New Russian military hardware.

[norseamd]

MAD has limitations though. No nation is even going to consider risking a nuclear exchange unless their own turf is threatened, and there's a lot of territory out there where nuclear missiles aren't present. That's a lot of territory where conventional warfare is perfectly on the table (hello Ukraine!), and with today's weaponry, that makes for an incredibly lethal situation.

For the second part; I've thought about this more since I last posted. In my last post, I made a comment that the Russians will never be able to produce their new jets and tanks in the numbers that will rival the United States. But as I thought about it more, I realized that the Russians don't need to rival the United States. That's not their goal. They only need to rival their neighbors, which are still using T55's 62's, and 72's. The tank is also designed to better counter the anti-tank munitions that they sold their neighbors, which it is a huge improvement over the previous tank designed. Against Dorchester armored Western tanks, the Armata isn't going to go very far. But against old Russian tanks designs and infantry combat scenarios, it'll do quite well.

And since the countries that operate these tanks and munitions don't have nuclear weapons, that makes Russian an enormous military threat.

Looks like all that shit we had to deal with in the Islamic world we now get to flip the equation and use as weapons against the Russians.

 

[norseamd]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ware-at-arms-expo/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Ns1]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ware-at-arms-expo/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

 

[John Connor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Didn't even load all the way when I seen the title in the tab I killed it! Never gonna click it!

 

[norseamd]

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20150718.aspx#startofcomments

 

[destrekor]

Didn't even load all the way when I seen the title in the tab I killed it! Never gonna click it!

I saw.


/lesson

 

[twinrider1]

No, it doesn't work that way.

You can put on your boots and grab your rifle at a moment's notice, but you can't move from design to implementation that quickly.




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I'd like to read a study on how prepared we are from a manufacturing standpoint. If it hit the fan today, how are we set on heavy industry...the foundries, ship builders, missille/tank ammo production, etc.
My hunch is we're not in a good position. I doubt it would be like WWII when we saw it coming and had time to ramp up.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

I'd like to read a study on how prepared we are from a manufacturing standpoint. If it hit the fan today, how are we set on heavy industry...the foundries, ship builders, missille/tank ammo production, etc.
My hunch is we're not in a good position. I doubt it would be like WWII when we saw it coming and had time to ramp up.

the scale of ww2 is irrelevant today. high volume pieces are in abundance and easily producible, while low volume, high capital units are incredibly powerful and accurate. gettysburg, the somme, kursk and normandy will never be repeated.

 

[norseamd]

the scale of ww2 is irrelevant today. high volume pieces are in abundance and easily producible, while low volume, high capital units are incredibly powerful and accurate. gettysburg, the somme, kursk and normandy will never be repeated.

We also have major corruption in the defense industry. Even just now Lockheed is purchasing Sikorsky. Yes the EA or Comcast of defense companies is going to get even huger than it was already.

 

[norseamd]

I'd like to read a study on how prepared we are from a manufacturing standpoint. If it hit the fan today, how are we set on heavy industry...the foundries, ship builders, missille/tank ammo production, etc.
My hunch is we're not in a good position. I doubt it would be like WWII when we saw it coming and had time to ramp up.

You are actually correct in at least some way.

Read this shit.

http://breakingdefense.com/2015/04/fy2016-long-range-shipbuilding-plan/

 

[alcoholbob]

Im sure china can do a hell of a lot more with 200bil than america can with 600bil, our mil contractors rape the government, while the chinese government rapes its mil contractors, no?

Well there's also a thing called purchasing power parity. The US and the rest of those nations combined might spend roughly the same in dollars but that doesn't mean the US could go to war against all those nations at the same time and expect a stalemate.

