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New sunspot emerges. The next few days will be pointing directly at the earth.

http://www.spaceweather.com/


A big new sunspot is emerging over the sun's northeastern limb. AR1271 has at least four dark cores and it is crackling with small flares. The sunspot's entrance was captured in this 24-hour movie from the Solar Dynamics Observatory:

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NOAA forecasters estimate a 60% chance of M-class solar flares during the next 24 hours. Because of its location near the sun's limb, AR1271 does not yet pose a threat for Earth-directed eruptions. This could change in the days ahead, however, as the sunspot turns to face our planet. Readers with solar telescopes are encouraged to monitor developments.

AR1271 will be facing the earth in a few days.
NOAA forecasts it will not be that strong luckily.


A side note :

Time for a nice view of a burning comet.

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There has been a considerable amount of noise on sunspots, solar flares, etc in the news lately.

I have yet to see catastrophe happen yet.

I do not doubt it. But, is this concern based on past events where said activity has harmed us?
 
There has been a considerable amount of noise on sunspots, solar flares, etc in the news lately.

I have yet to see catastrophe happen yet.

I do not doubt it. But, is this concern based on past events where said activity has harmed us?

Hard to say what kind of impact an event such as the Solar storm of 1859 would have on today's world. Wide-spread blackouts, loss of radio/cellular communications, satellite damage/destruction, etc. could cause quite a havoc.

On September 1–2, 1859, the largest recorded geomagnetic storm occurred. Aurorae were seen around the world, most notably over the Caribbean; also noteworthy were those over the Rocky Mountains that were so bright that their glow awoke gold miners, who began preparing breakfast because they thought it was morning.

Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed, in some cases even shocking telegraph operators. Telegraph pylons threw sparks and telegraph paper spontaneously caught fire. Some telegraph systems appeared to continue to send and receive messages despite having been disconnected from their power supplies.
 
There has been a considerable amount of noise on sunspots, solar flares, etc in the news lately.

I have yet to see catastrophe happen yet.

I do not doubt it. But, is this concern based on past events where said activity has harmed us?

Yes it is. If the Carrington Event occurred today it would damage the entire power grid, and maybe everything attached to it. It would be an immediate emergency where we'd preemptively shut down the grid in hopes of preserving as much as we can.

It only happened 150 years ago, and set fire to the telegraph buildings. At least one flare since then has been described as half that strength. Most others have been infinitesimally weaker, just a handful are worthy of noting.

Worrying about each and every spot is ridiculous. Our modern history tells us the sun is supposed to have spots all over it. Nothing to see here.
 
Yes it is. If the Carrington Event occurred today it would damage the entire power grid, and maybe everything attached to it. It would be an immediate emergency where we'd preemptively shut down the grid in hopes of preserving as much as we can.

It only happened 150 years ago, and set fire to the telegraph buildings. At least one flare since then has been described as half that strength. Most others have been infinitesimally weaker, just a handful are worthy of noting.

Worrying about each and every spot is ridiculous. Our modern history tells us the sun is supposed to have spots all over it. Nothing to see here.

After staring at the Sun, I can confirm this.
 
Yes it is. If the Carrington Event occurred today it would damage the entire power grid, and maybe everything attached to it. It would be an immediate emergency where we'd preemptively shut down the grid in hopes of preserving as much as we can.

It only happened 150 years ago, and set fire to the telegraph buildings. At least one flare since then has been described as half that strength. Most others have been infinitesimally weaker, just a handful are worthy of noting.

Worrying about each and every spot is ridiculous. Our modern history tells us the sun is supposed to have spots all over it. Nothing to see here.

Indeed it is. But i was kind of tired about the usual bickering in P&N. There are a lot of crackpots here. People that are bananas 🙂.
I am bananas too ( in a positive way), but not that much as bananas as some people are here.


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Hurry up and create your foil hats. If you don't know how to make one I'm sure one of our Libertarian forum members will be willing to teach you
 
Ok, let us raise the stakes a tiny bit.




http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-solar-air-passengers.html


(PhysOrg.com) -- Radiation risks to airplanes and spacecraft are likely to increase when the Sun moves from its present grand solar maximum to lower levels of activity, says research from the University of Reading.

