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Hott Nikkels

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No no review of it except my friend runs the same mobo I'm planning on, with the same processor and overclocks steady to 2.4ghz from 1.8ghz... keep it cool too, never went to 50c at all, even under loads (BF1942, max settings).

That's all I'm going on for that purchase, though that heatsink you just showed me looks really good, if I knew for certain it could fit I would jump all over it I think.

Why don't I go for the 939? Well... I don't know. The difference in price would only be about 30 bucks. Is it worth it really? I don't see where I'd get a lot of performance boost, if any, and if that's the case why even throw away that extra $30? Unless I knew I was getting a boost in performance worth the money I'd rather just get a 754, is the 939 just a "wow look what I got" effect?

I like that Abit KV8 because the uGURU, can overclock from windows, on the fly, no need to go to BIOS. Makes it easy to overclock for gaming, then return to stock speeds for normal computer usage.
 
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Hott Nikkels

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A quick snippet from a reviewer of the XP-90 on Newegg... concerning his history with the heatsink I had listed, compared to his purchase of the XP-90

"Dukeman,2/10/2005 10:06:29 PM

This is simply the best CPU heatsink I have ever owned. On my Athlon 64 3700+ this XP-90 keeps my loaded CPU temps around 7C-8C cooler than the Swiftech MCX6400-V I had on there before and that heatsink was atleast 3-4C cooler than the Thermaltake Venus-12 I had before the Swiftie! All this with a 92mm tornado. Freakin unbelievable!!"

7-8c cooler then the Swifty I had listed... wooo... and 10$ cheaper... :) Think I'm sold on that heatsink
 
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Reason to go 939 is the 'holy sh!t I have SMP' when you upgrade to a Toledo (dual-core) CPU ^^

939 is newer, 754 is depricated.
 
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Hott Nikkels

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Reason to go 939 is the 'holy sh!t I have SMP' when you upgrade to a Toledo (dual-core) CPU ^^

939 is newer, 754 is depricated.
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Could you recommend a good 939 board?
 
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Hott Nikkels

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What's wrong with the ones I had picked out :( lol... I like the Chaintech, is there a way you can overclock that from Windows like you can the uGuru on the Abit?
 
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Hott Nikkels

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Is PCI - E faster then AGP 8x? How would a PCI - E 6600GT compare to a AGP 6600GT...? A lot of reviews I am reading puts the Chaintech down for overclocking... the Gigabyte is rated high however, how about an MSI k8 neo plat 2 939 with the nforce 3?
 
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ribbon13

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PCI-E is vastly superior to AGP, even if the bandwidth can't be utilized to it's fullest today. AGP is going to die quickly.
 
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Hott Nikkels

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I'm getting iffy reviews over that chaintech, in one review it said in the BIOS the temperature for the CPU was almsot 10c off...
 
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ribbon13

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I really don't care if the BIOS temp monitor is inaccurate, ALL of them are inaccurate... seriously, two things you don't trust onboard readings for are voltage and temperature. If you really want to overclock, the DFI is what you want to look at.
 
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AHH ok.. You have a few options to work over in your mind, AGP or PCI-E, AGP is being phased out over the next 1-2 years most speculate, PCI-E does not have any true PCI-E designed cards yet, but will as it will be the new standard.. No performance difference, as of yet.
 
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ComatoseDelirium

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LOL why do i feel your ever so slowly going over your budget, this is looking like a 1 grand machine, anyways, if your going with an Nforce4 im sure the XP 120 will work on it, BETTER, and quieter, and uses a 120 mm fan.. It pretty much cools your cpu and all the chips around it lol. plus.. its.. Just so damn hott looking.. especially with a good led fan..
 
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ComatoseDelirium

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ribbon.. well im sure your aware of the reviews and benchmarks for the XP 120 and XP 90, and which one is better.. atleast from the raw data.
 
