New Mustang > Chrysler 300....

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Mustang adds some sizzle to Ford sales

More than 15,000 a month sold, it surpasses Chrysler 300

Detroit has a new crown jewel.

After just one year on the market, the much-lauded Chrysler 300 -- winner of a long list of awards and the gotta-have-it hype of such celebrities as Snoop Dogg -- is being outsold by a hot new domestic car. And a two-door coupe to boot.

Yes, the new Ford Mustang, after six months on the market, is more popular than the flashy 300.

For the first four months of the year, Ford Motor Co. sold 61,820 Mustangs, while the 300 raked in sales of 49,089 during the same period. That's a healthy lead of more than 12,000 vehicles for the new retro-inspired Mustang, which is built in Flat Rock.

Of course, comparing the Mustang to the 300 may seem like comparing an apple to an orange, said Jesse Toprak, a senior analyst at the consumer Web site Edmunds.com. The Mustang is a sporty coupe, or convertible, that costs between $19,890 and $31,420, while the 300 is a practical large sedan that costs between $24,045 and $35,095.

But the Chrysler 300 has been widely regarded as Detroit's hottest car during the past year, and Ford's Mustang seems to have quietly snatched that honor away from its crosstown rival this year.

"This is the hottest domestic product on the market right now," Michael Devan, general manager of Maroone Ford, a large dealership in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., said of the Mustang. His store has 48 customers on a waiting list for the GT version of the Mustang, and he's been trying to buy up Mustangs on eBay.com in order to meet his demand.

"The car is just plain hot," Devan said.http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/mustang1e_20050601.htm

 

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Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

 

[m2kewl]

that's good news...b/c ford needs all the sales it can get!!

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

Quite right. Detroit needs anything to spark talk about their vehicles right now.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Cool! There aren't any incentives or rebates with the new Mustang. Are there any for the Chrysler 300?

 

[Summitdrinker]

Have to give it 6 more months or longer, to see which is really the hottest. New cars often sell hot at first then slip, PT cruiser is one example.

Plus like what was said above they?re not a direct comparable models, but there is some comparability.

plus the direct mustang has less competition, the Nissan 350Z plus? Many of the rest are FWD, do people care?

The 300 has plenty of competition, but many of them are FWD. Then again many people buying 4 door sedans of this size don't care if their cars are RWD or FWD.

 

[MasterAndCommander]

I think from the sales brochure, the 'stang is supposed to compete with the Mitsubushi Eclipse, Toyota Celica, and Hyundai Tiberon...makes sense for the V6 models.
The GT model would probably match with the 350Z and the RX8, new Eclipse GT model and maybe even the GTO (with the special pricing incentives)

What would the 300 compete against? The new Charger? Some BMW models?

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
What would the 300 compete against? The new Charger? Some BMW models?

I don't think it's really meant to compete against the charger, the Charger is more supposed to be a mustang killer that you can shove your whole family in.

 

[radioouman]

His store has 48 customers on a waiting list for the GT version of the Mustang, and he's been trying to buy up Mustangs on eBay.com in order to meet his demand.

What? He is buying cars off of Ebay for customers that are on a waiting list?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Yeah, dealers around here are demanding a $4k dealer markup on the GT and convertible models right now. Who are the screwballs paying this markup anyway? That's what I'd like to know.

 

[Summitdrinker]

the 300 goes against plenty of cars: Infinity, Lexus, maybe acuras, BMW, Ford 500, maybe the lincoln LS, plus all of GM's cars. Many of these cars cost more. I think plenty of middle age yuppies are buy 300's. look at cars they would have bought if there wasn't a 300, maybe even Audi's

Does RWD matter? maybe it does. It matters to me, I am glad to see more RWD cars being made

 

[MasterAndCommander]

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
What would the 300 compete against? The new Charger? Some BMW models?

I don't think it's really meant to compete against the charger, the Charger is more supposed to be a mustang killer that you can shove your whole family in.

Cool! With a family of 4 in the Charger, the weight penalty alone would give me a fighting chance

 

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Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander

Originally posted by: Kenazo

Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
What would the 300 compete against? The new Charger? Some BMW models?

I don't think it's really meant to compete against the charger, the Charger is more supposed to be a mustang killer that you can shove your whole family in.

Cool! With a family of 4 in the Charger, the weight penalty alone would give me a fighting chance

If it's the average US family I imagine my minivan won't have a problem, either!

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

At least they cost the same (or almost the same). However, they are a part of two completely different classes of vehicles, having in common only their main reason to transport its drivers from one place to another, and being the must have of nowadays

 

[DainBramaged]

I :heart: the new Mustang. :lips:

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

you are a bit off base here skoorbie.

the article explains why they are comparing the two.

Of course, comparing the Mustang to the 300 may seem like comparing an apple to an orange, said Jesse Toprak, a senior analyst at the consumer Web site Edmunds.com. The Mustang is a sporty coupe, or convertible, that costs between $19,890 and $31,420, while the 300 is a practical large sedan that costs between $24,045 and $35,095.

But the Chrysler 300 has been widely regarded as Detroit's hottest car during the past year, and Ford's Mustang seems to have quietly snatched that honor away from its crosstown rival this year.

 

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

you are a bit off base here skoorbie.

the article explains why they are comparing the two.

Of course, comparing the Mustang to the 300 may seem like comparing an apple to an orange, said Jesse Toprak, a senior analyst at the consumer Web site Edmunds.com. The Mustang is a sporty coupe, or convertible, that costs between $19,890 and $31,420, while the 300 is a practical large sedan that costs between $24,045 and $35,095.

