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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: bamacre
This test is utter bullshit. The questions are broad and dumb.
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You must have failed it. Every time I take it, I get a perfect score.
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I never bothered to get past the first question.
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As I thought. It was too hard for you.
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When you are forced to agree or disagree with the statement, "I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong," answering is not a matter of easy or difficult.

What exactly do they mean by "support?" And how can a country be "right or wrong?" A country can do things I perceive as right, and at the same time can do other things I perceive as wrong.
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Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
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What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
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You are thinking too much. Its a quick test- first answer. do you support (stand behind) your country even when you think they are wrong.

What is so hard about that. I answered no. If I think we did something wrong, like say, going into Iraq, I dont support it. Not to say I am unamerican, or that I will leave... I just dont support that action and I am vocal about it. The purpose of the test is to determine left or right... Most Bush supporters would have answered yes to that question, leaning them further to the right on thier scorecard. Simple.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
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What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
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Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
 
Originally posted by: retrospooty
You are thinking too much.
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Oh, well, God forbid I think outside of the box.

Its a quick test- first answer. do you support (stand behind) your country even when you think they are wrong.

What is so hard about that. I answered no. If I think we did something wrong, like say, going into Iraq, I dont support it. Not to say I am unamerican, or that I will leave... I just dont support that action and I am vocal about it. The purpose of the test is to determine left or right... Most Bush supporters would have answered yes to that question, leaning them further to the right on thier scorecard. Simple.
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Why? What if Hillary were president and the government implements a UHC program. Using your logic, then they would answer "no."

It's all completely relative, and the question is overly generalized.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: retrospooty
You are thinking too much.
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Oh, well, God forbid I think outside of the box.

Its a quick test- first answer. do you support (stand behind) your country even when you think they are wrong.

What is so hard about that. I answered no. If I think we did something wrong, like say, going into Iraq, I dont support it. Not to say I am unamerican, or that I will leave... I just dont support that action and I am vocal about it. The purpose of the test is to determine left or right... Most Bush supporters would have answered yes to that question, leaning them further to the right on thier scorecard. Simple.
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Why? What if Hillary were president and the government implements a UHC program. Using your logic, then they would answer "no."

It's all completely relative, and the question is overly generalized.
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I'm not sure what is so hard about this question for you. You've already answered it. If you do not support your country 100% of the time without consideration of the action it is taking, then your answer to the question is no. Or 'disagree' or whatever.

The question is not about left or right, it's about libertarian vs. authoritarian.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
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What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
Click to expand...

Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
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The use of the word "support" here is undefined by the test.

You are answering the question based on what YOU assume the word to mean here in this context. Someone else answering the question may assume something else.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: retrospooty
You are thinking too much.
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Oh, well, God forbid I think outside of the box.

Its a quick test- first answer. do you support (stand behind) your country even when you think they are wrong.

What is so hard about that. I answered no. If I think we did something wrong, like say, going into Iraq, I dont support it. Not to say I am unamerican, or that I will leave... I just dont support that action and I am vocal about it. The purpose of the test is to determine left or right... Most Bush supporters would have answered yes to that question, leaning them further to the right on thier scorecard. Simple.
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Why? What if Hillary were president and the government implements a UHC program. Using your logic, then they would answer "no."

It's all completely relative, and the question is overly generalized.
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I dont know what to tell you then... Just dont take the test and get a zero. =)

I agree that it isnt 100% perfect - but it cant be. I mean they could expand it and have you sit there for 3 hours filling out answers, but you could still find problems with the questions. Its a basic method to chart where you stand compared to others. Id say its fairly accurate... and as accurate as is practically possible.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
Click to expand...

What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
Click to expand...

Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
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The use of the word "support" here is undefined by the test.

You are answering the question based on what YOU assume the word to mean here in this context. Someone else answering the question may assume something else.
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Dude, the fucking word is defined by the dictionary. If you didn't know what it meant at the time you should have looked it up.
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: retrospooty
You are thinking too much.
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Oh, well, God forbid I think outside of the box.

Its a quick test- first answer. do you support (stand behind) your country even when you think they are wrong.

What is so hard about that. I answered no. If I think we did something wrong, like say, going into Iraq, I dont support it. Not to say I am unamerican, or that I will leave... I just dont support that action and I am vocal about it. The purpose of the test is to determine left or right... Most Bush supporters would have answered yes to that question, leaning them further to the right on thier scorecard. Simple.
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Why? What if Hillary were president and the government implements a UHC program. Using your logic, then they would answer "no."

It's all completely relative, and the question is overly generalized.
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I'm not sure what is so hard about this question for you. You've already answered it. If you do not support your country 100% of the time without consideration of the action it is taking, then your answer to the question is no. Or 'disagree' or whatever.

The question is not about left or right, it's about libertarian vs. authoritarian.
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Let's look at the statement as it is on the test...

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

What if by "support" they mean militarily. Say for example, another country invaded the USA. Because I disagree with, for example, USA drug laws, doesn't mean I wouldn't "support" my country at a time of it being invaded.

And what if they mean "support" as in financially, as in paying taxes. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I have still been paying taxes for the last 6 years.

You can assume that the question says...

"I'd always support my country's actions, whether I believe them to be right or wrong."

But that's not what it says.

Let's look at another question...

"Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment."

I don't think the government aught to be trying to control either. Nor do I think the government could control either. If I say I disagree, does that mean I say what I believe, or does my disagreement say that I think controlling unemployment is more important than controlling inflation?"
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
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What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
Click to expand...

Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
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The use of the word "support" here is undefined by the test.

