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Athlongamer

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I'm a noob when it comes to linux and i was wonder what version? i guess would be the best for me....I typically just play games on my computer such as CS:Source, UT2004, FEAR, CoD...etc. I have heard about Cedega which seems awsome but everything still seems foggy to me...is Cedega a version of Linux or a program or emulator or what?....How many version or w/e they're called are there of Linux?

Any help would be great guys...Thanks

Jordan
 

phisrow

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In the context of Linux, "version" can mean one of two things. It can mean kernel version number and/or issuing entity(e.g. a vanilla sources.org kernel, vs. a redhat kernel or similar), in which case there are dozens. It usually just boils down to 2.4 or 2.6, though, with the former being the older; but highly tested and the latter being newer and more featureful; but subject to greater change. You would probably end up running a 2.6, these days, unless you have a specific reason not to.

The other sense of "version" is "distribution". There are hundreds of distros; but a relatively small number of them matter much. One usually speaks about them according to package manager, as that ends up defining the experience. There are the Apt based distros, my personal favorite of the moment. Debian is the big name there, as they brought Apt to the scene, and have a huge set of packages, and lots of supported architectures. Their quality and stability are also well regarded. However, they aren't known for a snappy release schedule, and they are, therefore, more popular with server, embedded, and slightly old-school workstation users, than with hip-'n-flashy desktop users. Ubuntu, based on Debian and Apt; but released more aggressively and with the latest features, is the new new thing among desktop users. Both of these distros are quite good, which one you want will depend on what you wish to do.

The RPM based distros, of which RedHat is the iconic example, are the other main option. People often don't like RPM as much as Apt, though it has gotten better in recent years; but these have the advantage of being more "corporate" which means a certain degree of polish, standardization, and support that the indie projects don't always have(though the indies have their own advantages, and I happen to like them better). SUSE is the other big RPM based corporate player, and is generally well regarded. Fedora is RedHat's community beta, more or less, and so is the free version that many RPM users run. OpenSUSE is the SUSE analog to Fedora. There are also, because of the GPL, distros like Whitebox, which are recompiled versions of the commercial releases, with all proprietary content stripped out; but with pretty much full compatibility.

The Portage based distros are relatively scarce. Gentoo is the big player here, which is appropriate as they invented the system(well, some might say adapted the idea from the *BSDs; but that's another issue). Gentoo emphasizes customization and bleeding edge features through custom compilation. There are a few distros based on Gentoo, mostly designed to make it easier to install.

Then there is the "other" category. Distros like Slackware and Linux from Scratch, among others, that aren't defined by one of the big packaging systems. Often very popular with a certain userbase; but not as common as the big two Apt and RPM.

Take a look at Distrowatch.org for more concrete details.

For your purposes, I'm not quite sure what to recommend. You'll probably want a fairly modern, not too difficult desktop oriented system. Ubuntu would be my off the cuff recommendation. I would warn you, though, that while desktop Linux is really quite good these days(I'm on my second year of using that alone, and on a laptop, and maybe 5th year of making decently heavy use of it), it isn't the gamer's platform of choice. Some games, mostly those based on Id engines, or the Unreal engine, have native binaries. These aren't so hard to get working, assuming your graphics card works(which isn't hard if you have an NVIDIA, can be a dodgey business with an ATI, though they do suck less than they used to). Other games that only come in Windows versions can be run with WINE, a package that you install on top of Linux, or Cedega, the commercial version of WINE, designed for game support. Sometimes this works just fine, other times it doesn't work at all. Sometimes it is just in between. It isn't hopeless by any means, and all the trends are in the right direction; but gamers will probably be the last people to be wholly satisfied with Linux.

I recommend: Start by downloading and burning some LiveCDs, from various distros. This'll cost you nothing but bandwidth and blanks, and give you an idea of how Linux feels, and how well it plays with your hardware(probably pretty well; but it is better to have a nasty surprise with a LiveCD, than halfway through an install). Next, either set up a dual boot or secondary HDD on your main box for Linux, or load it on an older secondary box. Play with it, as much as you can, get to know the software. This will allow you to move ahead at your own pace, with no nasty surprises. If you get to the point where you feel comfortable going all the way, I heartily encourage you to do so. If you continue to need the Windows partion for a few programs and games, no big deal. Have fun with it.
 

