How many people fvcking gun it through a red light like you described? When this happens, it's usually because of brake failure, ice, etc.. not cause the guy saw the light was already red and gunned it anyway. There's a difference between entering an intersection just as the light turns red and when the crossing traffic is already moving. I just can't support automated ticket red light cameras. Maybe install the cameras and then use them to check for guilt when an accident has occurred, but not to give out tickets...
How many people fvcking gun it through a red light like you described? When this happens, it's usually because of brake failure, ice, etc.. not cause the guy saw the light was already red and gunned it anyway. There's a difference between entering an intersection just as the light turns red and when the crossing traffic is already moving. I just can't support automated ticket red light cameras. Maybe install the cameras and then use them to check for guilt when an accident has occurred, but not to give out tickets...
That's how you're supposed to turn left. If you don't do that, at many intersections you'll never be able to turn left at all.
New Toyota sends data to Police automatically when you speed:
Subject: Politech: Toyota Concept Car Rats You Out to Speed-Trap Cameras
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:32:07 -0700
From: Jed S. Baer <thag@frii.com>
Organization: heap
To: declan@well.com
Hi Declan.
Related to the thread on RLC cameras, here's something from the Sydney
Morning Herald
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/26/1077676900598.html (Via Fark)
Disputing a speed-camera fine could soon be a thing of the past. Today,
Toyota will unveil a car that takes away the guesswork when it comes to
identifying the leadfoot in the family.
Finding the rightful recipient of the ticket could be as simple as sliding
in a mobile phone-style SIM-card instead of a key. The card would contain
details of the driver's licence and address.
Wireless technology would allow the car to communicate with the speed
camera, and the fine could be deducted from the driver's credit card
before he or she even made it home. But would anyone buy such a car?
At the moment, NSW law requires motorists who dispute a speed-camera fine
to sign a statutory declaration that the driver was not the registered
owner. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some motorists "share" their
points with family members who may be reaching their demerit points limit.
There would be no such loophole with the Sportivo Coupe - if it were to be
sold in showrooms. It is what the industry refers to as a concept car - a
design tease for the Melbourne Motor Show, which opens today.
But its telematics systems are no trivial matter, according to the project
manager, Paul Beranger.
"Telematics are going to be a part of our future, whether we like it or
not," he said.
The smart card would not only open the doors for an authorised driver, but
also set an individual's driving position, favourite radio stations and
phone numbers.
Depending on the driver's experience and grade of licence, the card could
control the engine power. And each driver's licence number could be
displayed on the car's exterior instead of a number- plate.
As well, the car's electronic speedometer relies on signals from speed
advisory signs to display the speed limit inside the car. The speedo dial
reconfigures itself so that the prevailing limit sits at the easy-to-read
12 o'clock position.
jed
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... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday
facilitate a police state. ---Bruce Schneier
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Subject: Politech: Toyota Concept Car Rats You Out to Speed-Trap Cameras
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:32:07 -0700
From: Jed S. Baer <thag@frii.com>
Organization: heap
To: declan@well.com
Hi Declan.
Related to the thread on RLC cameras, here's something from the Sydney
Morning Herald
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/26/1077676900598.html (Via Fark)
Disputing a speed-camera fine could soon be a thing of the past. Today,
Toyota will unveil a car that takes away the guesswork when it comes to
identifying the leadfoot in the family.
Finding the rightful recipient of the ticket could be as simple as sliding
in a mobile phone-style SIM-card instead of a key. The card would contain
details of the driver's licence and address.
Wireless technology would allow the car to communicate with the speed
camera, and the fine could be deducted from the driver's credit card
before he or she even made it home. But would anyone buy such a car?
At the moment, NSW law requires motorists who dispute a speed-camera fine
to sign a statutory declaration that the driver was not the registered
owner. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some motorists "share" their
points with family members who may be reaching their demerit points limit.
There would be no such loophole with the Sportivo Coupe - if it were to be
sold in showrooms. It is what the industry refers to as a concept car - a
design tease for the Melbourne Motor Show, which opens today.
But its telematics systems are no trivial matter, according to the project
manager, Paul Beranger.
"Telematics are going to be a part of our future, whether we like it or
not," he said.
The smart card would not only open the doors for an authorised driver, but
also set an individual's driving position, favourite radio stations and
phone numbers.
Depending on the driver's experience and grade of licence, the card could
control the engine power. And each driver's licence number could be
displayed on the car's exterior instead of a number- plate.
As well, the car's electronic speedometer relies on signals from speed
advisory signs to display the speed limit inside the car. The speedo dial
reconfigures itself so that the prevailing limit sits at the easy-to-read
12 o'clock position.
jed
--
http://s88369986.onlinehome.us/freedomsight/
... it is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday
facilitate a police state. ---Bruce Schneier
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Politech mailing list
Archived at http://www.politechbot.com/
Moderated by Declan McCullagh (http://www.mccullagh.org/)
"Telematics are going to be a part of our future, whether we like it or not"
All new autos will have this, then what will you do?
Ride a horse or bicycle, maybe?
Seriously, yeah, this initiative really sucks. Big brother seems alive and well.
Makes want to keep my "old" modified Mustang forever so I can keep driving just as fast as I like..heh.
I guess once the engine get's tired enough, I'll just throw in a FMS 347 Stroker...heh.
I guess once the engine get's tired enough, I'll just throw in a FMS 347 Stroker...heh.
Originally posted by: burnedout
Ride a horse or bicycle, maybe?
Seriously, yeah, this initiative really sucks. Big brother seems alive and well.
Ride a horse or bicycle, maybe?
That would be awesome and a sight to see as well as smell (but better than smog) and it would certainly knock down our thirst for Saudi Oil.
Nitemare
Lifer
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Vic
Right...
That is enforced about as well as how cops enforce against red light runners (which is not at all, I saw someone run a light right in front of a cop this morning).
When the city of Beaverton, OR (population 80,000) put up its Lockheed-Martin red light cameras 2 years ago, they also reduced the yellow light time at those intersections with cameras to 1.8 seconds. A local TV station caught them out. To this day, they have not increased the yellow light time at those intersections.
I never run a red light. Ever. I think red light runners are a worse danger on the road than drunk drivers. But I still think red light cameras are not the way to go. Law enforcement should not be done solely for the purpose of generating revenue.
And your "if you don't break the law, you have nothing worry about" logic would have made great sense in Nazi Germany. Just saying that proves your idiot about the law.
If the city does not change the light cycle and they are taken to court regarding the length of the yellow by a red light runner, then the ticket can be voided by the judge using the statistics that are provided. The judge would also then have the authority to foce the city to correct the light timing.
All the camera is doing is increase the sense that one will pay a penalty for running the red light.
If you are not running the red, why worry about the camera.
If the camera is used for purposes other than intended, then I can accept the argument that they need to be removed or the original intent be enforced.
Are they reimbursed for missing work to protest this?
[car owner]
But he was driving a car, it is his good right to break laws and kill people while he does that!
[/car owner]
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