until reading it in 5 places...duh...

yes, I used not pay too much attention to ventilation, but after this installation, I realize my lanboy is just too small a case to talk about airflow. I need a P182/190 or something like your P900 that has at least 4-5 font+back+top fans. I just have a single front+a single back, hardly any airflow. Yes you right, if you got top exhaust, I'd switch to vent out to top probably better since more natural for hot air to rise.

 

[mrfatboy]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
the tuniq should definitely show more improvement than just 3-4c. I know that the install is a pain but when you eventually take it out (perhaps during the above-mentioned 4mb upgrade) then you should definitely make sure that it is making proper cpu contact and might need to lap it. Right now I'm at 1.54v and 3584 on my e6750, and I'm at 34c idle/58c 100% load with the fan on 1500 rpm. This seems much more in line with what I saw from other users before deciding on the tuniq.

Now you got me wondering if I'd made a mistake during installation. I can actually see it makes decent contact with the CPU and it doesn't budge at all when I try to move it so my thumb screws should be pretty tightened up. beside it comes right up to the back case fan, which means I got 2x 120mm pulling air through it. that should be very cold but I still get like 55C under load with speedfan 4.32 or about 30C to Tjunction with coretemp 0.95. I don't think either one lied to me but yes, I was expecting a lot more than a even matched result comparing to AF7.

I'm also wondering if my SuperLanboy case is the problem due to limited ventilation. I'll post up some pictures shortly, see if any of you with a good eye can point out any obvious problems from my setup. Hey bryan you got installation pictures you can post up for your Tuniq setup? I'd like to check it out to see if I missed anything.

I need to get my wife's computer up and running since all the camera software is on it but I'll post the pics once I do. I'm using an antec p900 case, it does have fantastic ventilation with two 120mm intakes in front, one 120 exhaust in back, and one 200 exhaust on top. I ususally run on med on the two intakes and top fan and low on the rear exhaust. When I crank down the oc down to 3.5 or lower I usually run in more of a silent mode with all fans including tuniq on low. I have the tuniq blowing at the rear exhaust but I think that I'll eventually change it to blow at the top exhaust...I never thought of doing that until reading it in 5 places...duh...

Do you really think turning the Tuniq upward is really going to do anything? With how I have my antec 900 case configured i can't imagine it would be any difference at all. My tuniq is facing to the rear.

I have one 120mm intake fan right on the Tuniq. Then there is the tuniq's fan. Then the 120 exhaust fan right behind it. Then the 200mm fan above.

One could make a case that that having the tuniq facing the rear creates nicer airflow. Intake straight thru tuniq and out the back. With the top fan pumping out any residual heat that rises from the tuniq et al.

If you turn the tuniq upward you don't get the nice cross venitalation with the fresh air from the front instake.

Wind tunnel test anyone?

 

[bryanW1995]

good point. It would be nice in my old setup, however, where I had the case in one of those restrictive computer desks that limited airflow. It had much more room to vent air out the top than the back since the back was very close to the wall, too. Now that I have the case in the open with nice airflow it shouldn't make difference where I point the tuniq.