Sunner

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For gaming that video card will be a problem.
Like phisrow said, ATi sucks less than they used to, but that doesn't mean they don't suck, nVidia is way ahead in the driver game.
 

Athlongamer

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Well thats fine about the video card because i've already got about 200 saved up just for my next graphics card....I'm still deciding on which card to buy. Probably a 6800GT, but if not that then an X850XTPE for a lil more money.

I will have to try out the Live CD's...I'm just gettinged of Windoze staring me in the face. Maybe gaming won't be to bad,but if it is i'll just stick with windoze.
 

Zelmo3

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As far as gaming goes, Linux performs every bit as well as Windows when you play cross-platform games (such as the Quakes, Dooms, Unreals, and many lesser-known titles). Playing games with Cedega can be problematic; the performance is almost as good as Windows for the games that work right, and many of the most popular games work right. ATI will give you trouble in Cedega, so you'll want an nVidia card if you're going to use it.
 

hooflung

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The only game I have encountered problems with is EVE Online. Its almost there but there is some problem with image buffers and rendering that make it a long shot at best. Half-Life 2 based games work flawlessly until you get a big steam update that breaks support then you have to wait a day or two before a fix is out. Doom 3 based products should just work like a charm. UT2k4 products should work like a charm. MMOs should work like a charm if not better. Some MMOs like Star Wars Galaxies and City of Heroes are known to be less buggy in Cedega than they are in their native windows environment. WoW and Guild Wars work fine. Usually if they are openGL rendered like City of Heroes, then you will see a faster game if you have an Nvidia Graphics card and cedega than you would have in Windows.

Things that will probably be missing from games the most are HD audio codecs with hardware accelleration. These things may or may not work. This is becoming less of a problem since games such as HL2 and Doom3 moved towards software audio rendering. EVE Online as well uses their own audio engine. Games like Jedi Accademy, Star Wars Galaxies, Raven Shield etc 'might' have to be ran with standard Audio.

Cheers
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: Athlongamer
Well thats fine about the video card because i've already got about 200 saved up just for my next graphics card....I'm still deciding on which card to buy. Probably a 6800GT, but if not that then an X850XTPE for a lil more money.

I will have to try out the Live CD's...I'm just gettinged of Windoze staring me in the face. Maybe gaming won't be to bad,but if it is i'll just stick with windoze.

Definitely get the 6800GT if you want some 3D performance under Linux.
 

drag

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Nvidia card will outperform ATI handedly in Linux once you get the propriatory drivers installed.

If you want a good distro to start off with try Ubuntu. Be sure to read the aviable faq and documentation aviable on their website. Be sure that the documentation applies to your version.. it'll tell you how to setup extra repositories for legally-gray items like media support for dvds, windows media files, quicktime, and other items.
 

Athlongamer

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Alright all those posts sound good. I think i will be getting 6800GT maybe an Ultra. Not sure i gotta do some research.

So let me get this right a "version" of Linux is called a Distro???

 

Nothinman

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So let me get this right a "version" of Linux is called a Distro???

A distribution (or distro) is more like a brand, each has their own versioning systems. For instance, Ubuntu just released 5.10.

've heard that these Debian ATI drivers work pretty well but I've never used them

Anybody use them?

They're just packages for the closed source ATI drivers.
 

hooflung

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If what is often referred to as the 'Linux Operating System' was an Automobile then the Make would be the Distribution and the Model would be the version of that Distribution and the Engine code woudl be the Linux Kernel used to power that distribution.

Make : Fedora
Model : Core 4
Engine Code : Linux 2.6.11
 

Athlongamer

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ohh....ok

So what would transgaming be...a make?

and

Cedega would be a make as well?

can u have 2 different makes on one system...or on the same linux?

lol i hope i make sense...i fee like i'm speaking in German or something
 

M00T

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Originally posted by: Athlongamer
ohh....ok

So what would transgaming be...a make?

and

Cedega would be a make as well?

can u have 2 different makes on one system...or on the same linux?

lol i hope i make sense...i fee like i'm speaking in German or something


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"Cedega loads a game's binary into memory on a Linux system and then dynamically links to code that provides an implementation of the Win32 APIs that the program is using. The APIs that Windows games are mostly built on top of are primarily based on Microsoft's DirectX system."

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