http://hothardware.com/News/OC...age-Collection-Scheme/
Performance looks pretty good. Would this mean that these drives wouldn't even need TRIM?
Performance looks pretty good. Would this mean that these drives wouldn't even need TRIM?
New OCZ Vertex Firmware - Garbage Collecting
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Originally posted by: Rubycon
Wow so they finally figured how to put WALL-E in there.
hah
kudos OCZ
Apologize if this is ignorant, but this is a firmware update, correct? And it would benefit SSD's in OSX systems just like Win9x systems? I ask because I know that there is no official word on whether Snow Leopard is going to support TRIM, and if this gets the job done without needing TRIM....
Cool, thanks. Guess these drives are on the short-list for my MBP when SSD prices fall significantly.
Go OCZ! Garbage collection without requiring TRIM support. This makes a great HD upgrade for my work computer still running Ubuntu 8.04.
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So the Intel drives will only benefit when running with windows 7? If this is so and that is so people choose the Intel SSD drive, that's a big mistake on Intel's part.
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GC only clears partially written pages, and has positive effect on writes as it no longer needs to rewrite when writing occurs. However, this does nothing to the invalid pages in LBA, nor to fragmentation in LBA or to the footprint of files written and then deleted, here you need TRIM.
This GC method does not reduce the life of the SSD, as it is only doing half of the rewrite task in idle beforehand, and avoids the the complete rewrite cycle on an important write wich saves time...
taltamir
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according to an article i read, the intel G1 does not NEED trim because it has had this from day 1...
and part of the reason the G2 is faster is because it sacrifices some garbage collection for IOPS speed... meaning it WILL need trim to compensate (which intel says it will have)
it is very nice to see the indlinx FINALLY catch up with intel... now it is a viable contender, which means better prices for us...
garbage collection WILL reduce lifespan. as long as its out of warranty
i'd rather have some control over my devices lifespan? unless its a 10 year warranty.
i'd rather have some control over my devices lifespan? unless its a 10 year warranty.
taltamir
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the lifespan of these drives is so long that it is irrelevant. Your monitor, CPU, GPU, etc have a lower rated lifespan.
as for the intel G1 and trim... check this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=83&threadid=2321347
as for the intel G1 and trim... check this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...id=83&threadid=2321347
So if you have TRIM and GC you should be set and have a SSD that will operate like new all the time? Or is it just one or the other? This is somewhat confusing to a layman and I am just starting to read up on SSDs as I hope to utilize them in upcoming builds for the wife and I.
If I understand this correctly:
The TRIM works in such a way that it removes the old data in a block before it writes new data.
The GC removes all other fragmented files that may still be on the SSD.
If I understand this correctly:
The TRIM works in such a way that it removes the old data in a block before it writes new data.
The GC removes all other fragmented files that may still be on the SSD.
the people that sell you these devices want them to fail as close as possible to out of warranty. it is not in their best interest to make this device last forever.
Intel will take the higher ground since they have a reputation where as OCZ well. their reputation is not much (to me).
10year warranty is not much good if the company goes under in 3 years?
Intel will take the higher ground since they have a reputation where as OCZ well. their reputation is not much (to me).
10year warranty is not much good if the company goes under in 3 years?
taltamir
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TRIM requires OS and controller support (NO raid will support it anytime soon, all modern mobo controllers do as a generic command... only really old ones truncate it causing problems), TRIM is highly efficient. To the point that GC is not needed.
GC requires nothing, it is totally internal to the drive, it is not as efficient.
Both do the same thing
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So if I get an OCZ with GC it will not be as efficient as a Intel with TRIM support but either will be tremendously better than a mechanical drive?
taltamir
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OCZ has trim AND GC support, OCZ with GC is not as efficient as OCZ with trim, but trim requires you to use win7.
we don't have numbers yet, but i would hazard a guess that intel G2 with trim is probably gonna be faster than OCZ without.. because intel G2 without trim is faster than OCZ vertex without trim.
But yes. both will be a lot better than a spindle drive.
we don't have numbers yet, but i would hazard a guess that intel G2 with trim is probably gonna be faster than OCZ without.. because intel G2 without trim is faster than OCZ vertex without trim.
But yes. both will be a lot better than a spindle drive.
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