 

[norseamd]

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/surprise-russias-lethal-t-14-armata-tank-production-15480

 

[norseamd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVLL_25gog

 

[John Connor]

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Umm, so it looks like they are only 30 years behind us. OK

 

[Blitzvogel]

I'm sure it's an alright vehicle if everything works as intended. The unmanned turret is an interesting thought, but the manual ammo handling systems in the Abram actually can work to it's advantage. It might require an extra crewman, but stored rounds can cookoff safely without killing the crew (as long as the doors are shut), and I hear that auto-loading systems in all their technical complexity (AKA another point of failure) still can't match a human handler in terms of rounds per second.

A tank is alot of very powerful and long ranged firepower. It has psychological effects as well, no doubt. It's possible to replace tanks with IFVs equipped with large autocannons and anti-tank missiles, but AT missiles cost way more than a general AP Sabot/Kinetic Penetrator round. Main-use autocannons in the 25-40mm range would be ineffective to the front aspect, but the US did develop a 75mm autocannon in the 80s. The AT rounds themselves could be kinetic penetrators for working through the front with a secondary magazine with HE rounds for anti-personnel and soft target use. Such a weapon would be pouring out so many rounds (one per second) as to overwhelm an active protection system which timed correctly would open up the opportunity to fire a top-attack AT missile.

 

[ultimatebob]

All you need, right here.

Well, of course... It has that "military grade" Aluminum frame and all

 

[ultimatebob]

Yep... the A10 still the best way to make heavy armor Swiss cheese, for over 30 years running

 

[norseamd]

 

[norseamd]

I'm sure it's an alright vehicle if everything works as intended. The unmanned turret is an interesting thought, but the manual ammo handling systems in the Abram actually can work to it's advantage. It might require an extra crewman, but stored rounds can cookoff safely without killing the crew (as long as the doors are shut), and I hear that auto-loading systems in all their technical complexity (AKA another point of failure) still can't match a human handler in terms of rounds per second.

You might want to read more about that tank. There are 3 separate compartments. The crew, gun, and engine compartments are all separate from each other. And autoloaders are actually just as good as humans, with some even better.

 

[norseamd]

gettysburg, the somme, kursk and normandy will never be repeated.

Never say never.

 

[pauldun170]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxVLL_25gog

List of aircraft that would like meet Mr. Armata
F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
A-10 Thunderbolt II
F-16 Fighting Falcon
AV-8B Harrier II
F-15E Strike Eagle
AH-1W SuperCobra
AH-1Z Viper
AH-64 Apache
Agusta A129 Mangusta
Eurocopter Tiger
HH-60H, MH-60R, MH-60S Seahawk
OH-58D Kiowa Warrior
AH-6 Little Bird
UH-60 Blackhawk
Beechcraft Super King Air
AC-208 Combat Caravan
KC-130J Harvest HAWK
A-29 Super Tucano
Air Tractor AT-802U
AC-130W
MQ-1B Predator
MQ-9 Reaper
Predator C
MQ-1C Gray Eagle


Other options if you wear glasses and can't get your wings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3iA5KCa16s

 

[John Connor]

Other options if you wear glasses and can't get your wings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3iA5KCa16s

Not sure about the Air force, but you can wear corrective lenses. https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avi...afety/info/all_infos/media/2012/InFO12008.pdf

Two big factors that WILL affect your ability to fly are color blindness and a mental disability. With color blindness you can pick your poison and even if you fail you can take a signals test.

I would never want to be in a tank.

 

[pauldun170]

Not sure about the Air force, but you can wear corrective lenses. https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avi...afety/info/all_infos/media/2012/InFO12008.pdf

Two big factors that WILL affect your ability to fly are color blindness and a mental disability. With color blindness you can pick your poison and even if you fail you can take a signals test.

I would never want to be in a tank.

Probably the only tank you would probably want to be in is a Merkava with the Trophy system.

At least for now...
Then you just have to worry about other tanks.

 

[John Connor]

Probably the only tank you would probably want to be in is a Merkava with the Trophy system.

At least for now...
Then you just have to worry about other tanks.

Or soldiers with a nice little bazooka. Edit- I take that back. Wow! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)#Possible_countermeasures We need this system.

How about a Paliden?