The researchers say this a serious concern because our present day engineering, design, operation and insurance of vulnerable technology is based on past experience from the space age and does not yet account for long-term change in space climate.

The scientists have paid particular attention to the radiation effects on aircraft crew and passengers on long-distance flights.

The Sun has been in a ‘grand solar maximum' which has already lasted longer than any other such maximum in the past 9.3 millennia and is expected to end soon. The changes in near-Earth space that will result will return Earth to conditions that last prevailed before the advent of susceptible modern operational systems, such as spacecraft, power distribution grids and aircraft.


The study says that at cruise altitudes of commercial aviation, particularly at higher latitudes, high-energy ionising radiations such as Solar Energetic Particles (SEPs) and Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCRs) pose threats through single event upsets in electronics critical to flight safety, and through the radiation exposure of crew and passengers.

GCRs are high energy particles generated by supernovae explosions in our galaxy and, because of the shielding effect of our Sun's magnetic field, they give a continuous radiation dose throughout the solar system that increases during a solar activity minimum and decreases during a solar maximum. SEPs are bursts of energetic particles that are formed from supersonic ejections of material from the solar atmosphere.

The work was led by Mike Lockwood, professor of Space Environment Physics at the University of Reading and his PhD student Luke Barnard. Professor Lockwood said: "Radiation standards for avionics are based only on experience from the current grand solar maximum and there are no regulations concerning passenger exposure."

The International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) recommends a 1 mSv limit for the annual dose received by a member of the public. Dosages during a flight depend on path, duration and altitude as well as on the level of solar activity. A commercial eight-hour polar flight during the 2003 ‘Halloween' SEP event would have given 70% of this recommended annual limit and it is estimated that the largest known SEP event, the ‘Carrington event' of 1859, would have given 20 times the limit.

Even without a SEP event, GCRs mean that the recommended limit corresponded to only five round trips (of two such flights each) during the recent solar minimum. The researchers at Reading have studied how these dosages are likely to increase in the future as solar activity declines.

Professor Lockwood said: "All the evidence suggests that the Sun will shortly exit from a grand solar maximum that has persisted since before the start of the space age. This analysis shows that the risk of the space-weather effects is considerably enhanced over the next century compared to the space age thus far."

The researchers use past experience to predict that there is an 8% chance of the Sun falling to grand minimum conditions over the next 40 years, giving enhanced dosages of GCR radiation which is of concern for aircraft avionics, crew and passengers. The risk of large SEP events is higher at middling levels of solar activity and so is initially enhanced in this case but then decreases to almost zero during the grand minimum itself.

A more likely scenario, predicted from the mean of all previous examples, is a more modest rise in the GCR fluxes but an enhanced risk of a large SEP event. There is only a 5% chance that the SEP risk and the GCR hazard will increase only slightly above those for the present solar cycle.

The study noted that both GCR and SEP events will be amplified by the probable continuation of the decrease in the geomagnetic field, and the shielding it provides, that has been observed over the past 160 years.

Some nice information (2008 news )

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http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/03/do-we-need-cosmic-ray-alerts-for.html

How can distant supernovae, black holes and other cosmic events cause a desktop computer to crash?

The answer is that they produce cosmic rays, which produce high energy particles in the atmosphere that can occasionally hit RAM chips. The moving particles trail electrons, which can infiltrate chips' circuits and cause errors.

That's why computer chip giant Intel was in December awarded a US patent for the idea of building cosmic ray detectors into every chip (full patent).

When cosmic rays hit the Earth's atmosphere, they collide with air molecules, producing an "air shower" of high energy protons and neutrons and other particles. It is these that Intel wants to look for. If they get near the wrong part of a chip, the electrons they trail can create a digital 1 or 0 out of nowhere, something called a "soft error".

Computer giant IBM thoroughly investigated the problem in the mid 90s, testing nearly 1,000 memory devices at sea level, in mountains and in caves. They showed that at higher altitude, more soft errors occurred, while in the caves there were nearly none. That proved cosmic rays were to blame.

