New PhysX thread.

[MODEL3]

Yeah, i remember (faintly) some special models from even the GeForce 256 days...

 

[MODEL3]

I just went to the result page...

I can only imagine the effort and time for this topic...

Very good job Keys!

 

[Sylvanas]

Thanks for the huge effort Keys in collecting this data! I am not aware of anywhere else on the web where a test like this has taken place very informative.

 

[Avalon]

So it seems like your 9600GSO is good physics bang for the buck. The Asus is on sale for $55 - $20 MIR right now...cheap cheap!

 

[palladium]

Thanks for the work Keys. Just wondering where would you put the 8800GTS 640MB in terms of physx processing capability? Somewhere between 8600GT and 9600GSO? I ask this because I can get one for cheap (like $20), want to see if it is worth the trouble getting it. I will be playing batman when it hit retail stores in NZ.

Slightly OT, but would be nice to know how Batman runs on ATI hardware without physx.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Originally posted by: Qbah
Excellent job Keys :thumbsup: This is something I have been looking for since PhysX started. The data gives a pretty complete view on what performance penalty PhysX brings. Looks like a 96sp 9600GSO is the sweet spot here. Pretty much equals a 8800GTS512 on all tests. And the GTX280 doesn't give any benefits over those two cards. A 8600GT doesn't cut it. I wonder if newer PhysX games will stress the system even more.

Again, thanks for the effort. Appreciated

The Cryostasis tech demo is the only one that scales to the 280. But with my rig I get an 89 avg. at 1920, so there is even more scaling with CPU speed and the x58 platform. However W7 x64 runs it more slowly which was used in these benches.

Now we just need benches with a 9600GT/8800GT in either a x1 or x4 slot vs. the x16 slot. lol Since the P55 PhysX Ready boards have a x4 slot I guess there will be x4 version single slot cards soon. But it would be very interesting if a x1 slot would be enough bandwidth for PhysX as it appears to be enough for folding.

I don't have a problem with Mirror's Edge and the 295 and a 260 for PhysX. It must be the drivers you're using. 186.18 works okay in W7 x86.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: palladium
Thanks for the work Keys. Just wondering where would you put the 8800GTS 640MB in terms of physx processing capability? Somewhere between 8600GT and 9600GSO? I ask this because I can get one for cheap (like $20), want to see if it is worth the trouble getting it. I will be playing batman when it hit retail stores in NZ.

Slightly OT, but would be nice to know how Batman runs on ATI hardware without physx.

I would say that a 8800GTS 640 is probably equal to the 9600GSO in PhysX processing. Both have 96 shader processors. and as you can see with the 8800GTS 512 numbers, the larger memory bus width did not have any positive advantages over the smaller 128 bit bus of the 9600GSO (256bit vs 128bit respectively).

And, for 20 bucks? I'd say go for it.

 

[wrangler]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: wrangler
At the top you list the 9600GSO as a 512MB version but in the tables it is listed as a 96sp version which would be either 384 or 768MB.

Just wondering which it really is.

Nice job though. Really appreciate it.

It is a 9600GSO. It has 96 shader processors. It has 512MB of 128-bit GDDR3

Link: ASUS 9600GSO 96 shaders, 512MB 128-bit GDDR3

Would you like a GPUz screenshot?

Didn't mean to upset you. Was not aware of a card called 9600GSO with that configuration. Just recently purchased an Asus 9600GSO for my In-Laws little computer and did not see a 96sp 512MB available so I bought one with 384MB. They were all 48sp if they were 512MB. My mistake. But I guess not hard to do with so many cards called 9600GSO...................

Just wanted to clarify.

Thank you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: wrangler

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: wrangler
At the top you list the 9600GSO as a 512MB version but in the tables it is listed as a 96sp version which would be either 384 or 768MB.

Just wondering which it really is.

Nice job though. Really appreciate it.

It is a 9600GSO. It has 96 shader processors. It has 512MB of 128-bit GDDR3

Link: ASUS 9600GSO 96 shaders, 512MB 128-bit GDDR3

Would you like a GPUz screenshot?

Didn't mean to upset you. Was not aware of a card called 9600GSO with that configuration. Just recently purchased an Asus 9600GSO for my In-Laws little computer and did not see a 96sp 512MB available so I bought one with 384MB. They were all 48sp if they were 512MB. My mistake. But I guess not hard to do with so many cards called 9600GSO...................

Just wanted to clarify.

Thank you.

Heh? Was not ever upset about anything. Go back and read it again, and pretend that a happy guy wrote it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Darkest of Days numbers coming soon.

 

[Radnor]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Since you don't have an Nvidia card isn't physx off anyhow?

No I'm running my 4870 1GB render and 8800GTS 512 PhysX

PhysX is on high and I using the 4xAA ingame by changing my Vendor ID.

Why are you benchmarking with bsmoothframerate on?

Just a question, what windows are you using ?

I have a 4850 CF and an old ageia PPU. Due to constrains on the Nvidida driver not working with my ageia and to the fact it heats up alot and kinda clogs the airflow from my second 4850, that old ageia is gathering dust.

I would like to slap a PCIE 1x ( i still got one free ) 9400/9500 card, but is it possible to have ati and Nvidia drivers on Win 7 ?

Thanks for the reply in advance.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Radnor
I would like to slap a PCIE 1x ( i still got one free ) 9400/9500 card, but is it possible to have ati and Nvidia drivers on Win 7 ?

