Surrender that the Japanese government was originally just toying with (with no real backing stakeholders) would have kept them with their illegitimate holdings in China and Korea, and a military government that would have been happy to restart a war in a generation after they had time to regroup and rebuild.
And you continue to ignore the atrocities the Japanese were inflicting on the peoples of Korea, China, and South East Asia. I don't think it would have been fair to them to leave them under Imperial Japan's boot.
I'm not ignoring the Japanese atrocities. But the
Japanese were beaten at this point, are you suggesting that because of the atrocities, their
civilians deserved to be nuked and the USA was taking revenge on behalf of the Chinese? If not, then why bring it up? They were beaten. This isn't like kicking an enemy when they were down, this is like pouring gasoline on them, and lighting them on fire to watch them squirm.
But I guess you just know better than Douglas MacArthur, the General in charge, and they just deserved to be nuked.
You are so keen on the Japanese needing to be nuked, I'm surprised you aren't MAGA, this is exactly the kind of "Great" that MAGA celebrates.
Claiming the Japanese had to be nuked is exactly the kind of Historical glorification of the myth of American Exceptionalism MAGA is doing when Hegseth recently announced that won't be any revocations for
medals of honor given for the Massacre of women and children at Wounded Knee.
The USA's own United States Strategic Bombing Survey concluded:
"Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."
But I'm sure they were just a bunch of leftist democrats. Republicans (back when America was "great") never would have concluded that.
Your certainty of this necessity, doesn't reflect the uncertainty and debate that is in the world about this topic.
Someone that grows up inside the culture, that is the only one to ever unleash the horrors of nuclear weapons on people, and thus has to justify it somehow almost inevitably sees it differently than say those who grew up in the culture that instead suffered those horrors. I note that you didn't even comment on the Japanese perspective at all...
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