New Swift Boat Vets Ads Out

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ted Koppel apparently put some serious smackdown on the swiftboat liar, John O'Neill, on Nightline tonight.

Watch the video of last night's Nightline:

http://news.globalfreepress.co...eSwiftBoatVetLiars.wmv


Koppel PWNED John "the liar" O'Neill.


More on the swiftboat liars:

Larry Thurlow, one of the lying Swiftboat Veterans:
http://www.nationalreview.com/...k/york200407301059.asp

Thurlow says that Kerry's version of the events of March 13, 1969, is simply wrong. "His story is a total fabrication," Thurlow says. One of the Swift Boats did hit a mine that day, Thurlow says, but much of the rest of Kerry's story is inaccurate. "This thing about being under intense enemy fire is a falsehood...There was no fire off either bank [of the river]. This thing about getting Jim out of the river under a hail of bullets with these serious injuries is totally fabricated."

The lie exposed:
http://www.thehistorynet.com/a...yinvietnam/index3.html

Larry Thurlow received a bronze star for a fire fight he now says did not occur!



AND

George Elliott lying:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5694561/

HURLEY: This is from George Elliott, one of John Kerry?s commanders in Vietnam. This is the recommendation for the award of the Bronze Star. And he talks about a little bit in this.

Then he says: ?Shortly after starting their exit from this river, a mine detonated under one of the boats, PCF-3, lifting it two feet above the water and wounded everyone on board. Almost simultaneously, another mine detonated, close aboard PCF-94, knocking First Lieutenant Rassmann into the water and wounding Lieutenant J.G. Kerry in the right arm.? It goes on that PCF-4 provided cover fire, that they received sniper fire from the riverbanks. ?Lieutenant J.G. Kerry, from his exposed position on the bow of the boat, managed to pull Lieutenant Rassmann aboard despite the painful wound in his right arm.

?Meanwhile, PCF-94 gunners provided accurate suppressing fire.? It concludes by saying: ?Lieutenant J.G. Kerry proved himself to be calm, professional and highly courageous in the face of enemy fire.? That is signed by George Elliott, one of these same guys now who is saying, oh, but I remember it differently and I want to change my mind.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

What Elliott said in the ad is that Kerry "has not been honest about what happened in Viet Nam." In his original affidavit Elliott said Kerry had not been "forthright" in Vietnam. The only example he offered of Kerry not being "honest" or "forthright" was this: "For example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back.

In the Globe story, Elliott is quoted as saying it was a "terrible mistake" to sign that statement:

George Elliott (Globe account): It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here. . . . I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com...ish/article_4998.shtml

Another prominent figure in the anti-Kerry book as well as the ad denouncing Kerry, retired Lt. Commander George Elliott, recanted his statement last week in interviews with at least two news sources and then recounted his recant. Elliott also supported Kerry in his 1996 campaign and told a Boston audience that he felt the Senator "deserved the medals he won in Vietnam."

O?Neill further destroyed his credibility by appearing on CNN after assuring the network he had not spoke out publicly about Kerry this year. CNN later had to retract their claim of an ?exclusive? interview after they learned O?Neill appeared on C-Span to discuss Kerry in March.

Elliott Praises Kerry in 1969 Report

Elliott had a much different opinion of Kerry at the time than in the ad. In a fitness report on Kerry, dated Dec. 18, 1969, he stated that "in a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed...LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group."

Elliott also said he voted for Gore. I find that very hard to believe considering he's donated to the GOP. Elliott is a pathological liar. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


AND

Hibbard has not revealed that he was Kerry's CO for only two weeks and never wrote a performance review for Kerry.


AND

Hoffman has been called a Kurtz-like psychopath.

Capt. Roy Hoffmann: "I told them you not only have authority," Hoffmann now says, "I damned well expect action. If there were men there and they didn?t kill them or capture them, you?d hear from me."

Also, Hoffman is a liar:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com...ish/article_4998.shtml

?They seek retribution by fabricating stories to destroy Kerry,? Brinkley says. ?Hoffman, in particular lacks credibility.?

On May 6, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reporter Steve Schultze, interviewed Hoffman and wrote ?Hoffmann acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally.?

On August 5, however, Hoffman told Sean Hannity on his ABC radio show that "I knew him (Kerry) well, because I operated very closely with him and, uh, many of the operations, uh, most of the operations were-were conducted with multiple boats."

AND

Merrie Spaeth is the Communications Director for the Swiftboat Veterans group and is a staunch GOP supporter.


AND

Their website is funded by a Missouri Republican with close ties to John Ashcroft.


AND

http://www.newsmax.com/archive.../2004/5/4/132751.shtml

?It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us.) Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war.?

But it is with regard to the latter sentence of the charge that O?Neill and others get vague.

When asked by NewsMax if they had in mind any potential smoking gun of distortion that might be revealed by an unfettered examination of Kerry?s military records, there was no answer forthcoming.

AND

Who is Steve Gardner?
Swift Boat Vet "eyewitness" was not present for events leading to Kerry's medals or Purple Hearts
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408240001

Gardner admitted that "he was not on the boat with Kerry during the incidents for which Kerry got his medals," reported The Columbus Dispatch on August 6. And as a guest on Michael Savage's radio show, Savage Nation, on August 2, Gardner said that of Kerry's three Purple Hearts, he could only attest to the first; Gardner later admitted to Savage that he was "not on the boat with him [Kerry]" when that injury occurred...