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ribbon13

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I really haven't kept on HSF reviews... I use TECs, vapo, and water on most everything. I meant generally. Just to get the info out there ->

At a given CFM (airflow) level, an 80mm fan will be significantly louder than a 120mm fan because of the surface area of the fan. Because the fins on the 120mm fan cover a much larger area, they do not need to turn as fast as the fins on an 80mm fan to supply the same amount of air. Because of this, the noise generated by a 120mm fan, for a given CFM level, will be much less.

HOWEVER, there is a tradeoff.
At a given CFM level, while the 120mm fan will be quieter than the 80mm fan, the 80mm fan will have HIGHER static pressure. In other words, the air that is being pushed from the 80mm fan will be moving faster. This has it's own advantages. For instance, CPU cooling. When choosing a fan to cool a CPU static pressure is important. This is because it's a measure of how fast the air is moving past the fins of the heatsink. In most cases, using a 92mm or 80mm fan of the SAME cfm level as a 120mm fan will give BETTER cooling performance for CPUs.
But that's only for CPUs.

When dealing with case fans we do not care about static pressure generated by the fan only the total amount of air moved. Since 120mm fans can move more air, more quietly than an 80mm fan, these are the fans of choice for pressure insensitive applications.

The quality of the PSU will determine how efficient it is with heat production. Ideally, one 120mm fan should be plenty. But there are so many other factors to consider that vary from situation to situation. Is the PSU near to the CPU? Is the intake on the PSU facing the CPU, thereby drawing more heated air? Where are the heat producing components actually located in the PSU in relation to the fan? How good is the overall case cooling, or is the PSU going to be acting like a needed exhaust for your system?

As to whether a PSU should be considered like a case fan or a CPU fan, I would say more like a case fan. PSUs don't generate nearly as much heat as a CPU, and generally can tolerate much higher temperatures. But, since you are actively cooling components on the inside of the PSU, static pressure does play a part. Just not as big a part as with CPU fans.
 
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Hott Nickels,

If you want to save some money now and plan on rebuilding your rig(new chip, motherboard, vid card at least) next upgrade, go for socket 754.

If you want upgradability without having to scrap your motherboard or vid card next time you get a new chip, go socket 939/NForce4. I wouldn't really recommend VIA products at this time.

If you want to overclock, either in socket 754 or 939, take a good look at the respective DFI Lanparty products. The 754 Lanparty board is getting fairly cheap, and is the premier OC board for socket 754. Also, if you're going to OC in socket 754, be very careful with clawhammers. Some of them are terrible overclockers. Your chances will be better if you get a CG stepping clawhammer or a newcastle(look for a AX 2800+). There are also the new socket 754 Palermo-based Semprons, if you can tolerate the low l2 cache levels.

The 939/Nforce 4 Lanparty boards(there are 3 variants) are also very nice. Check out this thread:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=29&threadid=1509413&enterthread=y

A 3000+ or 3200+ Winchester would go nicely in one of those boards. It'll cost you, though.
 
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Hott Nikkels

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Ok I have more questions and skeptical attitude towards products now that I've started this thread... lol
I DO want to overclock, the Clawhammer DTR seemed to overclock fine in my friends 754... up to 2.4Ghz and run below 50c under a load. However it is 120nm and not 90nm like the Winchester. I want to be able to hit close to 2.6Ghz if I can... not 24/7, just for gaming under some high stress games that will be coming out, like BF2 or something to improve playability. I like the uGURU that Abit has that allows you to overclock on the fly from Windows and I want any option I finally grab to have this same method of overclocking (on the fly, from windows).

I decided upon the Xcilio powersupply, looks really good. I didn't even look at them when shopping around, and had no idea they were produced by the same company as those big name power supplies. The 120mm fan is perfect. Thanks for pointing it out ribbon. I also chose the Corsair VS over the Kingston, thanks to Comatose, as well as pointing me towards the XP-90. Great buy... great reviews, I am sure I'll be pleased, especially for OC'ing.

