New study on food

[jbt52]

I heard it on NPR, dont remember the name of the exact study but it was saying that the top 3 foods that were good for you are Yogurt, Fruit & Nuts. Wish I was a bit surprised by, since I would expect Veggies to be better than fruit, but what do I know LOL
The absolute worst of all was actually chips, fries, anything potato-related.

Just FYI, I found it interesting, if anyone else heard this let me know, I would like to see the details of the study.

 

[CrazyAznDriver]

Hey that is what I eat for breakfast most days, yogurt+fruit+nuts. Its pretty tasty.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Screw the NPR give me meat.

 

[Bateluer]

I heard it on NPR, dont remember the name of the exact study but it was saying that the top 3 foods that were good for you are Yogurt, Fruit & Nuts. Wish I was a bit surprised by, since I would expect Veggies to be better than fruit, but what do I know LOL
The absolute worst of all was actually chips, fries, anything potato-related.

Just FYI, I found it interesting, if anyone else heard this let me know, I would like to see the details of the study.

I don't think you should put chips and fries in 'potato related.' Potatoes have a lot complex starches and carbs, good for certain life syles. Chips and fries are usually loaded with preservatives and boiled in high fat oils.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Potatoes are carbs. Eat alot of those and you will get fat.

 

[Powermoloch]

Potatoes are carbs. Eat alot of those and you will get fat.

wrong...if input (energy earned) =/= output (energy spent). Then fat becomes reality.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

wrong...if input (energy earned) =/= output (energy spent). Then fat becomes reality.

At the very least the energy in = energy out equation for humans is a lot more complicated than high school textbooks would have you believe, given that steroids can cause obesity, different genetic factors can cause obesity, and differently weighted, calorically balanced diets can cause obesity, with all else being equal. How much you eat matters, but what you eat matters as well.

 

[nanaki333]

wrong...if input (energy earned) =/= output (energy spent). Then fat becomes reality.

word! i eat pastas or potatoes, or anything with a lot of complex carbs about an hour and a half before working out. i started doing that with my pre-workout drinks that i take 30 minutes before and i'm a lot more wired and willing

and agreed with vulgardisplay... GIVE ME MEAT!

 

[Muse]

I stopped buying potatoes a couple of years ago. Here's what I have been doing for yogurt:

Almost two years ago I was in my favorite local food market and they were giving out samples of natural plain yogurt in a tiny cup. I didn't eat mine but brought it home and put it in a quart yogurt container with a quart of reconstituted nonfat dry milk and placed it in my oven, which stays about 85 F due to the pilot flame. Around 24 hours later I had 1 quart of yogurt, which I placed in the refrigerator. Every time I got down to around 20% left, I put around 1/4 cup of this yogurt in a different clean 1 quart yogurt container with another quart of reconstituted NFDM. I usually give this 30 seconds in the microwave to get it up to near incubation temperature and put in the oven overnight. When set (usually 18-24 hours) it goes into the fridge. I've continued this cycle and made around 30 batches since starting all this. Last batch came out a few days ago and is delicious! I do a similar thing for kefir. I started with dry starter (have plenty on my shelf) but I can keep a kefir culture going for years with these methods.

Fruit and nuts are a major portion of my diet, love 'em. I buy nuts at Costco and the market I just mentioned, also Trader Joe's is a good cheap source. The "market" (Berkeley Bowl) is the most varied, awesome and cheap source for produce I've ever seen and a 3 minute bike ride. :awe:

 

[Muse]

I don't think you should put chips and fries in 'potato related.' Potatoes have a lot complex starches and carbs, good for certain life syles. Chips and fries are usually loaded with preservatives and boiled in high fat oils.

I saw a story indicating that recent studies have found that potato chips are carcinogenic! And "high fat oils" is a redundancy. They are all fat.

 

[Muse]

... GIVE ME MEAT!

Meat! OK, but realize that meat lacks a lot of things you need and it also usually contains a lot of cholesterol, LDL, the bad cholesterol. Also it's expensive and ecologically very stressful. It's the easier way to supply your protein needs, but there are other ways that work. I eat some meat (mostly lean beef), but I don't think it's enough to keep a small cat alive.

 

[nanaki333]

i was at the docs recently for my LDLs being really low (14). started eating even more veggies and my snacks are usually a few spoonfulls of peanut butter. you can never take away my meat though. i wasn't referring to just red meat when i said that though

 

[eits]

i love npr, but that study is bullshit.

 

[Doppel]

wrong...if input (energy earned) =/= output (energy spent). Then fat becomes reality.

There is a lot of evidence to indicate it's not so simple. Simple carbs jolt your blood sugar, which triggers an insulin response, and can encourage fat accumulation quicker, not to mention your appetite will grow quicker again, thus encouraging more food intake.

i eat pastas or potatoes, or anything with a lot of complex carbs about an hour and a half before working out.

You should probably stop; there's no way they're digesting to any meaningful degree before the workout.

 

[Bateluer]

You should probably stop; there's no way they're digesting to any meaningful degree before the workout.

Disagree. Runners have been eating such foods for thousands of years. Because it works. Why do you think so many runners carbo load for the week prior to a marathon.

As far as digestion goes, not much is going to be done in 90 minutes, but an hour into the run, its good to have that store of fuel for the body to tear into. Works wonders, believe, I know.

