New Title: Staunch liberal admits to being lifelong Conservative Republican

[marincounty]

Obviously you didn't get your money's worth out of 7th grade or beyond.

Either you raise taxes on the rich, which would necessarily increase the disparity in taxes paid vs received per capita per state (subsidizing those redneck, leeching, ignorant middle class Americans), or you solve the problem by lowering taxes on the rich, necessarily decreasing the disparity in taxes paid vs received.

You are sounding more and more like a Republican every day! I knew one of these days you'd see the light!

No, there is another way. Increase the govt payouts to the blue states. Agricultural subsidies are largely designed for midwestern farmers, locking California fruit and vegetable farmers out of the subsidy programs. Introduce fairness to the system (I know this is hard to swallow for righties).
Most all of the military facilities in Northern California were closed by a right-wing dominated base-closing commission. Re-open some military facilities in California and close some in the red-states.

 

[PeshakJang]

No, there is another way. Increase the govt payouts to the blue states.

So if you increase gov't payouts to "blue" states, those states that would benefit most are the states with Rich People and Big Corporations, and the people that would be hurt the most are the Middle/Lower class Americans in all the "red" states. Isn't this in direct conflict with ideas of redistribution of wealth? Or do you just want to redistribute it from one rich person to another rich person?

You know what else it is called when a state receives more in tax revenue benefits based on the wealth and income of its residents? State income tax! *gasp*

Why stop at the state level? Following your line of reasoning, you might as well just return federal tax payments directly to indoviduals, based on the amount they paid in. Why not? Then all the "red" counties won't be leaching off the "blue" counties, and the "red" town won't be leaching off the "blue" towns.

Face the FACTS. There is no solution to this "problem" that is consistent with liberal ideologies. You can't scream for wealth equality, redistribution, etc. on one hand, and then turn around and complain about those who don't pay as much in to the system getting a greater benefit than those that do. Those are diametrically opposing demands.

My argument can't be broken. More and more liberals are becoming conservative as we speak.

 

[PeshakJang]

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Can't face the facts, huh?

 

[werepossum]

So if you increase gov't payouts to "blue" states, those states that would benefit most are the states with Rich People and Big Corporations, and the people that would be hurt the most are the Middle/Lower class Americans in all the "red" states. Isn't this in direct conflict with ideas of redistribution of wealth? Or do you just want to redistribute it from one rich person to another rich person?

You know what else it is called when a state receives more in tax revenue benefits based on the wealth and income of its residents? State income tax! *gasp*

Why stop at the state level? Following your line of reasoning, you might as well just return federal tax payments directly to indoviduals, based on the amount they paid in. Why not? Then all the "red" counties won't be leaching off the "blue" counties, and the "red" town won't be leaching off the "blue" towns.

Face the FACTS. There is no solution to this "problem" that is consistent with liberal ideologies. You can't scream for wealth equality, redistribution, etc. on one hand, and then turn around and complain about those who don't pay as much in to the system getting a greater benefit than those that do. Those are diametrically opposing demands.

My argument can't be broken. More and more liberals are becoming conservative as we speak.

Marincounty demonstrates the progressive position - that some people must be more equal than others - as well as the progressive solution, damn the laws and let government do as it damn well pleases 'cause government knows best. Sooner or later all progressive "thought" needs must resort to evaluating people on the basis of the purity of their progressive orthodoxy, otherwise their "solutions" inevitably diverge from reality and consistently fail to deliver the results they really want.

 

[Craig234]

No, there is another way. Increase the govt payouts to the blue states. Agricultural subsidies are largely designed for midwestern farmers, locking California fruit and vegetable farmers out of the subsidy programs. Introduce fairness to the system (I know this is hard to swallow for righties).
Most all of the military facilities in Northern California were closed by a right-wing dominated base-closing commission. Re-open some military facilities in California and close some in the red-states.

Better yet, leave the ones in Northern CA closed, and close more in red states.

It's ironic you promote fairness, and are attacked for wanting unfairness.

But same advice on the agriculture, how about keeping the lack of subsidies for CA, and getting rid of the subsidies for Big Farma?

Yet another thing to thank our systems' unfairness, e.g. electoral college, for.

 

[Fern]

I notice you don't mention of third of the stimulus was TAX BREAKS!

Yes, I did.

The biggest chunk of that was the AMT 'fix', which I mentioned.

But there was no point to dwelling on that part of the stimulous since the thread, at least at that point in time, was about the road/highway projects and whether they produced jobs.

Fern

 

[PeshakJang]

It's ironic you promote fairness, and are attacked for wanting unfairness.

So what do you want, Craig? What do progressives want?

Do you want fairness, like the other liberals here want, in which "red" states don't get back more than they pay in?

Or do you want unfairness, in which a progressive tax structure redistributes wealth from The Rich to Lower/Middle class America?

One or the other, straight answer. Don't do as you so often do and post a 500-line non-answer. Tell me what progressives want.

Wealth redistribution (unfairness), or get-what-you-pay (fairness)?