New speculation of an Israeli attack on Iran.

[cybrsage]

Netanyahu is not a Messianic Jew...he is a Conservative Jew. The different is huge, as Messianic Jews believe Y'shua (Jesus) is the Messiah and Conservative Jews do not.

 

[Lemon law]

Netanyahu is not a Messianic Jew...he is a Conservative Jew. The different is huge, as Messianic Jews believe Y'shua (Jesus) is the Messiah and Conservative Jews do not.

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Cybrsage, I did not call Netanyuhu a messianic Jew, I called him a messianic character. Messianic character like Hitler, David Koresh, and so many others believe they are infallible, and the longer they can fend off the inevitable end, the more convinced they become of their own genius.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pardon me if I observe, we are trying to impose our forum logic to predict what a messianic Character like Netanyuhu might do.

But in breaking news. it looks like Iran and the IAEA are about to ink a deal that will solve the inspection problems.

If Iran acts in good faith and we are allowed access as the IAEA determines appropriate and are allowed to determine what has recently been hauled out of sites, and assuming all seems well then we can stand down. I'd like that. If Iran is acting in good faith I'd even support midyear tech support which can't be subverted.

 

[cybrsage]

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Cybrsage, I did not call Netanyuhu a messianic Jew, I called him a messianic character. Messianic character like Hitler, David Koresh, and so many others believe they are infallible, and the longer they can fend off the inevitable end, the more convinced they become of their own genius.

He does not consider himself infallable, nor the promised and expected deliverer of the Jewish people.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

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Cybrsage, I did not call Netanyuhu a messianic Jew, I called him a messianic character. Messianic character like Hitler, David Koresh, and so many others believe they are infallible, and the longer they can fend off the inevitable end, the more convinced they become of their own genius.

You are projecting again.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

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Cybrsage, I did not call Netanyuhu a messianic Jew, I called him a messianic character. Messianic character like Hitler, David Koresh, and so many others believe they are infallible, and the longer they can fend off the inevitable end, the more convinced they become of their own genius.

You forgot to include Ahmadinejad and his belief in the imminent arrival of the 12th Imam.

 

[Lemon law]

You forgot to include Ahmadinejad and his belief in the imminent arrival of the 12th Imam.

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I have always felt like Achmadinejad was more of an idiotic type, And since he is rather powerless despite his impressive title, he is about as reliable as the Iraqi Information minister
and less comical to listen to. And now Achmadinejad is in the dog house for defying the head Ayottolah.

But if you TLC, want to label him as messianic, feel free to do so under your own authorship.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

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I have always felt like Achmadinejad was more of an idiotic type, And since he is rather powerless despite his impressive title, he is about as reliable as the Iraqi Information minister
and less comical to listen to. And now Achmadinejad is in the dog house for defying the head Ayottolah.

But if you TLC, want to label him as messianic, feel free to do so under your own authorship.

I will and did label him as messianic already under my own authorship to remind you of your oversight. The label stands despite your attempts to make apologies for him and his alleged lack of power. He himself may not have much power but he is still the puppet of the Imams and essentially says what they want him to say whenever they want him to say it. If you think he is freely speaking his own mind as he sees fit you are even more delusional than usual.

 

[cybrsage]

Obama, since he professes to be a Christian, is also messianic...and he has the ability to launch thousands of nuclear warheads. If I was LL, I would be more worried about Obama.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well then you've laid LLs fear to rest. Israel won't be attacking Iran.

Not if the US has made it clear we won't be drawn into it, which is subject to manipulation of public opinion by the usual pro-Zionist forces.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Not if the US has made it clear we won't be drawn into it, which is subject to manipulation of public opinion by the usual pro-Zionist forces.

Or it could be subject to fearmongering by the usual suspects:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...with-iran-over-suspected-weapons-program?lite

The chief of the U.N. nuclear agency said Tuesday that he had reached a deal with Iran on probing suspected work on nuclear weapons and the agreement would "be signed quite soon."

Yukiya Amano, of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said some details still needed to be worked out. But he told reporters that Iranian officials say that those will not stand in the way of signing the deal.

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It appears Iran is acquiescing to the pressure and have recognized there's really no way things would work out in their favor if they continue their hard-nosed attitude.

Hopefully they follow through with this. If not, things could go sour very quickly.

