New poll: Majority in U.S. is now 'pro-life'

[sao123]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sao123

Take birth control or just dont have sex.

Agree.
A ton of the problems we see now in society are because people are not being held accountable for their actions. Can't run your business ? Here is some money. Bought a home with bad terms ? It wasn't your fault. Get pregnant because you were not prepared ? You can always get an abortion.

I was raised with the understanding that your actions have consequences.

And having an abortion is the consequence ones actions, one that won't cost us taxpayers out the ying yang to support.

well we could always go way way back, and stone them to death.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: between

The US courts are the exception to the rule. In many first world countries there is actually a specific category of killing, infanticide, which attracts lesser penalties than the killing of an actual person.

Those same countries consider killing of women for adultery legal and rape being the woman's fault.

Canada and France?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: sao123

Take birth control or just dont have sex.

Agree.
A ton of the problems we see now in society are because people are not being held accountable for their actions. Can't run your business ? Here is some money. Bought a home with bad terms ? It wasn't your fault. Get pregnant because you were not prepared ? You can always get an abortion.

I was raised with the understanding that your actions have consequences.

You left out - have the baby and let the state pay for it. That's the other option which has even less accountability.

The other option is the state doesn't give a free ride to the mother. It should be a difficult and hard time for the mother. Not one of "it is okay, you made a bad choice, let us make it all better" solution like the current systems provide.

There has to be consequences for actions and currently we are doing away with those. Keeping the current system in the USA where people expect the government to fix things every time a person makes a bad decision will only lead to disaster.

This is the crux of the issue with those who are anti-choice, they are on one hand brow beating people about having children that perhaps they aren't ready financially or emotionally ready to cope with and on the other hand they are seeking to limit or deny financial or other assistance all the while condemning these people as the deadbeat loafers in our society.

How about we teach people that if you are going to be irresponsible it will have consequences , not give them a free ride because they have a child. My cousin is in charge of my counties social services. She tells me all the time about woman who are having children just to get benefits.

So a single mother either has the option to go to work and leave the raising of her children to "others"(probably again payed for by the state) or sit at home and collect benefits. Ultimately, this hurts the child and is a large part of why our prisons are stuffed over capacity right now.

Place the child in day care and put the mother to work until she can pay to support the child. Teach the mother that if you can't pay your way you will have to work not wait for the government to bail you out while you sit at home. Some states already do this. NC requires the mother attend job training and the family is only eligible for benefits for 2 years then must wait 2 years before they can reapply. It doesn't matter how much the mother makes for working, it is the requirement to work , to show that you have to work to get things in life that is important.

I agree with all of your points, and I am well aware of people gaming the system. I see it all the time in the grocery store, women loading up on the WIC food items, but spending money on magazines, nail polish, and other frivolities for themselves, dripping with jewelry and tattoos.

It sure makes having a child a lot easier when the state pays for the basic care, along with subsidized housing and all of that, leaving you to spend your own income, whatever the source on unnecessary items.

But outlawing abortion isn't going to resolve any of those problems, it'll only make things worse. We've now created large masses of people who are complete degenerates where dependence on the state has become a multi-generational affair.

I don't know what the solution should be, how can you force people to be responsible in a free society?

Edit - Meant to add to that last line..."without punishing the child?"

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: between

The US courts are the exception to the rule. In many first world countries there is actually a specific category of killing, infanticide, which attracts lesser penalties than the killing of an actual person.

Those same countries consider killing of women for adultery legal and rape being the woman's fault.

Canada and France?

Damn heathens ....

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: ayabe

I don't know what the solution should be, how can you force people to be responsible in a free society?

Edit - Meant to add to that last line..."without punishing the child?"

I don't think we should get rid of abortion, but I do think we need to keep an emphasis that it is not something to be considered lightly. Things like the morning after pill make things like pregnancy seem like an annoyance rather than something that people should really think about. That only leads to people being even more irresponsible because they already know an easy way out.

One way to make people more responsible is by putting people to work. Put a work requirement on all benefits given out . A Number of hours required per week even if it isn't paying well. There is a local housing development here run by the state that requires every person getting reduced rent do 10 hours of volunteer work per week. They have them doing everything from cooking meals for homeless to visiting older people and helping them.

When welfare started it wasn't a problem with people just sitting at home collecting. Many people were insulted to receive it because the work ethic was very different.