New Start menu leaks in Windows build 9788

[ninaholic37]

What argument is there against this right now? They are giving you what you want and *hopefully* keeping the start screen for people who like it. Who is this change really displeasing?

I think it's kind of like your girlfriend turning into a whiny condescending b**** then stealing your money and then dumping you, so you end up having to change your life around, then find someone else and are happy with them, then the b**** ex starts asking you back out again. Fat chance Windows 8! You haven't changed, and trust is a hard thing to re-gain. All you want is my money and to control my life anyway. Plus I already found a Linux distro who I'm happier with and who treats me a lot better than you.

 

[blankslate]

I don't understand the arguments going on in this thread to be honest.

If people look around they can find articles that are pointing to much more customization options in Threshold than there was in Windows 8.

1. It's unknown if this is what will be coming to Windows 8 or Windows 9. I paid for Windows 8, and use it on my home system. It means I'd have to shell out more money to get back a feature they removed.

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-thresh...-plan-to-win-over-windows-7-users-7000031070/

The Microsoft OS team is hoping to get as many Windows 7 users moved to Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and Windows 8 users to Windows 8.1 Update in preparation for (hopefully) getting them to move to Threshold once it is out. It's still early in the Windows development cycle for Microsoft to have decided on packaging, pricing and distribution, but my sources say, at this point, that Windows Threshold is looking like it could be free to all Windows 8.1 Update, and maybe even Windows 7 Service Pack 1, users.

Microsoft is basically "done" with Windows 8.x. Regardless of how usable or functional it is or isn't, it has become Microsoft's Vista 2.0 — something from which Microsoft needs to distance itself, perception-wise. At this point, Microsoft is going full-steam-ahead toward Threshold and will do its best to differentiate that OS release from Windows 8.

There is a strong possibility that you might get Win 9 free if you have a Win 8 key or perhaps even a win 7 key. At least you may get a steep discount.



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[akugami]

Why do you have to shell out money,what about the many free Start Menu alternatives that are available?

Never been a big fan of needing a ton of add-ons just to improve the base OS. The other reason is, I did not use any Start Menu replacements to force myself to use the OS as it was intended to be used. Plus, I'm on the support and testing side of things. I have to know how these things work and use them efficiently when we have a problem that pops up. The client's computer is 99.99% guaranteed to not have a Start Menu replacement unless it comes from MS.

 

[Mem]

Never been a big fan of needing a ton of add-ons just to improve the base OS. The other reason is, I did not use any Start Menu replacements to force myself to use the OS as it was intended to be used. Plus, I'm on the support and testing side of things. I have to know how these things work and use them efficiently when we have a problem that pops up. The client's computer is 99.99% guaranteed to not have a Start Menu replacement unless it comes from MS.

I don't use any third party Start Menu either,took me about two weeks to get use to it,Win8.1 update made things even easier,regardless should be very interesting to see what the final version looks like on Win9.

 

[zokudu]

2 new screenshots out, built on July 13th.
http://www.myce.com/news/new-threshold-screenshots-show-start-menu-and-windowed-apps-72259/

 

[bbhaag]

I much prefer the tree view Start Menu.

In Windows 8, the Start Screen was such a crappy cluttered mess that I didn't know how this passed QA. This was fixed a bit in Windows 8.1 but now instead of a cluttered Start Screen, the All Apps screen is a cluttered mess.

I literally have a couple hundred icons floating around in the All Apps screen. Good thing there's a search in the All Apps screen in Win 8.1 because even though I know what I'm looking for but it's such a cluttered mess of icons that I can't find it. And yes, I've tried manually looking for a lesser used application and missed it, needing to resort to the search. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be skinned alive.

For me, and everyone is different, a hierarchical menu system is much preferred to what we have in Windows 8.

Compare this to Windows 7 Start Menu where I have an easy to navigate tree view, and I have a handy search window.



That is welcome news. I look forward to an OS that is designed for desktop usage again.

I have nothing against a touch based interface in a tablet or other touch based device. I'm just against it in a desktop environment where 99.99% of users are using a keyboard and mouse. I'm speaking as someone who works in an industry that is based around software designed for a touchscreens.

I'm not sure I can take this post seriously. Cleaning up the app screen is as easy as cleaning up the tree in win7. Right click>show folder>delete unnecessary bullshit.
Seriously man you want me to show you how? I can show you how file associations work in windows to if you want.