 

[Jhhnn]

Or it could be subject to fearmongering by the usual suspects:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...with-iran-over-suspected-weapons-program?lite


It appears Iran is acquiescing to the pressure and have recognized there's really no way things would work out in their favor if they continue their hard-nosed attitude.

Hopefully they follow through with this. If not, things could go sour very quickly.

Standard pro-Israeli spin. Iran agreed in principle to such inspections months ago. Now they're ironing out the details.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Standard pro-Israeli spin. Iran agreed in principle to such inspections months ago. Now they're ironing out the details.

Why, of course. The Israeli agent, Yukiya Amano, has everyone fooled but you, Jhhnn.

lol.

 

[Lemon law]

Gotta love the TLC signature line of " Don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes. Then you'll be a mile away and you have his shoes too."

Pardon me TLC as I want to observe, with a sense of humor, that yes you would happily steal some one else shoes, be a mile down the road, and still be the emperor who wears no clothes other than stolen shoes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Why, of course. The Israeli agent, Yukiya Amano, has everyone fooled but you, Jhhnn.

lol.

Maybe Moonbeam is right. Amano confirms what the Iranians said months ago, and you think it's some way to fluff sanctions & condemn Iran at the same time. Amazing.

There are two sides to every story, even if one is just soundbites intended for propaganda purposes.

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/21/is-iaea-greasing-skids-to-iran-war/

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Gotta love the TLC signature line of " Don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes. Then you'll be a mile away and you have his shoes too."

Pardon me TLC as I want to observe, with a sense of humor, that yes you would happily steal some one else shoes, be a mile down the road, and still be the emperor who wears no clothes other than stolen shoes.

To also observe with a sense of humor...don't worry LL. I won't be walking away in your shoes. I have no desire to steal a pair of clown shoes.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Maybe Moonbeam is right. Amano confirms what the Iranians said months ago, and you think it's some way to fluff sanctions & condemn Iran at the same time. Amazing.

There are two sides to every story, even if one is just soundbites intended for propaganda purposes.

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/21/is-iaea-greasing-skids-to-iran-war/

Yes, there are two sides to every story. Generally when that is the case the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yet you want to insist only one side is correct and seem to march in lockstop with every talking point they utter while claiming anything the other side says is based Israeli propaganda and soundbytes. Not only do you appear to be paranoid making such claims, it shows precisely how extremely biased you are on the issue.

 

[JEDIYoda]

No they won't. If they could, they'd have already done so.

That threat never had any credibility other than for the weak minded, and the more often it's repeated with no action, the less credible it becomes.

okay--whatever you say Sherlock.....

 

[OCGuy]

Is there any country in the world that would really care if Iran was bombed back to the stone-age?

The last thing ANYONE wants is a Persian Bomb. They will all either look the other way or actually help the process.

Russia won't even deliver the S-400 AA. That is intentional.

 

[woolfe9999]

You are projecting again. .

Come on, he went almost 2 posts without bringing Hitler or the Nazis into the discussion. He was going through withdrawal. It's a disease.

He deserves our pity.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No they won't. If they could, they'd have already done so.

That threat never had any credibility other than for the weak minded, and the more often it's repeated with no action, the less credible it becomes.

Ok they can't

Not if the US has made it clear we won't be drawn into it, which is subject to manipulation of public opinion by the usual pro-Zionist forces.

Ok they can.



Which way is the wind blowing now?

 

[Lemon law]

As this thread blunders on exchanging opinions, this link is the state of progress in the latest round of talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplom...orld-powers-in-baghdad-nuclear-talks-1.432209

As, IMHO, Iran makes their proposals based on the nuclear non proliferation treaty, which should make sense to all.

After all, the NPT defines it as 100% for any nation in the world to engage in the peace time use of nuclear power for electrical power generation.

While the NPT defines it as 100% illegal for any nation that has signed the treaty to engage in making nuclear weapons. Where that leaves Israel as a non signatory to the NPT, is a side question as its widely conceded Israel has a 100+ nuclear bombs already with more and being produced.

But where is that dividing line between 100% legal and illegal? As its already basically agreed its at the beyond 20% U235 level. As long as Iran, with inspect and verify provision never progresses beyond 20% enrichment, Iran can never develop a single Uranium based bomb.

Yet based on nothing but suspicion and nothing but, the hard line Israeli position demands no Iranian Uranium enrichment at all. Which catch 22 means how can Iran build any nuclear reactors to generate electricity?