But the Chrysler 300 has been widely regarded as Detroit's hottest car during the past year, and Ford's Mustang seems to have quietly snatched that honor away from its crosstown rival this year.

So basically this is a last ditch effort by this amateur journalist at defending her ridiculous article An Infiniti M45 IS a hotter car than a cobalt, but it's still going to get less sales, because it caters to a different market, just as the stang and 300 do!

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

you are a bit off base here skoorbie.

the article explains why they are comparing the two.

Of course, comparing the Mustang to the 300 may seem like comparing an apple to an orange, said Jesse Toprak, a senior analyst at the consumer Web site Edmunds.com. The Mustang is a sporty coupe, or convertible, that costs between $19,890 and $31,420, while the 300 is a practical large sedan that costs between $24,045 and $35,095.

But the Chrysler 300 has been widely regarded as Detroit's hottest car during the past year, and Ford's Mustang seems to have quietly snatched that honor away from its crosstown rival this year.

So basically this is a last ditch effort by this amateur journalist at defending her ridiculous article An Infiniti M45 IS a hotter car than a cobalt, but it's still going to get less sales, because it caters to a different market, just as the stang and 300 do!

M45 cost about 2.5 times as much as a Cobalt. the average mustang out the door is mb $3k less than the average Chrysler 300 (and yes i made that figure up but i can't be too far off).

your analogy is ridiculous.

it's more like comparing a Nissan Maxima vs the Mazda RX8

sure they are different markets but similar in price.

 

[Summitdrinker]

so what do the 300 and new mustang have in common:
1, RWD
2, they offer performance options at a modest price
3, there both models that there makers were hoping (and did) to improve there image and get showroom traffic
4, there somewhat made in america, by american companies. well not really Chrysler isn't american, but many people still think it is

 

[Summitdrinker]

do you people think I am correct by assuming the the 300 is stealing sales from the more exspensive imports?

 

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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
your analogy is ridiculous.

it's more like comparing a Nissan Maxima vs the Mazda RX8

sure they are different markets but similar in price.

OK, how's this: the new pontiac solstice will be a "hotter" car than a camry, and yet even though it costs less it's going to sell less vehicles. The soltice and camry attack different parts of the market, as do the mustang and 300. They are just incomporable. It's a silly comparison, like comparing a yacht's sales to a high-end RV. If you want an RV you don't buy a yacht, and if you're in the market for a four door sedan to cart the family around you're not going to buy a mustang. The mustang has not beaten the 300, because they aren't racing against each other.

do you people think I am correct by assuming the the 300 is stealing sales from the more exspensive imports?

I'm sure it is. The SRT version was received very well by C&D recently. I think it costs $42k and for 42k there is not a single import sedan of similar size/performance. Surely some people would buy it before something else.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
your analogy is ridiculous.

it's more like comparing a Nissan Maxima vs the Mazda RX8

sure they are different markets but similar in price.

OK, how's this: the new pontiac solstice will be a "hotter" car than a camry, and yet even though it costs less it's going to sell less vehicles. The soltice and camry attack different parts of the market, as do the mustang and 300. They are just incomporable. It's a silly comparison, like comparing a yacht's sales to a high-end RV. If you want an RV you don't buy a yacht, and if you're in the market for a four door sedan to cart the family around you're not going to buy a mustang. The mustang has not beaten the 300, because they aren't racing against each other.

do you people think I am correct by assuming the the 300 is stealing sales from the more exspensive imports?

I'm sure it is. The SRT version was received very well by C&D recently. I think it costs $42k and for 42k there is not a single import sedan of similar size/performance. Surely some people would buy it before something else.

if you are going to argue against someone you have to destroy their premise, not one aspect of their arguement.

the premise of the article is:

New mustang has quietly taken over the spot as the HOT detroit vehicle.

based on that premise, the only important statistic is sales, where they are marketed etc are not relevant.

if you want to change the premise to the Chrysler 300 is the hottest selling RWD 4 door sedan, then yes, the author is way off base, but as that wasn't the premise of the article i'd say you are a bit off base here.

again, setting up the premises are also somewhat arbitrary.

i could say the Ford 500 is being outsoldthe Chrysler 300, are the similar, somewhat, are their differences oh ya. can you compare them? probably not. but it really depends on what your premises for comparison are.

is rwd an important criteria? if so than the mustang / 300 comparison is actually a better comparison than the 500/300 comparison.

is performance the criteria? again the mustant / 300 comparison is a much better comparison than the 500 / 300 comparison.

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[Calin]

Originally posted by: Summitdrinker
do you people think I am correct by assuming the the 300 is stealing sales from the more exspensive imports?

No, it's not stealing sales from expensive imports. It's the Robin Hood of cars, recovering sales stole by expensive imports and giving them back to the americans

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Who's the dolt who compared these? It's like saying chevy's hot new cobalt is outselling the new Infiniti M45. They don't compete. The mustang is a two door sports car/coupe and the 300 is a touring sedan, which is much larger and far more tasked to its duty of transporting people, and less to the duty of performance.

EDIT: BY SARAH A. WEBSTER That explains it.

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OK I can see it's "hotter", because it's selling more and has more demand, but it's a fairly stupid argument in the first place. The chevy cobalt is a hotter vehicle than the new bugatti veyron. It's got more buzz in the industry, more people know about it, and it sells more. The point is, who cares? It just seems like an empty point to make in the first place. The Ford GT has been much lauded for what it's done at its price point, but I'd hardly call the cobalt a success over the GT just because it sells more vehicles.