New Notorious name in Tallahassee

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Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking young girls for Jeffrey Epstein and recently sentenced to 20 years has been sent to the Federal low security prison in Tallahassee. I drive by it almost every day. While not club med, you can see from the pic it's a serious facility.

They do have arts and crafts programs and team sports. They are ruled by hourly loudspeaker announcements. Rising at 6AM (7 on weekends), breakfast, exercise, work shift, class, shower, back to cells for 9PM roll call - other meals in there somewhere. Cell searches at random times.


 
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TheVrolok

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Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted of sex trafficking young girls for Jeffrey Epstein and recently sentenced to 20 years has been sent to the Federal low security prison in Tallahassee. I drive by it almost every day. While not club med, you can see from the pic it's a serious facility.

They do have arts and crafts programs and team sports. They are ruled by hourly loudspeaker announcements. Rising at 6AM (7 on weekends), breakfast, exercise, work shift, class, shower, back to cells for 9PM roll call - other meals in there somewhere. Cell searches at random times.


Sounds like she has it way too good.
 

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I'm sure that the higher the level of security the more expensive prison is to the public. Other than vengeance is there any reason this woman should be a high security prison?

The whole concept of Club-Med prisons is an urban myth. The only prison I've been to that came anywhere near that was a federal prison in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area for elderly prisoners who needed substantial medical care. it was similar to a nursing home surrounded by barb wire and real security.
 
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Humans are emotional animals, it's hard for us to square treating inhuman people humanely.
I would say it’s hard for people who have been treated in humanely not to respond in kind. Those are the kinds of emotional responses to which such treatment gives rise. They are learned.
 

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I would say it’s hard for people who have been treated in humanely not to respond in kind. Those are the kinds of emotional responses to which such treatment gives rise. They are learned.
Absolutely, and its in our nature to treat others as we've been treated, both for good and for bad. Unfortunately we usually act on the 'lowest common denominator' so to speak. I'm sure there's an evolutionary survival trait in there somewhere. Keep more friends with a sharp stick than a flower, something like that.
 

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I'm sure that the higher the level of security the more expensive prison is to the public. Other than vengeance is there any reason this woman should be a high security prison?

The whole concept of Club-Med prisons is an urban myth. The only prison I've been to that came anywhere near that was a federal prison in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area for elderly prisoners who needed substantial medical care. it was similar to a nursing home surrounded by barb wire and real security.

The "Club Med" stereotype likely stems from that pressure to appear tough on crime, and not just for politicians. We don't want to admit that a moderate- or even light-security prison may be just as effective (or ineffective) as a supermax at punishing criminals; we just want to feel better knowing that we're inflicting extra suffering. Maxwell is a horrible person by many accounts, but we won't undo her crimes by putting her in a harsher prison.
 
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The "Club Med" stereotype likely stems from that pressure to appear tough on crime, and not just for politicians. We don't want to admit that a moderate- or even light-security prison may be just as effective (or ineffective) as a supermax at punishing criminals; we just want to feel better knowing that we're inflicting extra suffering. Maxwell is a horrible person by many accounts, but we won't undo her crimes by putting her in a harsher prison.
Agreed, society needs to be fixed, not criminals. Remove the impetus, remove the opportunity, remove the need.
 

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Sounds like she has it way too good.


Considering the lifelong pain and suffering she inflicted on the untold number of child sex slaves she exploited for fun and profit, I agree. There should also be a thorough search for the people who paid to sexually abuse those children, although based on how high in social circles those perverts were, they will never pay for their crimes.
 

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Considering the lifelong pain and suffering she inflicted on the untold number of child sex slaves she exploited for fun and profit, I agree. There should also be a thorough search for the people who paid to sexually abuse those children, although based on how high in social circles those perverts were, they will never pay for their crimes.
Looks can be deceiving. In my opinion child abusers are looking for something they lost of the utmost value, their own childhood innocence, and the abusing of innocent children is one sure way they guarantee they will never find it. The price they pay is exile from any hope of ending their inner misery. Of course the only way to know they unconsciously live in hell is to note the unusual expression of their neediness which they avoid like the plague. But you do not have to be conscious of your own inner pathetic state to suffer from it. Denial doesn't change the actual facts.
 

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Denial is the total problem.

The underage people, are in denial to protect their minds. The adults taking advantage of these underage people are in denial as well. Denial that they PTSD'd juveniles.

Edit: convict them adults to hell.
 

Moonbeam

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Absolutely, and its in our nature to treat others as we've been treated, both for good and for bad. Unfortunately we usually act on the 'lowest common denominator' so to speak. I'm sure there's an evolutionary survival trait in there somewhere. Keep more friends with a sharp stick than a flower, something like that.
I think it has more to do with the evolution of language and the ability to communicate meaning . We remember what words mean but forget (repress) the emotional associations that developed around them when they were used to put us down and feel unworthy of love.
 

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I wish they could have recovered Epstein's little Black book, computer spreadsheet, or contact list. I still cannot believe she is the daughter of the dude who ripped off the pension funds of hundreds of newspaper workers. At one time, he was viewed as the savior of New York's Daily News.