New Rule: Arkansas Requires Rapist Approval For Abortion

[bshole]

but remember that women's bodies have ways of dealing with that!

Conservative science at work..... we assert.... you believe....

 

[Caesar]

I don't know what the problem is. If it was a "legitimate rape", she would not have gotten pregnant.

/sarcasm

 

[J.Wilkins]

This is completely expected.

 

[dainthomas]

So either they purposely didn't exempt it, or just forgot. Either way lol Arkansas. This is why, by and large, people with intelligence and critical thinking skills leave these states as soon as they can.

 

[J.Wilkins]

So either they purposely didn't exempt it, or just forgot. Either way lol Arkansas. This is why, by and large, people with intelligence and critical thinking skills leave these states as soon as they can.

Does it matter? The idea that an adult female needs permission from a male relative or partner to have a legal medical procedure is something I'd expect in a Islamic theocracy, not in a liberal democracy.

 

[Indus]

As usual cat is parroting Fake shit to make suckers believe

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'm still not seeing anywhere that permission would be required for a procedure. The amendment was to a section of Arkansas law that deals with disposal of human remains.

Am I missing something here? How is that conclusion being arrived at?

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Glad I have him on ignore then. What a piece of shit he is.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Atheist fanaticism has been on the rise in the US and its growing hostile towards non atheists. Some fanatics have burned churches, etc.

While others just murder everyone inside. You guys don't give two shits about religion unless it suits your politics.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm still not seeing anywhere that permission would be required for a procedure. The amendment was to a section of Arkansas law that deals with disposal of human remains.

Am I missing something here? How is that conclusion being arrived at?

An provider can't perform an abortion unless they know how to dispose of the tissue afterwards. Giving someone veto rights over disposal methods in practice gives them veto rights over an abortion.

 

[soulcougher73]

Ahh religion...the crutch of the mentally handicapped. No offence to actual mentally handicapped people.

 

[bshole]

Ahh religion...the crutch of the mentally handicapped. No offence to actual mentally handicapped people.

Many times it is an emotional thing and not an intellectual thing. It is very difficult to accept that there is no objective right/wrong, that everything we do is objectively meaningless and that our existence ends with our death. It certainly is not a very happy foundation upon which to construct a worldview.

I am not sure how Christians can tie this to their religion. There is literally nothing on this in the Bible. They are making a moral judgment, ascribing the moral as coming from their God and providing no evidence at all that the God of Bible was against abortion. Furthermore, the very second that the kid is born, the first people in line attempting to deny welfare benefits to that child are the same people who demanded that the person must have the child against her will. Ironically, since blacks are much more likely to have abortions and in general these people dislike blacks, they are supporting more people that they instinctively dislike being born. Lastly since this entire universe was apparently created as a test to select who goes to Hell, why should Christians be upset about preborn kids being pre-selected for heaven?

 

[brycejones]

I'm still not seeing anywhere that permission would be required for a procedure. The amendment was to a section of Arkansas law that deals with disposal of human remains.

Am I missing something here? How is that conclusion being arrived at?

Eskiy answered but even if that was all it dealt with it would still be to far. Its another discussion between a woman and her medical provider the state is trying to force a woman to involve other people for the purpose of discouraging her from having the procedure.

Any example where you are forcing a woman to ask a man permission to do something in relation to a medical procedure is the same BS as the Taliban and ISIS with less stoning.

Women don't need men to tell them how to manage their affairs.

 

[xthetenth]

An provider can't perform an abortion unless they know how to dispose of the tissue afterwards. Giving someone veto rights over disposal methods in practice gives them veto rights over an abortion.

Yep. This is an incredibly common way of attacking access to abortion. You can't do it directly, so you find something that successfully gates off access to it, and hit it there. Things like trying to make legislature that drives clinics out of business is really common too.

 

[brycejones]

Yep. This is an incredibly common way of attacking access to abortion. You can't do it directly, so you find something that successfully gates off access to it, and hit it there. Things like trying to make legislature that drives clinics out of business is really common too.

