What is this?? the guy is just trying to show that he has different batches of the card.
Back on topic:
NVIDIA only presents the design of the chip. It is up to each fab to decide how the actual chip wil tap out. Small differences in transister spacing can lead to the extra length. They could have even cut the wafer differently. There are also many suppliers of silicon wafers, so the difference could be just that. If they fixed the VPU, it would have a new revision. Seeing how it is still A1, I doubt that happened. As for the differences in clock speed, BIOS versions are different. There was a big thread about how a large batch of 6800 cards were incorrectly loaded with 6800LE BIOS so they had only 8 pipelines, and manufacturers had to release a fixed BIOS. Things like this does happen, esp with a returned card since they do individual testing with it.
Back on topic:
NVIDIA only presents the design of the chip. It is up to each fab to decide how the actual chip wil tap out. Small differences in transister spacing can lead to the extra length. They could have even cut the wafer differently. There are also many suppliers of silicon wafers, so the difference could be just that. If they fixed the VPU, it would have a new revision. Seeing how it is still A1, I doubt that happened. As for the differences in clock speed, BIOS versions are different. There was a big thread about how a large batch of 6800 cards were incorrectly loaded with 6800LE BIOS so they had only 8 pipelines, and manufacturers had to release a fixed BIOS. Things like this does happen, esp with a returned card since they do individual testing with it.
codeyf
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Originally posted by: rbV5
BS, its WAY PAST DUE. That moderator isn't the only one tired of Rollo's stupid shenanigans. I don't know another member who has crapped on more theads and slung more flaming insults in the Video forum. He seems to think that this is Video P/N, and the lack of warnings and moderation up untill now have only served to give him the go-ahead to keep it up and encourage others to join in on the "fun":roll:...now maybe a little more thinking before he starts his nonesense again...ABOUT FRIKIN" TIME. :thumbsup: to the mods
Agreed.
Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
No butter or salt for me please
toffee please....and i wanna go large for an extra 30 cents
No, I'm not "misinstalling" the NV5, as I said, I'm A+ Certified, and deal with heatsinks all of the time, and not just video cards, but CPU's as well. I'm not stupid, and I know how to mount a heatsink, and I also know how to use AS. I don't drive market price up, and as far as I'm concerned, you can burn in hell too, a$$hole.
EDIT: How is it that a single person can drive up market prices anyway?
Alright, gefrocetony, i didn' t want to slam you and whatever yuor ethics are nut i have to expose a lie.
remember, i dont know or care weather you "stole" or legimiately RMAed 4 gf6900gts from XFX, but you profile clearly states you are a a k-12 student in Arizona!
ANICHOLA1462@student.peoriaud.k12.az.us
NOTICE...................^....................^
...............................|STUDENT.......| K-12 grades!
NO way you are A+ certified and dont bother to reply saying you have a side job or something and you ARE A+ certified. show me a pic of your certification certificate/ test results and i'll believe you!
A+ cert takes so much time, no middle/high schooler is ever likely to be a+ certified. no way you had time for homework, a+ classes or study, school, other stuff.
you go to Peoria Unified School District #11(http://www.peoriaud.k12.az.us/)
i dont give a damn how hard you screw a company like xfx over, but NEVER lie on these forums.
remember, i dont know or care weather you "stole" or legimiately RMAed 4 gf6900gts from XFX, but you profile clearly states you are a a k-12 student in Arizona!
ANICHOLA1462@student.peoriaud.k12.az.us
NOTICE...................^....................^
...............................|STUDENT.......| K-12 grades!
NO way you are A+ certified and dont bother to reply saying you have a side job or something and you ARE A+ certified. show me a pic of your certification certificate/ test results and i'll believe you!
A+ cert takes so much time, no middle/high schooler is ever likely to be a+ certified. no way you had time for homework, a+ classes or study, school, other stuff.
you go to Peoria Unified School District #11(http://www.peoriaud.k12.az.us/)
i dont give a damn how hard you screw a company like xfx over, but NEVER lie on these forums.
Man, I really, REALLY don't see what the big deal is. So what, even if he did void his warranty, the only people taking it in the shorts are the people of XFX, and they deserve it. So what if XFX raises their prices? Then people will be able to make intelligent choices and look elsewhere for graphics cards. Personally, I have no reason to think that geforcetony has done anything wrong, and, as previously stated, if he has, I don't care. I DON'T CARE.
And, on a happier note...
*does the "Rollo got suspended* jig*
to the mods.
And, on a happier note...
*does the "Rollo got suspended* jig*
to the mods.Originally posted by: slash196
Man, I really, REALLY don't see what the big deal is. So what, even if he did void his warranty, the only people taking it in the shorts are the people of XFX, and they deserve it. So what if XFX raises their prices? Then people will be able to make intelligent choices and look elsewhere for graphics cards. Personally, I have no reason to think that geforcetony has done anything wrong, and, as previously stated, if he has, I don't care. I DON'T CARE.
And, on a happier note...