 

[fire400]

there are so many versions of linux (LXLE) that is (has been) coming up to speed with Windows.
stable. many skins. loads of community support. the UI's are becoming easier to use.

example: traktor (crappy interface bugs) and virtual DJ (trashy sound output issues) are competing against MIXXX (free...)

not to mention, if you buy a computer, as of today, it comes free with windows 8.1, and you don't even need "pro" version for basic home/business computing.

one of the coolest things about w8.1, is the choice of even wanting to install a start menu, and the various choices of start menus available.
...now if there was an option to disable tile screen, it would be epic. registry hack exists for this, but discretion advised.

 

[blankslate]

I'm not sure I can take this post seriously. Cleaning up the app screen is as easy as cleaning up the tree in win7. Right click>show folder>delete unnecessary bullshit.

People can be extremely particular about their UI. 8.1 seems to have all the start screen customization options that 8.0 should have had.

If Win 8 had all the options that Win 9 looks like it will have for the UI, threads like this one probably wouldn't exist and Win 8 probably would have had much higher rates of adoption upon release.


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[Imaginer]

As a server engineer. I kinda need those menu's to drill down. I go into an environment, I see a product I've used like twice maybe 5 years ago that the client needs support with.

"Let's see, I remember an application for this called....was it netba...no, symant...no backup mana...no...." So much easier to just click start, programs, and ohhh there's the folder for that product, here's the apps. Memory comes back, all good.

"All Apps" screen exists and allows you to look through that list (though I have gripes with this area as it is NOT PERFECT or close to quickly navigable by any stretch.

Also, what you mentioned, can be solved with just typing that in the Start Menu or Start Screen (which is even better) and if it searches files instead of everything, possibly much quicker than cursor dragging and clicking and scrolling a list. One thing though, is that there also should be an option to search executables or programs as well in the drop down selection.

 

[sourceninja]

"All Apps" screen exists and allows you to look through that list (though I have gripes with this area as it is NOT PERFECT or close to quickly navigable by any stretch.

Also, what you mentioned, can be solved with just typing that in the Start Menu or Start Screen (which is even better) and if it searches files instead of everything, possibly much quicker than cursor dragging and clicking and scrolling a list. One thing though, is that there also should be an option to search executables or programs as well in the drop down selection.

I know both of those things, in my day to day use I exclusively type. The problem stems from not having a clue what the client has installed on their machine, and the search not being very user friendly.

When a user has a few hundred things installed it's a PITA to scroll though apps looking for the major tools I need to resolve their issue, especially if I don't know what tools I'm looking for.

"My backups don't work!"

"Ok, what backup software do you use?"

"I don't know, fix it!"

 

[RampantAndroid]

1. It's unknown if this is what will be coming to Windows 8 or Windows 9. I paid for Windows 8, and use it on my home system. It means I'd have to shell out more money to get back a feature they removed.

2. Some people express credulity that not everyone works the same way they do. I know it's hard to understand, but not everyone does things the same way but we're still able to get from Point A to Point B.

PC Advisory had this theory about cost:

So how much will Windows 9 cost? Not a lot.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was free to consumers, although not to OEMs who purchase licences to put on PCs and laptops they sell. Even if customers have to pay to upgrade to Windows 9 they won't have to pay much. Just a few pounds.

Emphasis mine. People jump to so many conclusions.

 

[akugami]

I'm not sure I can take this post seriously. Cleaning up the app screen is as easy as cleaning up the tree in win7. Right click>show folder>delete unnecessary bullshit.
Seriously man you want me to show you how? I can show you how file associations work in windows to if you want.

Let me put it this way, when I build a new computer rig on a new case, I sit there a while and plan my wire routing to create the cleanest wiring possible. I've been known to take over an hour just to route the wiring correctly. This is to promote air flow within the case and also if I need to change components, the wiring should not get in the way. Is this necessary? No. Some people need wear their lucky sports jersey when they go to a sporting event, I like to keep my computer well maintained. I could get the computer built in about half an hour depending on how difficult the case is to work with but I like a clean work environment. That goes for the OS GUI and the actual computer hardware.