And then to make the Israeli position totally absurd, why should the IAEA or the world listen to a word Israel utters when they have nukes, never signed to NPT, and got their nukes on the sneak. Which basically gives Iran the same right to drop out of the NPT which will then elevate Iran to the same high moral level as Israel.

The whole thing makes no logical sense.

Unless someone liked the logic of the Saddam had WMD charge that proved to be totally false, was the sole base of GWB's attack on Iraq which proved to be a total disaster and an expensive quagmire to boot. And a US foreign policy disaster as it alienated many of our allies and resulted in a giant loss in terms of US credibility.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

As this thread blunders on exchanging opinions, this link is the state of progress in the latest round of talks.

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/diplom...orld-powers-in-baghdad-nuclear-talks-1.432209

As, IMHO, Iran makes their proposals based on the nuclear non proliferation treaty, which should make sense to all.

After all, the NPT defines it as 100% for any nation in the world to engage in the peace time use of nuclear power for electrical power generation.

While the NPT defines it as 100% illegal for any nation that has signed the treaty to engage in making nuclear weapons. Where that leaves Israel as a non signatory to the NPT, is a side question as its widely conceded Israel has a 100+ nuclear bombs already with more and being produced.

But where is that dividing line between 100% legal and illegal? As its already basically agreed its at the beyond 20% U235 level. As long as Iran, with inspect and verify provision never progresses beyond 20% enrichment, Iran can never develop a single Uranium based bomb.

Yet based on nothing but suspicion and nothing but, the hard line Israeli position demands no Iranian Uranium enrichment at all. Which catch 22 means how can Iran build any nuclear reactors to generate electricity?

And then to make the Israeli position totally absurd, why should the IAEA or the world listen to a word Israel utters when they have nukes, never signed to NPT, and got their nukes on the sneak. Which basically gives Iran the same right to drop out of the NPT which will then elevate Iran to the same high moral level as Israel.

The whole thing makes no logical sense.

Unless someone liked the logic of the Saddam had WMD charge that proved to be totally false, was the sole base of GWB's attack on Iraq which proved to be a total disaster and an expensive quagmire to boot. And a US foreign policy disaster as it alienated many of our allies and resulted in a giant loss in terms of US credibility.

If the rest of the world has sufficient access as they define it and bomb grade uranium is unavailable then Israel will not attack Iran because of nuclear threat. At that point this concern is over.

 

[Abwx]

If Iran acts in good faith and we are allowed access as the IAEA determines appropriate and are allowed to determine what has recently been hauled out of sites, and assuming all seems well then we can stand down. I'd like that. If Iran is acting in good faith I'd even support midyear tech support which can't be subverted.

Iran wants back their status as an advanced scientific nation,
and to reach this goal mastering of nuclear energy is only one
among numerous fields in wich they are targeting the leadership.

Israel s real concern is not Iran going nuclear but rather seeing
this country reaching an economical importance close to the one
of Germany as witnessed by their exponential scientific
develloppement.

As such , what we see is a desesperate zionist inspired
propaganda to block any economic develloppement of
this country, the nuclear issue being a convenient cover..

The real issue at stake is Iran being the dominant ME nation.

A 2010 report by Canadian research firm Science-Metrix has put Iran in the top rank globally in terms of growth in scientific productivity with a 14.4 growth index followed by South Korea with a 9.8 growth index.[150] Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year, Iran has already surpassed the total scientific output of countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Austria or that of Norway.[151][152][153]

. Overall the growth has mostly occurred after 1980 and specially has been becoming faster since 1991 with a significant acceleration in 2002 and an explosive surge since 2005.[150][151][155][156][157][158] It has been argued that scientific and technological advancement besides the nuclear program is the main reason for United States worry about Iran, which may become a superpower in the future.[159][160][161]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Iran wants back their status as an advanced scientific nation,
and to reach this goal mastering of nuclear energy is only one
among numerous fields in wich they are targeting the leadership.

Israel s real concern is not Iran going nuclear but rather seeing
this country reaching an economical importance close to the one
of Germany as witnessed by their exponential scientific
develloppement.

As such , what we see is a desesperate zionist inspired
propaganda to block any economic develloppement of
this country, the nuclear issue being a convenient cover..

The real issue at stake is Iran being the dominant ME nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

It seems that there is nothing which requires nuclear weapons capability. If Iran wants to be a peaceful leader in scientific and technical endeavors then go for it and no one will bother them.