*does the "Rollo got suspended* jig*
You are dancing after having admitted you know a "real cock" when you see one?
I dont know, a guy who knows alot about "major boners" and "real cocks" is one I'd prefer to keep my distance from.
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: slash196
Man, I really, REALLY don't see what the big deal is. So what, even if he did void his warranty, the only people taking it in the shorts are the people of XFX, and they deserve it. So what if XFX raises their prices? Then people will be able to make intelligent choices and look elsewhere for graphics cards. Personally, I have no reason to think that geforcetony has done anything wrong, and, as previously stated, if he has, I don't care. I DON'T CARE.
And, on a happier note...
*does the "Rollo got suspended* jig*
You are dancing after having admitted you know a "real cock" when you see one?
I dont know, a guy who knows alot about "major boners" and "real cocks" is one I'd prefer to keep my distance from.
So what, it's a crime for me to see myself naked? You'd prefer a guy with no junk of his own?
Ok I am lost ... what are factory clock speeds for a 6800GT??
Mine is 350/1000 ... what am I missing here?
(Not going to wade thru the rest of this thread, but apologies if anyone's mentioned this before.)
If the core and memory clocks are multiples of the reference clock, it's possible your reference clock is off. Divide the core and mem clocks by 27 and then multiply by 25 (seems like a "rounder" reference clock) and you get ~350/500.
VirtualLarry
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Did that article actually say that? Or did it say that MS supplied beta .DLLs that enabled PureVideo to work? Remember, the two are not the same. The article, IIRC, was about NV's newly-announced "PureVideo", not whether or not the PVP was actually doing any work or not.
You need to (very carefully) read between the lines here, NV has engaged in a strong disinformation campaign here to deflect the possibility of a lawsuit over the PVP issue, IMHO.
I'm going to have to go and re-read the AT article to make sure though.
VirtualLarry
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Essentially. Advanced de-interlace/scaling/smooth-playback support. The need for the patch for WMP, at least as far as I know given the information that I've seen, is to enable the last item, by porting the custom-written "allocater/presenter" .DLL from XP MCE 2005 WMP to normal XP's WMP10.
I still think it kind of stinks that NV will require people to plunk down $20 for their advanced DVD decoder, when they already spent $300-400 for the card. They should be able to sign up on a web site, punch in their cards (unique?) serial number, and be allowed to download a special version of the software, locked to their particular card, IMHO.
VirtualLarry
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Actually... exactly the same thing happened a couple of months ago, during the last AT Video Forum RMA Witch Trials.. kind of like deja-vu, actually, except in the prior case, the "friend" was (supposedly), an older person, a relative, I think, instead of a friend of similar age.
VirtualLarry
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Howabout some steak sauce?Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
No butter or salt for me please
I know you're still a bit disappointed at not recieving the onions and peppers that you ordered.
VirtualLarry
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That's about the only point in the OP's original story that he hasn't offered an explaination for, at least not that I've seen. Maybe Rollo was right? Still, that issue wasn't really the point of the thread. I just want some GPU pics and chip-id register dumps, thanks.
apoppin
Lifer
Don't worry . . . there is no burning hell . . . .
:roll:
(if there was, the person judging the other as "'evil' would suffer himself what he wished on the other)
:shocked:
how did this get so OT? Perhaps the mods could lock this one up and allow another one that does not mention RMA . . . . rather differences in VPU fabbing and possible video encoding/decoding.
:roll:
Originally posted by: apoppin
Don't worry . . . there is no burning hell . . . .
:roll:
(if there was, the person judginging the other"'evil' would suffer himself what he wished on the other)
:shocked:
how did this get so OT? Perhaps the mods could lock this one up and allow another one that does not mention RMA . . . . rather differences in VPU fabbing and possible video encoding/decoding.
:roll:
Since we are getting so technical on this hell issue...
he really isnt going to hell because he only HOPED that lying, cheating geforcetony went to hell.
That is all.
I'm a pretty devout Christian, and I dont think its a sin to HOPE someone goes to hell. Its prob not the best thought or feeling in your heart, but still.. since we're being TECHNICAL about this..
hes safe according to the bible hoping he goes to hell.
VirtualLarry
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Pretty sure that only God is supposed to be the one to judge. Lest the act of judging one another leads to judgement against oneself. In other words, the conduct of your living and actions, should be in accordance with God's laws, and not what other humans tell you to do. IIRC. Now, human nature being what it is, I've.. wished some pretty bad things on some people myself. It's a good thing that God is forgiving.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: apoppin
Don't worry . . . there is no burning hell . . . .
:roll:
(if there was, the person judging the other as "'evil' would suffer himself what he wished on the other)
:shocked:
how did this get so OT? Perhaps the mods could lock this one up and allow another one that does not mention RMA . . . . rather differences in VPU fabbing and possible video encoding/decoding.
:roll:
Since we are getting so technical on this hell issue...
he really isnt going to hell because he only HOPED that lying, cheating geforcetony went to hell.