 

[code65536]

Let me put it this way, when I build a new computer rig on a new case, I sit there a while and plan my wire routing to create the cleanest wiring possible. I've been known to take over an hour just to route the wiring correctly. This is to promote air flow within the case and also if I need to change components, the wiring should not get in the way. Is this necessary? No. Some people need wear their lucky sports jersey when they go to a sporting event, I like to keep my computer well maintained. I could get the computer built in about half an hour depending on how difficult the case is to work with but I like a clean work environment. That goes for the OS GUI and the actual computer hardware.

But if you're willing to spend an hour for the perfect cable routing, why not spend few minutes to unpin all the default junk on the Start Screen and pin up the stuff that you use?

I hate the default SS, BTW. I really don't care about the latest health tips or sports news. But it doesn't bother me because it's so easy to get rid of that cruft.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Let me put it this way, when I build a new computer rig on a new case, I sit there a while and plan my wire routing to create the cleanest wiring possible. I've been known to take over an hour just to route the wiring correctly. This is to promote air flow within the case and also if I need to change components, the wiring should not get in the way. Is this necessary? No. Some people need wear their lucky sports jersey when they go to a sporting event, I like to keep my computer well maintained. I could get the computer built in about half an hour depending on how difficult the case is to work with but I like a clean work environment. That goes for the OS GUI and the actual computer hardware.

Do it once, log into live account, next time you do it, set up the machine and migrate the start menu from your previous machine....?

 

[Imaginer]

"My backups don't work!"

"Ok, what backup software do you use?"

"I don't know, fix it!"

When a customer is in a panic or stressed, it doesn't matter what anyone does - that customer would have been in a blank and fixated on the problem, UI or not.

Same with car problems, same with appliance problems.

It is even more compounded if a customer has to take care other non-computer related problems (i.e. employee management, other failing equipment not computer related, bad day... etc).

 

[sourceninja]

When a customer is in a panic or stressed, it doesn't matter what anyone does - that customer would have been in a blank and fixated on the problem, UI or not.

Same with car problems, same with appliance problems.

It is even more compounded if a customer has to take care other non-computer related problems (i.e. employee management, other failing equipment not computer related, bad day... etc).

With a normal start menu, I can click on start, see a folder that says "Backupexec" or "veeam", etc and just know what product they are using and then look at the tools (If i'm not familiar with the product) to see what I might need to open to accomplish a task.

In 8/2012 I have to go to programs and features, look at what is installed, google the names of the management apps, then use the product.

 

[zokudu]

With a normal start menu, I can click on start, see a folder that says "Backupexec" or "veeam", etc and just know what product they are using and then look at the tools (If i'm not familiar with the product) to see what I might need to open to accomplish a task.

In 8/2012 I have to go to programs and features, look at what is installed, google the names of the management apps, then use the product.

You do know these folders show up as heading on the All Apps menu right? So the Malwarebytes folder is headed Malwarebytes with the actual app, notifications and help file listed underneath. You can also click on these headings to get a listing of just the headings, so you can find the 'folder' you're looking for.

 

[Imaginer]

With a normal start menu, I can click on start, see a folder that says "Backupexec" or "veeam", etc and just know what product they are using and then look at the tools (If i'm not familiar with the product) to see what I might need to open to accomplish a task.

In 8/2012 I have to go to programs and features, look at what is installed, google the names of the management apps, then use the product.

You have to do that anyways, if programs that a user installs have them uncheck installing to the Start Menu / Start Screen all apps area anyways.

Also, hit that down arrow, CTRL + mouse wheel and you see all folders that have programs been installed.

Problem with clicking a folder and zooming back in, there isn't a clear distinction of that folder selected. But it is in a general vicinity if you have a long list of programs + docs + utilities to scroll through.

 

[LPCTech]

Changes were made that make normal use less ideal than before. = failure.

Its an upgrade thats a downgrade. I can and have learned all the keyboard shortcuts for win 8 but...that time I was learning that could have been used for something else.

Defend win 8 all ya want. It was horribly conceived and executed. Far worse than vista.

Im typing this from a win 8.1 pro laptop with classic shell installed.

Yes its a better operating system. Under the UI. But the UI is all anyone mostly sees. We are tech guys. For the average user win 8 is a nightmare.

I know, because I fix old peoples pc's online. Win 8 makes EVERYTHING i would do on win 7 much more time consuming. As far as removing malware and changing settings etc.

Also win 8 is hyper psycho carnival ugly. The tiles are awful. I have my machine in a state I like it now with win 8.1 but it took a few hours to get it that way and learn things that cost me time I coulda used for other stuff.