...in at least two interviews, Gardner has falsely claimed that he was present for the incidents leading to Kerry's receipt of awards...

...In an apparent attempt to substantiate his status as an eyewitness to key Kerry events, Gardner claimed on Scarborough Country, "[T]hat boat never left the dock that I wasn't aboard it with John Kerry, never. I was with that boat everywhere we went." Gardner went on to make assertions regarding the events that occurred on March 13, 1969, involving Kerry's rescue of Jim Rassmann, for which Kerry received the Bronze Star. Gardner claimed to know that Kerry fled the scene on the river that day while the other three boats stayed and that Kerry then "turned around and came all the way back to pick up Mr. Rassmann that he had thrown off his boat when he took off, when he fled down the canal." But later in the show, Gardner admitted to not being present that day. When Scarborough attempted to revisit the "March 13, 1969 incident," Gardner said, "I'm not going to deal with that. Because I wasn't there."...

...On the August 2 broadcast of Savage Nation, Gardner himself claimed that all of the wounds for which Kerry received Purple Hearts "were superficial wounds, and I mean very superficial, scratches. The very first one is the only one that I can actually attest to because I was there when that wound happened." But Gardner was not there when Kerry sustained that wound; as noted above, Gardner went on to admit: "I was not on the boat with him but I -- in the next three days following that, I was with him on the boat going to take our new position up down there on the seaward operations."

And John O'Neill in his lie:

Swift Boat Writer Lied on Cambodia Claim
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._boats_1&printer=1

 

[Infohawk]

Nice video conjur.

I'm watching this buffoon right now. God he's a nasty troll. Really reminds of a lot of the hate-spewers here... except he's being covered on TV.

 

[Darkhawk28]

New book to come out soon by yours truly...

Lying liars and the lying liars that lie for them on ATP&N: An Inside Look At Neocons And Their Worshippers

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: Perknose
This low life smear campaign makes my blood boil. John Kerry had the courage and integrity to go to the front lines of a shooting war and put his life on the line. Then he had the courage and integrity to come home and speak out against that abortion of a war, against all odds, while all that time Bush was a disolute, drug taking, connected rich kid playboy. Fvck that smirking turd and the goons he fronts for!! :|

ouch, ouch, I've got a splinter. Mommy, can I please come home now.
John Kerry is no more of a war hero than my left testicle.

Does moveon.org make your blood boil ?

Or is it only the groups that oppose your viewpoint?

 

[alchemize]

Anyone have them on another format?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Anyone have them on another format?

Bottom of the page, multiple formats available

 

[alchemize]

Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

Yeah they were all enlistees, none of them were draftees. Fortunately Kerry wasn't blinded by false patriotism so he could come back and tell the truth, unlike many of the Swift Boat Liars.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

I'll agree the swiftboat liars are "jrk offs" and "low lifes"

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

Yeah they were all enlistees, none of them were draftees. Fortunately Kerry wasn't blinded by false patriotism so he could come back and tell the truth, unlike many of the Swift Boat Liars.

Isn't that fascinating, the only one telling the truth out of all these men is a politician?? The only one that served honorably and earned his medals is a lifelong politician? Amazing.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

I'll agree the swiftboat liars are "jrk offs" and "low lifes"

and Republicans! :Q

(puts on flame suit)

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

I'll agree the swiftboat liars are "jrk offs" and "low lifes"

Haven't these shills shamed themselves and their families enough already?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

Yeah they were all enlistees, none of them were draftees. Fortunately Kerry wasn't blinded by false patriotism so he could come back and tell the truth, unlike many of the Swift Boat Liars.

Isn't that fascinating, the only one telling the truth out of all these men is a politician?? The only one that served honorably and earned his medals is a lifelong politician? Amazing.

Isn't it though!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wow say what you want they make some frigging powerful ads. Amazing how many "jrk offs" and "low life" medal winners served with Kerry, isn't it?

I'll agree the swiftboat liars are "jrk offs" and "low lifes"

Haven't these shills shamed themselves and their families enough already?

Apparently not. And O'Neill's spewing and subsequent owning on Nightline is proof.

 

[Engineer]

O'Neill was Koppel's play toy last night.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: ELP
I smell desperation.

How can you people criticize Kerry for ACTUALLY GOING to war and then speaking out against it, while all along supporting Bush, defending our country against insurgents in Alabama.

Pathetic.

There is no way I can consciencely vote for Bush again.

Yep, those 3 months he spent in country were pure hell...

Also curious is that candidate Kerry still hasn't released all of his service records, rumor has it that the October Surprise may be a dishonorable discharge from the Navy Reserve.

He doesn't have to release his records. We already have the "truth" from the Swiftboat Liars.

 

[FelixDeCat]

My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

You would support proven liars.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

You would support proven liars.

Anything for the prize.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

You would support proven liars.

No, I dont support Kerry.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

You would support proven liars.

No, I dont support Kerry.

Too bad you don't. You will be his bitch in a few weeks.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
My heart goes out to these patriots for exposing JK for what he really is.

Keep up the good work compadres! :thumbsup:

Did the Angels on the Radio that you claim to talk too tell you that those Lying Character Assasins were worth giving your heart too? If they did maybe they were Demons and not Angels!

 

[smashp]

this must be Karl Roves October Surprize

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: smashp
this must be Karl Roves October Surprize

I think this is just one of many of Rove's Oktober Surprises, and there will be specific surprises for some of the battleground states too

Our co-president has nothing to lose, & everything to gain.