 

[nanaki333]

Disagree. Runners have been eating such foods for thousands of years. Because it works. Why do you think so many runners carbo load for the week prior to a marathon.

As far as digestion goes, not much is going to be done in 90 minutes, but an hour into the run, its good to have that store of fuel for the body to tear into. Works wonders, believe, I know.

well you essentially beat me to it... but yeah... i eat all those carbs 90 minute prior, walk to the gym, get on the bike and pedal, then proceed to my workout.

what i've been doing works great, and i'm not going to change when i'm still gaining lots of mass.

EDIT: the GOOD kind of mass

 

[jbt52]

"Cut back on potatoes, red meat, sweets and soda."
http://www.livescience.com/14828-food-type-calorie-content-matters-weight-gain.html
Study done by the New England Journal of Medicine

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

i was at the docs recently for my LDLs being really low (14). started eating even more veggies and my snacks are usually a few spoonfulls of peanut butter. you can never take away my meat though. i wasn't referring to just red meat when i said that though

LDLs are bad. I doubt you'd be seeing your doctor because your LDL was really low.

 

[nanaki333]

LDLs are bad. I doubt you'd be seeing your doctor because your LDL was really low.

Whatever the 'good'ones are. hdl

 

[kinev]

wrong...if input (energy earned) =/= output (energy spent). Then fat becomes reality.

wrong...if input (energy earned) > output (energy spent) and a myriad of other, complex factors and fat becomes reality.

 

[Powermoloch]

wrong...if input (energy earned) > output (energy spent) and a myriad of other, complex factors and fat becomes reality.

still, if energy is not being spent, it's going to be stored.

 

[Muse]

Disagree. Runners have been eating such foods for thousands of years. Because it works. Why do you think so many runners carbo load for the week prior to a marathon.

As far as digestion goes, not much is going to be done in 90 minutes, but an hour into the run, its good to have that store of fuel for the body to tear into. Works wonders, believe, I know.

A marathon is something that very few people do and even marathoners don't do it often. A marathon is an extreme event and has severe negative consequences for the runner. It's been likened to "tearing up the carrots to see how they're growing." A marathoner may have a faster time by carbo loading but but none of this is really good for him/her. Ask any marathoner how they feel immediately after a race. The answer will be something like "spent, fatigued, thirsty, hungry, exhausted, please let me bend over and catch my breath and then lie down and rest (and begin the long road to recuperation)..."

 

[Muse]

"Cut back on potatoes, red meat, sweets and soda."

Agreed, but some red meat can be good. My doctor advised eating more red meat and green leafy veges when my blood test came in borderline anemic some years ago.

 

[Bateluer]

A marathon is something that very few people do and even marathoners don't do it often. A marathon is an extreme event and has severe negative consequences for the runner. It's been likened to "tearing up the carrots to see how they're growing." A marathoner may have a faster time by carbo loading but but none of this is really good for him/her. Ask any marathoner how they feel immediately after a race. The answer will be something like "spent, fatigued, thirsty, hungry, exhausted, please let me bend over and catch my breath and then lie down and rest (and begin the long road to recuperation)..."

I am an marathoner myself, and all of the above is bumpkiss. Even on my very first marathon, I wasn't completely spent, I walked around, spoke with volunteers, timers, other finishers, enjoyed the post-race food, had a soda. Day after, I was pretty sore, but I was still able to go about my usual daily activities with minimal detriment. If you ask a marathoner what they feel like when they cross the finish line, elation and pride will be the most common responses.

You don't carbo load to get a faster time, necessarily, though it helps. You carbo load so that you've got a good stockpile of fuel to burn during the run. It helps keep your energy up, energy gels and such aren't going cut it for the entire event. Since I've done events where I've taken no special dietary customs and one's where I've loaded, I can say the difference is substantial and well worth doing. Properly.

Contrary to your statement, your average marathon is not an extreme event. Ultras are extreme events, regular marathons on trails are extreme events. With proper training, your average street marathon is very do-able, and many runners complete multiple marathons in a year.

Long road to recovery? For someone in shape, this should be less than 2 weeks, and most marathoners will be running recovery runs within a few days. I usually take the day after the race off, and go out for a short 2-3 mile run the day after that.

I think I've got at least 3 normal marathons, plus some 25-30K trail runs, and a good have dozen half marathons on my calendar for this coming season. I'll likely post a thread with my calendar in it before I do the first event and update it with my times as I do them.

I find your post insulting in addition to its misinformation. Please try to learn more about running events before you post. Its very insulting to runners.

 

[Doppel]

Disagree. Runners have been eating such foods for thousands of years. Because it works. Why do you think so many runners carbo load for the week prior to a marathon.

As far as digestion goes, not much is going to be done in 90 minutes, but an hour into the run, its good to have that store of fuel for the body to tear into. Works wonders, believe, I know.

That's week prior, not right before a run. Anybody who's ever puked knows that even hours later their food can look similar to how it went in!

As long as you're not in a carb depleted state you shouldn't need to eat prior to a workout unless it's either quite long or quite intense. Even a fast 10k shouldn't really require any special intake of energy; it's just too short.

I see sometimes people at the gym drinking gatorade while doing a 30 min session of weights and wonder wth they think they are accomplishing.