There is no reason why Win 8 could not have had the IDENTICAL UI to win 7 with the same features underneath.

They just wanted to make money with their little mobile crap. It was an FU to desktop users and desktop users were their main market.

Win 8 = greed, arrogance, foolishness, and stupidity at least concerning the UI.

Too bad, cuz the OS underneath is fine.

No offence if you like the way it looks, I just disagree.

And sadly win 9 even if its use and UI is improved looks like its still gonna be circus ugly.

LXLE on the other hand is beautiful. lol rant over.

 

[akugami]

But if you're willing to spend an hour for the perfect cable routing, why not spend few minutes to unpin all the default junk on the Start Screen and pin up the stuff that you use?

I hate the default SS, BTW. I really don't care about the latest health tips or sports news. But it doesn't bother me because it's so easy to get rid of that cruft.

The problem is you sort of have to feel out the OS with Windows 8. I navigate the tree view start menu much much much much faster than the Start Screen or All Apps screen. And without needing any customization. Windows 8's Start Screen and All Apps screen is a huge step back in terms of usability for a lot of people. That's the point I'm trying to make.

Do it once, log into live account, next time you do it, set up the machine and migrate the start menu from your previous machine....?

What, so MS can log everything I do? No thank you. MS and Google already have me tracked up the wazoo via my outlook.com and gmail.com email accounts. Also, I'm wary of the security issues with tying my Win8 OS to a Live account. Call me old fashioned but I don't do facebook, twitter, or whatever the social app du jour is. Now get off my lawn.

 

[RampantAndroid]

What, so MS can log everything I do? No thank you. MS and Google already have me tracked up the wazoo via my outlook.com and gmail.com email accounts. Also, I'm wary of the security issues with tying my Win8 OS to a Live account. Call me old fashioned but I don't do facebook, twitter, or whatever the social app du jour is. Now get off my lawn.

I can say with total confidence that the contents of your live account, such as your settings, are not up for review at Microsoft. Also, why worry about what image you have as your background? Or preference to go to the desktop on boot? These settings aren't really personally identifiable info.

Moreover, in many cases Windows uploads anonymous info using mechanisms like SQM, and reporting data on Windows Update (such as updates installed, offered, downloaded, errors and such) and in some cases Microsoft can collect log information from a PC when an error is hit so they can understand it and find bugs(with user permissions, and all personal info is removed from what is sent to MS) through Dr. Watson.

The problem is you sort of have to feel out the OS with Windows 8. I navigate the tree view start menu much much much much faster than the Start Screen or All Apps screen. And without needing any customization. Windows 8's Start Screen and All Apps screen is a huge step back in terms of usability for a lot of people. That's the point I'm trying to make.

You navigate the tree instead of just typing to search it? I know the program I want, and if I want visual studio, I just type "visual" and there it is. I haven't had to navigate the tree since Vista hit...

 

[Ketchup]

Why are you folks turning into a Windows 8 hate thread? We have had plenty of those.

 

[sourceninja]

You have to do that anyways, if programs that a user installs have them uncheck installing to the Start Menu / Start Screen all apps area anyways.

Also, hit that down arrow, CTRL + mouse wheel and you see all folders that have programs been installed.

Problem with clicking a folder and zooming back in, there isn't a clear distinction of that folder selected. But it is in a general vicinity if you have a long list of programs + docs + utilities to scroll through.

Wow, I just learned something new. Maybe that's the fucking problem though. Microsoft really has no educational material on how to use the new start menu.

I've been a system engineer for 15 years, and I just learned the ctrl-mouse to see the folders...

At least it addresses my complaints.

 

[YanKleber]

Call me a dinossaur: tiles sucks. meh.

 

[Imaginer]

Wow, I just learned something new. Maybe that's the fucking problem though. Microsoft really has no educational material on how to use the new start menu.

I've been a system engineer for 15 years, and I just learned the ctrl-mouse to see the folders...

At least it addresses my complaints.

That is my complaints about when 8.0 initially released and still to an extent 8.1. The tutorial exists and is invoked upon NEW account creation but not for an existing user to use a system. There is a help - but I mainly found my ins and outs with the new Windows 8 OS just simply by exploring and playing with it.

Ctrl + mouse wheel works on the Start Screen too. It is a universal zoom/scaling adjustment for web browsers too.