Its for the health of the woman that every clinic must be equipped like a level 1 trauma center. In case something goes wrong.

Why do you hate women?

 

[LPCTech]

Conservatism = the very evil manipulating the very stupid.

 

[thraashman]

Conservatism = the very evil manipulating the very stupid.

That might be the most simply accurate description I've ever seen.

 

[Zaap]

And I'm still waiting on proof that public schools taught religion 50 years ago.....

Public schools have released time religious instruction even today. It's usually in a facility just off from the campus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Released_time

In the United States public school system, released time is schools being able to "accommodate their schedules to a program of outside religious instruction."

In 1922, programs were active in 23 states. Approximately 40,000 students, from 200 school districts, were enrolled in such programs. In 1932, 30 states had active programs in 400 communities with enrollment of 250,000 students. In 1942, participation reached 1.5 million students in 46 states. Released time reached its peak enrollment totals in 1947, when 2 million students were enrolled in some 2,200 communities. Legislation paving the way for released time programs had been adopted by 12 states.

So unless you're just going for some caveat that by these programs not being right in the classroom itself, but rather a few steps off the school campus, that it doesn't count- I would imagine it was much more common 50 years ago than now, but telling that it's still a thing today as well.


(I'm not commenting on the right or wrong of the thread topic- well, other than the 'rapist' thing being typical hyperbole horseshit- just pointing out that religious instruction during public school hours, just a few steps off a public school campus, is not anything particularly radical.)

 

[cytg111]

There is an "easy" fix for this; invent a device that lets men get pregnant up the pooper and slip loose the dogs in the streets of Arkansas... see what happens next.

 

[mikeymikec]

Does it matter? The idea that an adult female needs permission from a male relative or partner to have a legal medical procedure is something I'd expect in a Islamic theocracy, not in a liberal democracy.

Are you trying to make the conservatives break out in hives?

There is an "easy" fix for this; invent a device that lets men get pregnant up the pooper and slip loose the dogs in the streets of Arkansas... see what happens next.

In a conservative wet-dream, who gets treated worse, the women or the gay men?

 

[cytg111]

Are you trying to make the conservatives break out in hives?



In a conservative wet-dream, who gets treated worse, the women or the gay men?

I'd say the gay men. They are all secretly super scared that they are gay themselves therefor these pagans must be stoned to death(that wet dream might just be a nightmare). The women on the other hand they are fairly certian they can dominate with their manliness.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Are you trying to make the conservatives break out in hives?

Heh, I forgot that many Americans don't know what liberal means.

Many also don't know that the opposite of liberal isn't conservative, it's fascist.

 

[J.Wilkins]

I'd say the gay men. They are all secretly super scared that they are gay themselves therefor these pagans must be stoned to death(that wet dream might just be a nightmare). The women on the other hand they are fairly certian they can dominate with their manliness.

Yeah, you can do anything to them... grab them by the pussy....

 

[xthetenth]

In a conservative wet-dream, who gets treated worse, the women or the gay men?

The question of whether it's worse to be killed or to live as chattel is old and really down to personal preference.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

I'd say the gay men. They are all secretly super scared that they are gay themselves therefor these pagans must be stoned to death(that wet dream might just be a nightmare). The women on the other hand they are fairly certian they can dominate with their manliness.

These two are related. The specific kind of homo-hate (I refuse to use the word phobia; they're not scared, they're assholes) these people spout is based on misogyny. They don't usually mind watching gay women making love, but they hate the very idea of gay men. And why? Because they're frightened a man will treat them the way they treat women.

This is particularly toxic because the "conservative" mindset has a couple of extra moral axes the "liberal" one doesn't, namely hierarchy and group loyalty. They are feeling personally and deeply attacked at the level of the R-complex by gays, gay women because we're apparently traitors to the family order and the order of nature (that is, we attack their innate sense of hierarchy) and gay men for that reason plus group loyalty ("you're a f*g so you're a woman" [see above]).