As RAM chips became more dense, the problem was predicted to get worse. But better designs and error checking techniques have helped, with systems used in planes and spacecraft getting beefed-up error checking because they are at greater risk.


Nice background information about cosmic rays :
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/acr.html

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While interstellar plasma is kept outside the heliosphere by an interplanetary magnetic field, the interstellar neutral gas flows through the solar system like an interstellar wind, at a speed of 25 km/sec. When closer to the Sun, these atoms undergo the loss of one electron in photo-ionization or by charge exchange. Photo-ionization is when an electron is knocked off by a solar ultra-violet photon, and charge exchange involves giving up an electron to an ionized solar wind atom. Once these particles are charged, the Sun's magnetic field picks them up and carries them outward to the solar wind termination shock. They are called pickup ions during this part of their trip.

The ions repeatedly collide with the termination shock, gaining energy in the process. This continues until they escape from the shock and diffuse toward the inner heliosphere. Those that are accelerated are then known as anomalous cosmic rays.

It is not certain exactly which particles are accelerated at these shocks. The energy boost given to pickup ions at CIR shocks may be an important factor in ACR production. The mechanism of the acceleration of pick-up ions at the solar wind termination shock is also a big question.

ACRs are thought to represent a sample of the very local interstellar medium. They are not thought to have experienced such violent processes as GCRs, and they have a lower speed and energy. ACRs include large quantities of helium, oxygen, neon, and other elements with high ionization potentials, that is, they require a great deal of energy to ionize, or form ions. ACRs are a tool for studying the movement of energetic particles within the solar system, for learning the general properties of the heliosphere, and for studying the nature of interstellar material itself.
 
I rep/resent that remark!

Although i do not agree with your religious views or conspiracy theories, i do not mind it because it is just a view from your perspective. But you at least try to look from different perspectives as well. You give your opinion but you would not force it upon people, i assume here.

Some people here are really bananas. Because only their limited view of reality exist (for example political, economical, global). And more then once their view is similar as a broken model where to many variables are assumed ideal or fixed to a certain value. Bound to fall, bound to make mistakes. If they are not trolling, i would assume they are difficult in social settings in real life as well.
 
political, economical, global- Ya know these peoples views are larglely a forced view,

It hard for people envision conspirecies that go back in time generations. Its hard for them to see that a ruling family would conspire 100's of years ahead of an event to prepare people to except the yoke they prepare for them . As for the Rothschild banksters. This one I have a hard time with . This family of inbreeds should have all been tried and convicted of treason long long ago and there friends for their involvment . As far as I am concerned. Persons who have openly worked together to create a 1 world government have commeted treason / But they have the GOLD and The GOLD is what everthing is about. . 2 genes in the human race have been fused off . This cann't occur in nature. Nibiru (Nemesis) is the star system that what we call god comes from . Its a brown dwarf star its our suns mate in a binary system . and its getting closer and all that Gold we been mining is for them and its time for delivery. They created us to mine this Gold and later freed us (Adam) . This is why the book of enoch was removed from scripture it tells us the story. But there seems to be one bit people like myself have overlooked. Enoch was a decendent of CAIN . SO someone is lieing bigtime . Someone has decieved us ALL bigtime . SONS of cain or the Sons of Adam . I for one don't have a clue which one . But Enoch book leads me to think maybe the Jews are pretenders . Enoch tells us about the aliens but not in that word usage . The Jews covered most this up . The fact that the fallen angles had sex with women of earth . Tells us there is something really wrong with scripture . None of this changes the fact that I believe in a Universal truth (GOD).
 
Truth . Those who have deceived us and put us to the yoke . We are tertiary the masses that is . Many believe that The end is at hand . I believe its a new beginning . Where we break the yoke of opperssion . These Flash mobs are not the work of the masses but the work of the oppessers. So they can remove further free speech and idealism. For these things work against them .
Poems written come from the heart . Our oppessers call this the Third eye, But that universial truth which lay in all mens heart cann't be harnessed ,truth will always. Win the day .
Wake up . Your nightmare is at an end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oRKvpZ7PjE&feature=related
 
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The one thing we can say about this entire thread is that our OP is reminding us that at any time, its possible to have another repeat of the 1859 Carrington event.

