New Start menu leaks in Windows build 9788

[code65536]

There was a printed card with a list of keyboard shortcuts included in a computer that I had bought from the Microsoft Store.

As for why they don't promote it more in general (like what Ubuntu does where the first thing you see when you log in for the first time is a screenful of keyboard shortcuts), if I had to guess, I'd say their reasoning is, "Casual users won't use these anyway and will just get scared/daunted by them, and advanced users know how to Google--er, Bing--it." When I set up computers for friends and family, I never bother teaching them keyboard shortcuts, even though that's what I use all the time. (When they watch me do stuff, they'd get mystified at all the things that happen without me even touching the mouse, and when I try to explain, they invariably think it's too complicated and hard to remember, so I don't bother to any more.)

 

[akugami]

I can say with total confidence that the contents of your live account, such as your settings, are not up for review at Microsoft. Also, why worry about what image you have as your background? Or preference to go to the desktop on boot? These settings aren't really personally identifiable info.


Moreover, in many cases Windows uploads anonymous info using mechanisms like SQM, and reporting data on Windows Update (such as updates installed, offered, downloaded, errors and such) and in some cases Microsoft can collect log information from a PC when an error is hit so they can understand it and find bugs(with user permissions, and all personal info is removed from what is sent to MS) through Dr. Watson.

I can't, and I try to limit my exposure. It's one thing to send bug reports which I do, but I'm not tying the computer into an online account.

You navigate the tree instead of just typing to search it? I know the program I want, and if I want visual studio, I just type "visual" and there it is. I haven't had to navigate the tree since Vista hit...

Actually I do type in a search for what I need to use such as msconfig.exe, services.msc, or cmd.exe. I just never really think about it. And before anyone asks, it's easier to get the search in the old Start Menu than from the Charms Bar.

 

[fabler]

And before anyone asks, it's easier to get the search in the old Start Menu than from the Charms Bar.

Puzzled by this. Right clicking the start icon , bottom left, on the desktop gives a lot of options.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Puzzled by this. Right clicking the start icon , bottom left, on the desktop gives a lot of options.

Also, windows key on your keyboard + x does the same thing as right clicking the icon.

I can't, and I try to limit my exposure. It's one thing to send bug reports which I do, but I'm not tying the computer into an online account.

My point is that Microsoft does everything possible to divorce your identity from info they collect; that info (in the form of SQM) is simply datapoints. It has nothing to do with you tying your PC to an account. There is quite literally no extra tracking added by logging in to an MSA that I'm aware of.

Actually I do type in a search for what I need to use such as msconfig.exe, services.msc, or cmd.exe. I just never really think about it. And before anyone asks, it's easier to get the search in the old Start Menu than from the Charms Bar.

Huh? You press the win key on your keyboard and start typing. There's no charms bar needed to search. In 8.1, typing on the start window searches programs and files, and allows you to click through to a bing search.

 

[fabler]

Mr BEAN you are quite right but I'm a keyboard typing illiterate and lazy to boot. Mouse clicks work for me....

 

[akugami]

Huh? You press the win key on your keyboard and start typing. There's no charms bar needed to search. In 8.1, typing on the start window searches programs and files, and allows you to click through to a bing search.

What if you don't have a keyboard. A lot of the systems I build are for environments without a keyboard. Besides, my Windows key is usually disabled cause I hate it when I accidentally press it. By the time I enable it, it's easier to just click the start menu button with the mouse. From that perspective, Win 8's method of bringing up the charms bar is slower for the way I work.

 

[RampantAndroid]

What if you don't have a keyboard. A lot of the systems I build are for environments without a keyboard. Besides, my Windows key is usually disabled cause I hate it when I accidentally press it. By the time I enable it, it's easier to just click the start menu button with the mouse. From that perspective, Win 8's method of bringing up the charms bar is slower for the way I work.

So your problem is either then, that you're disabling your winkey when it allows you numerous keyboard shortcuts, or that you're running Win8, when a move to 8.1 will allow you to forgo the charms bar and get a proper start menu button.

For the record, if you own Win8 legitimately, for personal use (ie, not an enterprise VL) you get 8.1 for free.

Either way, a start menu is easy to get to...

 

[Mem]

What if you don't have a keyboard. A lot of the systems I build are for environments without a keyboard. Besides, my Windows key is usually disabled cause I hate it when I accidentally press it. By the time I enable it, it's easier to just click the start menu button with the mouse. From that perspective, Win 8's method of bringing up the charms bar is slower for the way I work.

I hate keyboard shortcuts (yes I know Win8 has a lot of useful ones) and avoid charms bar most times,why you ask?.. Simple I use Win+X menu ie right click in left bottom corner with my mouse it has search and most stuff you need in there,I find it one of the most handy features of Win8/8.1 regardless of Metro Start or old desktop on 8/8.1.

I bet some users don't know you can even add stuff to it as well,http://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.30

 

[blankslate]

People are still arguing back and forth over personal peccadilloes in respect to how they prefer to interact with the ui?



Seriously the recent articles I have read about the upcoming Win 9 OS seems to indicate that everyone will have a great degree of choice whether they want to use "Metro" or the UI that is more like Win 7.


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[hardhat]

My point is that Microsoft does everything possible to divorce your identity from info they collect; that info (in the form of SQM) is simply datapoints. It has nothing to do with you tying your PC to an account. There is quite literally no extra tracking added by logging in to an MSA that I'm aware of.

Great, that's a relief. Could you link me to where Microsoft's data is publicly available so I can verify that myself? Or maybe just the quote from Microsoft saying they don't track any information by account or by identity? Or did you hear that from the new CEO during a company meeting?

 

[Mem]

People are still arguing back and forth over personal peccadilloes in respect to how they prefer to interact with the ui?



Seriously the recent articles I have read about the upcoming Win 9 OS seems to indicate that everyone will have a great degree of choice whether they want to use "Metro" or the UI that is more like Win 7.


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That is always the case with any OS,no right or wrong in how YOU prefer to use the OS,Win9 will be the same in that regard ie users will use it the way they want and what they feel is best for them.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Great, that's a relief. Could you link me to where Microsoft's data is publicly available so I can verify that myself? Or maybe just the quote from Microsoft saying they don't track any information by account or by identity? Or did you hear that from the new CEO during a company meeting?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2008.04.securitywatch.aspx (seems somewhat relevant)

Beyond that, look around or read the agreements around the "upload usage data" stuff.

 

[Vapid Cabal]

I hated windows 8...then I was "forced" into upgrading (long story involving ssd pcie trim support).

I am actually enjoying windows 8.1 pro WITHOUT any third any bring back start app.