I think I have decided upon the 939... I want to be able to replace my processor later on without replacing the motherboard. That sounds like a smart move now for like a 30-40$ difference in price total... since I am going with a 939 board, my processor is going to be the Winchester 90nm 3000+ 939. I'm going to be cooling it with the Thermalright XP-90. I thought about the 120, but that's a honkin fan to be placing on top of the CPU. I like the theory that ribbon posted up about static pressure and a smaller fan that pushes air faster is better for CPUs. I'll have 2 120mm case fans from antec anyways, one in, one out. So now I've solved most everything about my setup except 1 thing. The motherboard. O lord o lord... I do like the Chaintech, especially for the wallet ribbon, lol! However, I heard iffy reviews about overclocking, they say it's stable, but doesn't allow for much elbow room, like I said I want to be able to do between 2.4 - 2.6 every once in a while for gaming, I don't keep my stuff overclocked all the time. Just at designated times when I feel a little extra power to play a game. If the chaintech can handle that, then I'm game. If not... what's a good motherboard?

I use to LIKE the Soltek board (939) but I hear it has problems with the RAM. Not allowing the full 400 for DDR 3200? Can anyone confirm this? Aside from that I really like the price, look, and build of the board. It has VIAK8T800 though... Other then that I really like the Abit VIAK8T800 939 board... should I avoid the VIA chipset and go with the nForce4 if I'm planning on upgrading this machine down the line? All I need left is a motherboard...

The price with no motherboard on my system is 700$ even, no shipping (shipping from newegg is going to be about 40$), so we can say $740, no motherboard. Okay, so what kind of board am I looking at... throw some opinions and postives / negatives out there please. Thanks.
 
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masshass81

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I have to say you've been getting some good advice.

As for the mobo, don't get the Abit mobo you listed since it only supports AGP. Only the VIA K8T890 supports PCIe, but either way, you want to get NF4.

I suggest you get the DFI ribbon mentioned.. it will give you the best overclock. Definitely worth it for $140 SHIPPED..

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-136-152&depa=0

Read the AT review, they got a 2.8Ghz OC! Remember although s939 cpus are clocked 200mhz slower than the s754, they perform within 2-3% of each other. So clock for clock, s939 are a bit more efficient and a 2.8Ghz OC on a s939 is equivalent to a 2.9-3.0Ghz s754.

90nm will also OC better and run cooler than the 130nm counterparts.

May I also suggest that you get your 6600GT at Monarch? They charge NO shipping and NO tax (if you don't live in Georgia), and being PCIe, it will save you about $10 over AGP..
$176 SHIPPED

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190325
 
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Hott Nikkels

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Ok... it's a tossup now between the Soltek SL K890 Pro VIA K8T890 ($122) and the DFI Lanparty nForce4 Ultra-D ($137)
Running the Winchester 3000+ 90nm 939.

Which to go for which to go for... the Soltek is getting GREAT reviews, and I like the layout of the board opposed ot the DFI. I heard DFI was having some stability issues with the nForce4, Soltek is having no stability issues at all... can anyone clear this up? The DFI runs the gigabit lan a bit faster, but the extra speed that the gigabit runs at is not a big issue for me at all. I'm mostly worried about stability and overclocking potential now. The DFI also has 2 PCI-E 16x slots... going PCI-E for my video card now has me thinking about the possibility of running 2 6600gt's in the future.

So, which of the 2 boards? There's only about a $15 price difference... I do like the Soltek... but I think I'd be just as happy with the DFI. I don't hear any negative reviews about the Soltek though.

And for the video card, thanks for the recommendation. However, I plan to overclock the video card too sometime. The MSI 6600gt has a really good overclock rating and has a great bundle for $182 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-147&depa=1

The other option is the XFX 6600GT which overclocks pretty well also, is cheaper, and I also like the bundle (x2...the threat)
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...Code=190439&Category_Code=nvidia-PCI-E

Then there's the eVGA 6600GT. Don't know anything about the overclocking potential of this...
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant...=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190325
 
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