Thanks for the reply in advance.

Yes you can BUT you have to use old drivers (pre 190) to get it to work and it may not always work. Also, the minimum card is 9500GT now I think.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Radnor
I would like to slap a PCIE 1x ( i still got one free ) 9400/9500 card, but is it possible to have ati and Nvidia drivers on Win 7 ?

Thanks for the reply in advance.

Yes you can BUT you have to use old drivers (pre 190) to get it to work and it may not always work. Also, the minimum card is 9500GT now I think.

This.

Yes, the minimum spec is an 8 series or better Nvidia GeForce GPU with 32 or more shader processors, and a minimum of 256MB of discrete memory.

Minimum 8 series = 8600GT 256MB
Minimum 9 series = 9500GT 256MB (if it exists)
Any GTX2xxx or GTS2xx series

 

[thilanliyan]

Hey Keys, do you have the Darkest of Days numbers with a 8600GT for PhysX? Also, how much do you think having a 8600GT with 256mb GDDR3 will affect scores?

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Don't know if this is a good place to ask, but what do you people think future games will need to run physx well? I'm thinking of getting an i5 system with 2 16x slots (second one only at 4x bandwidth) and grabbing a 250 gts and then maybe getting a dx11 card when they come out and moving the gts to the 4x bandwidth slot as phsyx card. Is it particularly likely that future games would require a stronger card (I suspect it'll be fine for sometime (maybe until phsyx is replaced by a more common standard?))?

 

[imported_Shaq]

GTS 250 should be fine for awhile. I imagine they will only require mid-range cards for PhysX. It would be hard to imagine requiring a 240 shader card for PhysX. LOL I am using a 260 only because it is what I have extra. But future games could allow high-end options like Batman does. And even that game doesn't need more than a 128 shader card, or 96 for that matter.

 

[Matrices]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Batman bench below for me. Everything high 1920x1200 2xAA. Rig in sig

GTX295 alone
26min/60max/42avg

GTX295+9600GT for physx
27min/63max/57avg

So it would seem the 9600GT helps a good deal. Cryostasis saw about 20fps increase.

edit: 4x AA loses 3fps average in each bench. Still perfectly playable.

Hi, new to this thread but I saw this post and have to ask - are you using Physx on Normal or High? If on Normal, there is something wrong going on there with your 295. It doesn't appear to be operating in SLI mode. I ran the same settings, same test on a GTX 280 and got 45FPS average with Physx on Normal.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

Mmm, doesn't look like SLI works on the Batamn demo w/ my 9800 GX2. Getting the same performance reguardless of settings. Multi-GPU enabled and disabled. 190.62. Plus when I enable PhysX w/ any AA the game has long dips of 0-1 FPS. Damn GX2.

 

[McRhea]

Check out these Darkest of Days Physx numbers from Firingsquad.com's review of the game:

Darkest of Days Physx Performance

Do these numbers make sense? The 1-2 FPS numbers are from trying to run Medium and High PhysX on the CPU, in case anyone was going 'WTF'.

Doesn't seem like the 8800GTS helps in SLI at all though, which I found strange. Can't wait to see what Keys comes up with.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hey guys/gals. Sorry for the delayed response to all questions, but I'll be continuing the benches this weekend for Darkest of Days (Thilan), and the full version of Batman: Arkham Asylum.

As for the Firing Squad review? I have no clue why they do their benches that way. It's not even explained very clearly what the numbers mean. Min? Max? Avg?

Anyway, the single digit numbers you see are from enabling High PhysX in the game, but disabling PhysX in the NV control panel. Forcing PhysX to be run on the CPU, which it can't handle.

I'll do something similar if you all want, but I can't start this testing til late tonight.

I need to steal back my wife and sons cards. Muhwaahahaaaaa..... After bedtime.

 

[Zogrim]

I'll dilute your benchmarking stuff with new PhysX comparison video for Batman Arkham Asylum, if you don't mind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyKCM-Bpuw

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Zogrim
I'll dilute your benchmarking stuff with new PhysX comparison video for Batman Arkham Asylum, if you don't mind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyKCM-Bpuw

you are posting this everywhere I look. lol

first I saw you post it on Hardforum, and then Eidos, Techreport, and now here. just thought it was kind of funny that it was on every site I visited tonight. :laugh:

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Zogrim
I'll dilute your benchmarking stuff with new PhysX comparison video for Batman Arkham Asylum, if you don't mind)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GyKCM-Bpuw

Do you work for nVidia or something? Even you sig is about PhysX...or you just a big enthusiast?...just asking.

 

[thilanliyan]

Hey Keys how are you doing the testing in Arkham Asylum demo? Just a fraps run through the whole demo? I can add my 4870+8800GT results now if possible.

EDIT: On 2nd thought...forget it...no point in crowding your results even more with results from a completely different system and older drivers. Keep up the work keys I'm sure others would like to know your results as well.

 

[Qbah]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Hey Keys how are you doing the testing in Arkham Asylum demo? Just a fraps run through the whole demo? I can add my 4870+8800GT results now if possible.

EDIT: On 2nd thought...forget it...no point in crowding your results even more with results from a completely different system and older drivers. Keep up the work keys I'm sure others would like to know your results as well.

Mind posting them here? Keys doesn't need to add them to his page, but this is a forum thread Any extra info is nice.