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New Shelby GT500 goes to the dyno
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DivideBYZero
Lifer
That's a fairly ignorant statement considering the history of the Nissan Z cars. And wasn't the last GT-500 a big let down on the Dyno?
Pulsar
Diamond Member
This is exactly the issue. When product designed the car, they found that the rear wheel width is limited by the wheel wells to a degree that was.... limiting.
They are as wide as they can be without sticking out of the wells - but aftermarket tires that are wider would be an extremely good idea.....
Pulsar
Diamond Member
Let's not compare apples to oranges, OK? A Z isn't a mustang and a mustang isn't a Z. The current generation of Mustangs simply are NOT handling cars. Like it or lump it, it is what it is. It's a balls to the wall horsepower car that's scary fun to drive, but it's a heavy car too and that does nothing to help it's performance.
PS - to the poster that said you can't up the redline. Bullshit. Real world experience says very much otherwise. Dyno tests say you can as well.
The 2010 is even more exciting:
Compared to its predecessor, the new GT500 gains stiffer springs both front and rear along with firmer damping, intended to reduce roll in corners, dive under braking and squat under acceleration. New 19" wheels and bespoke Goodyear F1 Supercar tires boost grip. Revised aerodynamics mean downforce is up and drag is down. Thanks to a cold air intake and other tweaks, power and torque are up 40 HP and 30 Lb-Ft, respectively. Combined with a change in rear differential ratio from 3.31 to 3.55 and longer fifth and sixth gears, acceleration is improved from 4.6 to 4.3 seconds to 60 MPH and fuel economy on the highway is boosted 2 MPG to 22 MPG.
No, the last GT-500 was not a big let down on the dyno, any normal GT-500 puts out around 430/430 to the wheels. Good drivers have run them mid/low 12's all day at 114-116mph STOCK.
What all of you don't realize about a GT500 is with an extra 1,000 dollars, you can intake, pulley, and tune the car, and you'll get up to about 550rwhp/550rwtq to the wheels and be able to run mid low 11's with a set of tires all day long.
DVad3r
Diamond Member
Not ignorant. Use my mom as an example, a European person who knows nothing about cars, but yet she can point out a GT-500 on the road. Nissans she doesn't even know what they are, keeps mistaking the symbol with a Lexus.
And like people have said here, it's no secret the car isn't the best at handling, but it's fun as hell to drive. So yea the previous one didn't meet dyno expectations, who cares? It's more than enough grunt.
Yeah, maybe they are listing conservative 0-60 times, but it's not helping them per the article in the link (scroll down and look at #4 - average of $2,186 eeesh...)
http://finance.yahoo.com/insur...re?mod=insurance-autos
GoatMonkey
Golden Member
The 2010 GT is not that bad, at least by the numbers. The last issue of Car and Driver put it at .92g on the skidpad. Significantly better than the Camaro (.85g) and Challenger (.78g). Of course real world it's not going to match a 370z, especially when you hit bumps mid corner. But in the ideal conditions of a skidpad, 0.92g is pretty good.
PlasmaBomb
Lifer
A 370z traps at about 102 mph.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
Well it does have 'GT500' plastered on both sides... 😉
exar333
Diamond Member
Isn't that the definition of ignorance? Does she confuse a Ford logo with a Subaru logo too? Because that look's a lot closer to a Nissan and Lexus logo....
Some people might say that a car that handles well IS fun to drive, and makes it just that. The GT500 is ~$50,000 and is on-par with the Camaro SS for almost half the price....
I'm not saying it's not a great car, but there are cars that either handle better and are similar in acceleration for a lot less, and there are cars with similar power and handling for almost half the amount.
And it would be a little premature to call the 2010 GT 500 a legacy; the name might be, but the car isn't nearly there yet. If this car was starting in the high 30's, it truly could be a classic, but it's overpriced for the handling you get. The Z06 would be a better buy for the same money, and you could pick up a used one for half this amount, without a lot of trouble.
exdeath
Lifer
You can thank the Barrett-Jackson phenomenon for that and the retarded dealer price gouging over MSRP on cars like these and the Challenger.
If you want a performance bargain that subscribes to the REAL muscle car formula (eg: performance & value), find a low mileage Terminator and put some wrench time into 'fixing' the factory NVH compromises.
Or better yet, keep it stock. 20-30 years from now it's going to be cars like the Terminators that are driven, modified, wrecked, and eventually dwindle away, cars that people don't think twice about now that have a story behind them and set milestones that become the collectibles in the future, when people look back and remember when they ruled the road and wish they kept theirs when they become hard to find. Not the self labeled "instant collectibles" that 50,000 investors bought on a wait list to horde them and lock them up on ice for 30 years and nobody ever really even saw them or experienced them.
What makes cars like these great is you get a lot of bang for the buck. When you are paying 2-3x more, you suddenly aren't getting as much bang for the price bracket and other options are more attractive.
Remember the key point of the muscle car era was that back then these were just ordinary cars of the day that anybody could buy and nobody really cared about, nothing special and not overpriced. Back then a 70 Challenger was just another Honda Civic, a cheap disposable car that got you from point A to B as cheap as possible, but with a little thrill.
A $80,000 Mustang (KR and stuff) is not something anybody can buy, or would buy even if they did have the money. It's just a way to throw a pulley, tune, and some plastic on the car, give it a unique vin, and expand profit margins by selling to those who have millions to blow collecting cars they will never drive in hopes they can flip it in 30 years.
Yeah I'm a little bitter. I remember not even a decade or two ago you could find a restorable car like a 70 Challenger sitting in the back yard of any random house on 4 rotted tires and offer $500 for it and fix it up by rummaging bone yards. Now you have Barrett-Jackson assholes who comb the country buying up everything to fix up and sell to each other for $100,000+ and keep them locked up in basements. Now you have people that won't even part with worthless rusted out shells for less than $20,000 because they saw one sell on Barrett-Jackson for $100,000+.
Current and future generations of average Joe rest of us little guys will never know what it's like to pick up a classic car and restore it on our spare time because of those pricks.
TehMac
Diamond Member
I feel your anger man, but don't you think the 'average joe' might have contributed to this rush as well? At least back maybe 10 years ago or so? Maybe even 15-20.
That said, what is a terminator? I have never heard of that car.
A friend of mine purchased a 1968 convertible mustang for 12k, black, beautiful car, made me get into mustangs and the like. But it was almost scrap, the seats were a bit torn and certainly worn, the clutch pedal spring once went flat, the ignition itself went dead, the car was a hassle. But he loved it, I bet he put around 2k of repairs into it, and sold it for around 17k.
This was because he got a Subaru STi instead.
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