No one has any idea of how bad it would be in modern times, but one day we are likely to find out.
 
political, economical, global- Ya know these peoples views are larglely a forced view,

It hard for people envision conspirecies that go back in time generations. Its hard for them to see that a ruling family would conspire 100's of years ahead of an event to prepare people to except the yoke they prepare for them . As for the Rothschild banksters. This one I have a hard time with . This family of inbreeds should have all been tried and convicted of treason long long ago and there friends for their involvment . As far as I am concerned. Persons who have openly worked together to create a 1 world government have commeted treason / But they have the GOLD and The GOLD is what everthing is about. . 2 genes in the human race have been fused off . This cann't occur in nature. Nibiru (Nemesis) is the star system that what we call god comes from . Its a brown dwarf star its our suns mate in a binary system . and its getting closer and all that Gold we been mining is for them and its time for delivery. They created us to mine this Gold and later freed us (Adam) . This is why the book of enoch was removed from scripture it tells us the story. But there seems to be one bit people like myself have overlooked. Enoch was a decendent of CAIN . SO someone is lieing bigtime . Someone has decieved us ALL bigtime . SONS of cain or the Sons of Adam . I for one don't have a clue which one . But Enoch book leads me to think maybe the Jews are pretenders . Enoch tells us about the aliens but not in that word usage . The Jews covered most this up . The fact that the fallen angles had sex with women of earth . Tells us there is something really wrong with scripture . None of this changes the fact that I believe in a Universal truth (GOD).

Oh goody. When i am bored and want to be in the realm of imagination, i read a novel, fiction or science fiction. 🙂 Or i traverse the internet. There are a lot of creative people to be found at abovetopsecret. They can easily surpass all hollywood movie script writers. :thumbsup:

When i was looking for pictures about neanderthalers for another thread, i found a conspiracy theory that claims that the first hybrids between homo sapiens and Neanderthalers where huge, more healthy, lived longer, unusually strong and had superior intellect and social capabilities. The sons of gods (Nephilim) you speak of, where the first generation hybrid neanderthalers/ homo sapiens. At least according to that theory the creatures Abrahamic faith tell about. Now according to wiki, in Israel and where now lies Iraq, hybrids have been found in the middle east. I found it a fun read and it would make a great science fiction novel or movie.
 
Thats the problem on the internet many things are written . But if you take the time cross referance with history and scripture Science you can find the truths , That rock that moses made water pour forth water in the wilderness with staff of power and was the cause of Moses not entering the promised land. They have found that rock or claim to . Its on utube Its very believeable moreso than that fake guy on the sci-fi channels discoveries. But heres the problem . The Sin . I don't believe for a second what the scripture says on that . Other than when Moses came down with the 10 commandents and the people were worshipping that golden calf that Moses brother did fashion . and Moses did kill many . Thats the only time I can point to were MOSES murdered. Besides the egyptian he did kill befor he receivedthe commandments


Moses did not go into the promised land because it was occupied . Killing (Murder) was the only way to take the land . Moses wouldn't do it. So joshueha went into the mountains with Moses and did murder him and took the staff.

Yes I have seen the giant mummies in the desert they uncovered . 1 problem I have is some of those picks came from a movie set . I seen the movie. (also these were not the MEN of renound)

I better explanation you will find in the utube atlantis story . I won't link it because it leaves much out . If you want to talk about neanderthals. That does not explain the 2 genes in humans that are fused, That cann't happen in nature.

In science Explain this . Noah after the flood was given a sign of the new covenant between God and man that God would never destroy the world by flood again. That sign was a Mircle in noahs eyes. It was a rainbow, Now we understand refraction and how it works . But Noah had never in his life seen 1 before . That tells me one thing . The atmosphere of earth was much differant 3600 years ago. and there was infact water above the firmanent. and the sun did not shine threw and dew was the water giving force and climate was universal . But other parts of scripture disprove this . Which tells me that the rainbow story is hogwash another scripture lie the jews created.
 