That is all.
I'm a pretty devout Christian, and I dont think its a sin to HOPE someone goes to hell. Its prob not the best thought or feeling in your heart, but still.. since we're being TECHNICAL about this..
hes safe according to the bible hoping he goes to hell.
Perhaps . . . . but christians should know better than to JUDGE.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:
And yes - it is wrong to wish eternal damnation on someone . . . . . where is your FORGIVENESS?
i smell hypocricy.
:roll:
VirtualLarry
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He said that he was a 17-year-old HS student, did he not? K-12... 12th grade, is a senior in HS, at least from where I come from. So that all matches up so far. No lie that I can see.
If you know something about computers, A+ certification isn't really difficult. (So says someone that never bothered, but has talked to plenty of "paper MSCEs" in his day, and surprised at how little they actually know their tested subject material.)
LOL. You probably wouldn't want to hear what some of the guys that I went to HS and hung out in the computer labs with did during their HS years.. one of them had an established ISP, another had their own software company. The one with the ISP purchased his own house, in cash, after he got out of HS. (I wish I had that kind of dedicated business sense, I guess.) IMHO, you really need to learn to not put down "young people", just because of their age. Or you may feel the rage of their "geek oppression" when they get older. (PS. I think you should do more reading about Anand's age when he started this site.
)I mean, he could be completely BS'ing... plenty of young people do that, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to hear that... but ... where's the lie? I mean, proof, not just accusations? That's all.
VirtualLarry
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Doesn't heat affect the stability of those clock circuits? Perhaps one possible explaination for the observed subsequent overheating of the 3rd card, after attending a LAN party and operating the card for extended durations in 3D mode, was that it caused the reference clock circuit to drift, in a manner that seemingly OC'ed the card a little bit. (Is there an R/C circuit in there, or just a crystal driving it? Maybe a cap got cooked?)
But how are those clock numbers read back? Through actually testing them, against a real-time reference clock, or just reading out the clockgen and PLL multiplier registers off the card and then multiplying the values and presenting them to the user? I'm not that familiar with the program used.
The other question, and I think one comment that was *totally* overlooked here - someone earlier pointed out that installing Coolbits, could cause some of the symptons that tony observed, that appeared to be symptoms of a defective card. Now, given that those timings, including memory freq numbers are off (on the high side), and that the pictures shown earlier of (one of) the "defective" XFX cards, with the yellow-ish bleeding on the background, looked like memory artifacting to me. If that Coolbits program is somehow incorrctly programming the registers, or there is something going on here that it causes the appearance of hardware defects when installed - well, perhaps these are all related somehow?
Indeed, given this timeline, when was Coolbits installed? That could give some answers to these questions.
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: housecat
Originally posted by: apoppin
Don't worry . . . there is no burning hell . . . .
:roll:
(if there was, the person judging the other as "'evil' would suffer himself what he wished on the other)
:shocked:
how did this get so OT? Perhaps the mods could lock this one up and allow another one that does not mention RMA . . . . rather differences in VPU fabbing and possible video encoding/decoding.
:roll:
Since we are getting so technical on this hell issue...
he really isnt going to hell because he only HOPED that lying, cheating geforcetony went to hell.
That is all.
I'm a pretty devout Christian, and I dont think its a sin to HOPE someone goes to hell. Its prob not the best thought or feeling in your heart, but still.. since we're being TECHNICAL about this..
hes safe according to the bible hoping he goes to hell.
Perhaps . . . . but christians should know better than to JUDGE.
:roll:
:thumbsdown:
And yes - it is wrong to wish eternal damnation on someone . . . . . where is your FORGIVENESS?
i smell hypocricy.
:roll:
I may be christian, but i dont have to forgive.. i'm supposed too. but i dont give a damn, let god sortem out. if he tells me when im dead that i was wrong to judge, and puts me in eternal damnation.. guess thats what im doing to myself right now.
for me, being christian means i dont DENY God and his power.. and also that small tidbit i dont deny Jesus is the son of God.
just to let you know that even though I'm a Christian, I'm still a loose cannon.
one thing- i HATE the word hypocrisy. it sounds SO- "I'm a goth kid whose rebelling against the system".. YOU'RE A HYPOCRIT MOM AND DAD! I HATE YOU
or something similarly retarded.
HYPOCRIT has become such a big "slam" now a days.. people woudl rather be a horrible philandering, murderous piece of trash than be a forsaken "hypocrit". GASP!
its like if you murder someone and your telling the next preacher who stole a candy bar (and tells others not to do it), that hes better than him because AT LEAST HES NOT A HYPOCRIT!
lol
anyway. now that ive expressed how i hate the misuse of the word hypocrit, we can all go back to our regularly scheduled lives.
edit- replace hypocrit with hypocrite throughout this post. thank you.
um, not to stir the pot on this ever so stimulating thread, but shouldnt the first problem with this whole soap opera be a normally $400 card purchased for $240 on ebay didnt work as expected?
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