You are answering the question based on what YOU assume the word to mean here in this context. Someone else answering the question may assume something else.
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Dude, the fucking word is defined by the dictionary. If you didn't know what it meant at the time you should have looked it up.
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You fail to understand that it could mean anything, there is no context. I have to assume what it means. And if the test taker has to assume what it means, then people could have the same beliefs and still answer the question differently.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre

Let's look at the statement as it is on the test...

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

What if by "support" they mean militarily. Say for example, another country invaded the USA. Because I disagree with, for example, USA drug laws, doesn't mean I wouldn't "support" my country at a time of it being invaded.

And what if they mean "support" as in financially, as in paying taxes. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I have still been paying taxes for the last 6 years.

You can assume that the question says...

"I'd always support my country's actions, whether I believe them to be right or wrong."

But that's not what it says.

Let's look at another question...

"Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment."

I don't think the government aught to be trying to control either. Nor do I think the government could control either. If I say I disagree, does that mean I say what I believe, or does my disagreement say that I think controlling unemployment is more important than controlling inflation?"
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Man, just stop it. You are embarrassing yourself over nothing.

The question says "always support your country". Always, means always. If there is a single situation that you can reasonably come up with that your country will do something that you will not support, domestic policy, militarily, choice of gymnasts for the 2012 Olympics, deciding to allow Arby's to continue to exist, then the answer to that question is "disagree". If there are a whole lot of those situations, maybe the answer is "strongly disagree".

In addition, the second question never asks if you thought that these controls should be achieved through the government.

You are really taking a very simple test and totally crapping your pants over it.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
Click to expand...

What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
Click to expand...

Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
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The use of the word "support" here is undefined by the test.

You are answering the question based on what YOU assume the word to mean here in this context. Someone else answering the question may assume something else.
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Dude, the fucking word is defined by the dictionary. If you didn't know what it meant at the time you should have looked it up.
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You fail to understand that it could mean anything, there is no context. I have to assume what it means. And if the test taker has to assume what it means, then people could have the same beliefs and still answer the question differently.
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No, it can't mean anything. It means exactly what the dictionary says it means. There are not several alternate definitions that the word could take on in the sentence it is in. What alternate meaning did you think it had?
To endure bravely or quietly? To hold up or serve as a foundation or prop for? To keep from fainting?

Do you take this attitude towards everything in life? If so, how do you survive? "Well, that sign says 'speed limit 65', but does that mean the lowest speed I can have, or the highest? Are they even talking about miles per hour? Are they even talking about velocity? Maybe they mean some sort of drug refer-***SMASH***"
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre

Let's look at the statement as it is on the test...

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

What if by "support" they mean militarily. Say for example, another country invaded the USA. Because I disagree with, for example, USA drug laws, doesn't mean I wouldn't "support" my country at a time of it being invaded.

And what if they mean "support" as in financially, as in paying taxes. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, but I have still been paying taxes for the last 6 years.

You can assume that the question says...

"I'd always support my country's actions, whether I believe them to be right or wrong."

But that's not what it says.

Let's look at another question...

"Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment."

I don't think the government aught to be trying to control either. Nor do I think the government could control either. If I say I disagree, does that mean I say what I believe, or does my disagreement say that I think controlling unemployment is more important than controlling inflation?"
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Man, just stop it. You are embarrassing yourself over nothing.

The question says "always support your country". Always, means always. If there is a single situation that you can reasonably come up with that your country will do something that you will not support, domestic policy, militarily, choice of gymnasts for the 2012 Olympics, deciding to allow Arby's to continue to exist, then the answer to that question is "disagree". If there are a whole lot of those situations, maybe the answer is "strongly disagree".

In addition, the second question never asks if you thought that these controls should be achieved through the government.

You are really taking a very simple test and totally crapping your pants over it.
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:laugh:

Trust me, I am not "crapping my pants over it."

I just think the questions are silly, rather dumbed-down for people who can't actually think about what they are answering.

I don't need a test to tell me where I stand politically.
 
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Dude, that's the whole point of the question. Do you support your country even if it does things you think are wrong?
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What do you mean by "support?"

And that's not how the question is worded. It says specifically, "whether it was right or wrong."
Click to expand...

Support: to promote the interests or cause of, to uphold or defend as valid.

Secondly, "whether it was right or wrong" means that you will support your country when it is right, and when it is wrong. Obviously people support things when they are doing the right thing, the purpose of the question is to find out if you support it when it's doing the wrong thing.
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The use of the word "support" here is undefined by the test.

You are answering the question based on what YOU assume the word to mean here in this context. Someone else answering the question may assume something else.
Click to expand...

Dude, the fucking word is defined by the dictionary. If you didn't know what it meant at the time you should have looked it up.
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You fail to understand that it could mean anything, there is no context. I have to assume what it means. And if the test taker has to assume what it means, then people could have the same beliefs and still answer the question differently.
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As eskimo said, the question has nothing to do with policy. It doesn't matter if it is a leftist action that you disagree with or ideology from the right. It simply means, do you always support your country's actions, no matter what, because you believe your country is always right. Plenty of people would answer yes to that....I would think you wouldn't since you claim to be libertarian. But obviously this question confuses you so never mind.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: quest55720
Lol any chart that has Obama on the right is so full of shit. I was going to take the test but it is all fucked up.
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How else do you squeeze the right out of legitimacy? By claiming the left is the new standard right and anything past that is illegitimate.
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Everyone looks like a radical leftist when you think anyone to the right of Hitler is a commie.
 
"I want to be an achiever, like Bad Horse"
"The Thoroughbred Of Sin?"
"I meant Gandhi."

😀

I'm a Canadian Liberal (note the capital L) but it would be Hillary Clinton, err, Obama in the U.S.. Definitely not Nader, that's NDP territory.:laugh:
 
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