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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/18aug_cmemovie/

We have been hit by a modest CME. And there is video made from snapshots too. ^_^

August 18, 2011: For the first time, a spacecraft far from Earth has turned and watched a solar storm engulf our planet. The movie, released today during a NASA press conference, has galvanized solar physicists, who say it could lead to important advances in space weather forecasting.

“The movie sent chills down my spine,” says Craig DeForest of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado. "It shows a CME swelling into an enormous wall of plasma and then washing over the tiny blue speck of Earth where we live. I felt very small.”
A wide-angle movie recorded by NASA's STEREO-A spacecraft shows a solar storm traveling all the way from the sun to Earth and engulfing our planet. A 17 MB Quicktime zoom adds perspective to the main 40 MB Quicktime movie.

CMEs are billion-ton clouds of solar plasma launched by the same explosions that spark solar flares. When they sweep past our planet, they can cause auroras, radiation storms, and in extreme cases power outages. Tracking these clouds and predicting their arrival is an important part of space weather forecasting.

“We have seen CMEs before, but never quite like this,” says Lika Guhathakurta, program scientist for the STEREO mission at NASA headquarters. “STEREO-A has given us a new view of solar storms.”

STEREO-A is one of two spacecraft launched in 2006 to observe solar activity from widely-spaced locations. At the time of the storm, STEREO-A was more than 65 million miles from Earth, giving it the “big picture” view other spacecraft in Earth orbit have been missing.

When CMEs first leave the sun, they are bright and easy to see. Visibility is quickly reduced, however, as the clouds expand into the void. By the time a typical CME crosses the orbit of Venus, it is a billion times fainter than the surface of the full Moon, and more than a thousand times fainter than the Milky Way. CMEs that reach Earth are almost as gossamer as vacuum itself and correspondingly transparent.

“Pulling these faint clouds out of the confusion of starlight and interplanetary dust has been an enormous challenge,” says DeForest.

Indeed, it took almost three years for his team to learn how to do it. Footage of the storm released today was recorded back in December 2008, and they have been working on it ever since. Now that the technique has been perfected, it can be applied on a regular basis without such a long delay.

Alysha Reinard of NOAA’s Space Weather Prediction Center explains the benefits for space weather forecasting:

“Until quite recently, spacecraft could see CMEs only when they were still quite close to the sun. By calculating a CME's speed during this brief period, we were able to estimate when it would reach Earth. After the first few hours, however, the CME would leave this field of view and after that we were 'in the dark' about its progress.”

“The ability to track a cloud continuously from the Sun to Earth is a big improvement,” she continues. “In the past, our very best predictions of CME arrival times had uncertainties of plus or minus 4 hours,” she continues. “The kind of movies we’ve seen today could significantly reduce the error bars.”
This 17 MB Quicktime zoom adds perspective to the main 40 MB Quicktime movie of the CME engulfing Earth.

The movies pinpoint not only the arrival time of the CME, but also its mass. From the brightness of the cloud, researchers can calculate the gas density with impressive precision. Their results for the Dec. 2008 event agreed with actual in situ measurements at the few percent level. When this technique is applied to future storms, forecasters will be able to estimate its impact with greater confidence.

At the press conference, DeForest pointed out some of the movie’s highlights: When the CME first left the sun, it was cavernous, with walls of magnetism encircling a cloud of low-density gas. As the CME crossed the Sun-Earth divide, however, its shape changed. The CME “snow-plowed” through the solar wind, scooping up material to form a towering wall of plasma. By the time the CME reached Earth, its forward wall was sagging inward under the weight of accumulated gas.

The kind of magnetic transformations revealed by the movie deeply impressed Guhathakurta: “I have always thought that in heliophysics understanding the magnetic field is equivalent to the ‘dark energy’ problem of astrophysics. Often, we cannot see the magnetic field, yet it orchestrates almost everything. These images from STEREO give us a real sense of what the underlying magnetic field is doing.”

All of the speakers at today’s press event stressed that the images go beyond the understanding of a single event. The inner physics of CMEs have been laid bare for the first time—a development that will profoundly shape theoretical models and computer-generated forecasts of CMEs for many years to come.

“This is what the STEREO mission was launched to do,” concludes Guhathakurta, “and it is terrific to see it live up to that promise."
 
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