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New Political Party -- Would you support this party?

WhipperSnapper

WhipperSnapper

Lifer
Would anyone support a political party that was founded on this basic premise:

The purpose of the American government is to promote the rational selfish interests of the American people, including the rational selfish economic interests of the American middle class.

The party would be pro-legal abortion (status quo pro-choice, not radically pro-abortion) and would more or less maintain the status quo that it should be completely legal for the first trimester. Such a political party would oppose foreign outsourcing, mass immigration, illegal immigration, and global labor wage arbitrage while advocating moderated capitalism (similar to what we'd otherwise have today).

Would anyone want to support such a political party? I don't think either the Democrats nor the Republicans fit this bill.
 
Damn, the poll didn't work. Does anyone see a poll?

[Edit.] OK, I get it now. You have to click on the Answers box and supply answers. Nice and simple.
 
If there was someway of getting the party candidates to put their oath in blood that they would stick to it.....sign me up. 😉
 
Originally posted by: ntdz

Explain "rational selfish economic interests of the American middle class."
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I mean that the government would do what it could to promote economic prosperity for the vast majority of the populace.

With the "rational" part I meant to imply that the government would also acknowledge and protect the principle of individual rights, which means that it wouldn't invade and loot other countries (without sufficient justification and provokation) and that it wouldn't declare that one group of people should be enslaved for the benefit of the rest of the people and/or used as organ donors ala China, etc. That's more or less what I meant to imply by "rational".
 
Everybody thinks they are "rational"...basing your party on such a vague premise will create huge confusion. If you only look out for the interests of the middle class, how do you justify welfare considering it has no impact on the middle class other than money out of people's pockets.

As for abortion, marketing yourself as "pro-abortion" looks brutal. Most people are pro-choice and advocate access but not encouraged to use such a tool. As for all the other ideas; they are horrible, no reasoning other than warped views and protectionist propaganda. Your party seems to be even less moderate than the Democrats. You would get laughed out of any policy convention...anywhere.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
Everybody thinks they are "rational"...basing your party on such a vague premise will create huge confusion. If you only look out for the interests of the middle class, how do you justify welfare considering it has no impact on the middle class other than money out of people's pockets.
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I agree. Obviously, if someone were to start such a party, far more elaboration would be required.

As for welfare, it could be argued that the social safety net is in the interests of the middle class since it's always possible that middle class person could lose his status. After all, people suffer job losses and medical maladies all of the time. Ideally, the economy would offer lower middle class employment to anyone who wanted to work full time and it would prod able-bodied people off of welfare.

As for abortion, marketing yourself as "pro-abortion" looks brutal. Most people are pro-choice and advocate access but not encouraged to use such a tool. As for all the other ideas; they are horrible, no reasoning other than warped views and protectionist propaganda. Your party seems to be even less moderate than the Democrats. You would get laughed out of any policy convention...anywhere.
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Yeah, that's a good point. about abortion. Obviously, I'm heavily pro-abortion, but the party would merely be status quo pro-choice. I'll go make that change in the initial post and poll.

Of course, as we've discussed in a great many other threads, it's my view that you're the one who's warped on the issue of international trade and global labor wage arbitrage and who lacks the reasoning.
 
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: zendari
No.
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Of course you wouldn't! You only support those who make the rich richer and the poor a lot poorer or dead.
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I don't support making the rich richer. They make themselves richer.

Maybe we should have status quo on gay marraige.
 
Um...is your party called Nationalist Libertarianism?

Basically Libertarians support full social freedom and economic policies designed to help those who help themselves. And yes, many would support these ideals if they added a nationalist component.
 
Originally posted by: Sunrise089
Um...is your party called Nationalist Libertarianism?

Basically Libertarians support full social freedom and economic policies designed to help those who help themselves. And yes, many would support these ideals if they added a nationalist component.
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Libertarians are not what he explained. Social freedoms, yes; but economic protectionism and regressive trade policies? A libertarian would spit on that platform.
 
Lest it be necessary, the parties that support the economic interests of the broad American middle class are the Democrats and the Republicans--or for that matter any other political party-----and if you don't believe me just ask these political parties.

And if you expect the American people are smart enough to realise that isn't true and they are voting against their own self interests--you just don't understand political spin or the genius of Karl Rove. Or wedge issues that put us at each other throats.
Or slogans that keep us from having to think.
 
I don't like the part about not supporting mass imigration. As long as immigration is done legally (the immigrants will have the oppertunity to become full citizens) I don't really care how many people we bring in the country. I just think they need to be screened so we get the best ones.
 
I don't support anything founded in selfishness, or self-interest. Nor one more interested in capitalism than in a democratic republic.

My idea of the perfect party is pretty much a Jeffersonian Republican (before his presidency). Absolute bare minimum federal government, everything else with the states. Total seperation of church and state. Rights of the individual over the corporation. Improvement of the individual as the key to collective growth. Toss in some strong environmentalism and absolute equality (to include gender, religion, sexuality, race, ethnicity, etc). Slightly isolationist (or at least utterly anti-empirial). Strong individual responsibility. Yep, that kind of thing.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Would anyone support a political party that was founded on this basic premise:

The purpose of the American government is to promote the rational selfish interests of the American people, including the rational selfish economic interests of the American middle class.

The party would be pro-legal abortion (status quo pro-choice, not radically pro-abortion) and would more or less maintain the status quo that it should be completely legal for the first trimester. Such a political party would oppose foreign outsourcing, mass immigration, illegal immigration, and global labor wage arbitrage while advocating moderated capitalism (similar to what we'd otherwise have today).

Would anyone want to support such a political party? I don't think either the Democrats nor the Republicans fit this bill.
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Thanks OP, you basically describe me. Thanks for your votes everyone. :thumbsup:
 
60% Yes?!

Damn...shows how liberal this forum is; these ideas are far more left wing than the Democrats. Just goes to show how out of touch with American voters you guys are.
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Would anyone support a political party that was founded on this basic premise:

The purpose of the American government is to promote the rational selfish interests of the American people, including the rational selfish economic interests of the American middle class.

The party would be pro-legal abortion (status quo pro-choice, not radically pro-abortion) and would more or less maintain the status quo that it should be completely legal for the first trimester. Such a political party would oppose foreign outsourcing, mass immigration, illegal immigration, and global labor wage arbitrage while advocating moderated capitalism (similar to what we'd otherwise have today).

Would anyone want to support such a political party? I don't think either the Democrats nor the Republicans fit this bill.
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I would not vote for this party based on the labor the stance. The world has changed and is becomine smaller. We have a choice allow H1-B work visa for high tech workers or having our companies compete agaist this lower cost labor abroad. I think reduction of H1-b visas would be worse in the long run.

I do agree we do something about the illigal immigration problem, but I am not sure what that is.
 
Originally posted by: Stunt
60% Yes?!

Damn...shows how liberal this forum is; these ideas are far more left wing than the Democrats. Just goes to show how out of touch with American voters you guys are.
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Good morning to you, too!
 
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