New M5 Engine. Wood!!!

[andylawcc]

iz dat ah Hemi????

 

[Argo]

This is my favorite picture

 

[gigapet]

looks like metal to me.

 

[geno]

Edit, wrong thread! Sorry

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul
German + Engineering = Profit!

Very sweet!

German + Engineering = lower reliability than even Ford and Chevy. But it still carries the high sticker price for that poor engineering.

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: OverVolt
omg wow an engine.

What the hell were you expecting from a thread titled New M5 Engine?

Shut up.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul
German + Engineering = Profit!

Very sweet!

German + Engineering = lower reliability than even Ford and Chevy. But it still carries the high sticker price for that poor engineering.

Redneck alert! J/k, you're still entitled to you opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

 

[mobobuff]

Hawt.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul
German + Engineering = Profit!

Very sweet!

German + Engineering = lower reliability than even Ford and Chevy. But it still carries the high sticker price for that poor engineering.

Redneck alert! J/k, you're still entitled to you opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Consumer reports would disagree with you. This topic has been covered before on numerous other threads so in case you've been living in an ice cave for the last few years you might want to check them out.

You're probably too lazy to look it up, so I'll spoon feed it to you.

"DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and General Motors inched a little closer to Asian automakers with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100. Last year, U.S. automakers had a combined problem rate of 18 per 100.

The worst makes continued to be luxury nameplates such as Lincoln (with an average of 26 problems per 100 vehicles), Mercedes-Benz (25 problems per 100), and BMW (21 problems per 100). Also in this bottom group were Volkswagen (23 problems per 100), and Saturn and Nissan?both with 19 problems per 100 vehicles. "

Take a look for yourself

 

[Jeff7181]

I didn't see anything about displacement... did I miss that part?

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Consumer reports would disagree with you. This topic has been covered before on numerous other threads so in case you've been living in an ice cave for the last few years you might want to check them out.

You're probably too lazy to look it up, so I'll spoon feed it to you.

"DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and General Motors inched a little closer to Asian automakers with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100. Last year, U.S. automakers had a combined problem rate of 18 per 100.

The worst makes continued to be luxury nameplates such as Lincoln (with an average of 26 problems per 100 vehicles), Mercedes-Benz (25 problems per 100), and BMW (21 problems per 100). Also in this bottom group were Volkswagen (23 problems per 100), and Saturn and Nissan?both with 19 problems per 100 vehicles. "

Take a look for yourself

What's the component to problem ratio for all of that?

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul
German + Engineering = Profit!

Very sweet!

German + Engineering = lower reliability than even Ford and Chevy. But it still carries the high sticker price for that poor engineering.

Redneck alert! J/k, you're still entitled to you opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Consumer reports would disagree with you. This topic has been covered before on numerous other threads so in case you've been living in an ice cave for the last few years you might want to check them out.

You're probably too lazy to look it up, so I'll spoon feed it to you.

"DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and General Motors inched a little closer to Asian automakers with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100. Last year, U.S. automakers had a combined problem rate of 18 per 100.

The worst makes continued to be luxury nameplates such as Lincoln (with an average of 26 problems per 100 vehicles), Mercedes-Benz (25 problems per 100), and BMW (21 problems per 100). Also in this bottom group were Volkswagen (23 problems per 100), and Saturn and Nissan?both with 19 problems per 100 vehicles. "

Take a look for yourself

Maybe people who buy luxury cars are more likely to report a minor problem, wherein people buying value automobiles take that for granted?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Jfrag Teh Foul
German + Engineering = Profit!

Very sweet!

German + Engineering = lower reliability than even Ford and Chevy. But it still carries the high sticker price for that poor engineering.

Redneck alert! J/k, you're still entitled to you opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

Consumer reports would disagree with you. This topic has been covered before on numerous other threads so in case you've been living in an ice cave for the last few years you might want to check them out.

You're probably too lazy to look it up, so I'll spoon feed it to you.

"DaimlerChrysler, Ford, and General Motors inched a little closer to Asian automakers with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100. Last year, U.S. automakers had a combined problem rate of 18 per 100.

The worst makes continued to be luxury nameplates such as Lincoln (with an average of 26 problems per 100 vehicles), Mercedes-Benz (25 problems per 100), and BMW (21 problems per 100). Also in this bottom group were Volkswagen (23 problems per 100), and Saturn and Nissan?both with 19 problems per 100 vehicles. "

Take a look for yourself

Maybe people who buy luxury cars are more likely to report a minor problem, wherein people buying value automobiles take that for granted?

And old farts who drive with their foot on the gas and the brake at the same time... they should put carbon fiber brakes on cars for drivers over the age of 70 so the pads and rotors don't get glazed so easily.

 

[andylawcc]

Originally posted by: Argo
Maybe people who buy luxury cars are more likely to report a minor problem, wherein people buying value automobiles take that for granted?

actually, BMW and VW and Merc are notorious for reliabilty

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: Argo
Maybe people who buy luxury cars are more likely to report a minor problem, wherein people buying value automobiles take that for granted?

actually, BMW and VW and Merc are notorious for reliabilty

I'd gladly sacrifice some reliability in exchange for the way I'll be treated at the service center. I owned both a Camry and Mercedes C class. Getting a camry for service = pain in the rear. Getting Mercedes for service = very pleasant. Heck, mercedes doesn't even charge you for scheduled maintanance.

 

[intogamer]

:shocked:

 

[Literati]

Also, say that a BMW has a total of 10,000 components that can malfunction and the average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars is 21.

That's a lot better than say Lincolns that only have 4,500 components that can malfunction with an average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars at 18.

Just saying, ok, 10 BMWs and 10 Lincolns, problems reported are 21 to 18. Lincolns are built better. That would not be an accurate statement.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Argo

Maybe people who buy luxury cars are more likely to report a minor problem, wherein people buying value automobiles take that for granted?

No, because Lexus and Acura have always been near the top in reliability. In general, the European brands are the least reliable cars.

Take a look at the good/bad bets here:
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No European car made it into the "good bets" category, while the "bad bets category" includes cars made by Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo, and VW.

The "top picks" is dominated by Toyota and Honda, and Suburu has a good showing also:
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[Argo]

Originally posted by: Literati
Also, say that a BMW has a total of 10,000 components that can malfunction and the average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars is 21.

That's a lot better than say Lincolns that only have 4,500 components that can malfunction with an average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars at 18.

Just saying, ok, 10 BMWs and 10 Lincolns, problems reported are 21 to 18. Lincolns are built better. That would not be an accurate statement.

That's a good point. Most non-luxury auto-makers don't even have on-board computers yet.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Argo


I'd gladly sacrifice some reliability in exchange for the way I'll be treated at the service center.

That's possibly the most backwards thing I've ever heard. You'd rather be treaty nicely at a service center than not being in the service center in the first place? I'd rather have a car that doesn't break down all the time.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Literati
Also, say that a BMW has a total of 10,000 components that can malfunction and the average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars is 21.

That's a lot better than say Lincolns that only have 4,500 components that can malfunction with an average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars at 18.

Just saying, ok, 10 BMWs and 10 Lincolns, problems reported are 21 to 18. Lincolns are built better. That would not be an accurate statement.

That would be an accurate statement, because what kind of quality engineer is going to burden their design with many unnecessary parts that are prone to breaking? If an Acura or Lexus is able to lead quality surveys AND reliability surveys, then obviously their engineers know something that BMW's and Mercedes' engineers don't.

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Literati
Also, say that a BMW has a total of 10,000 components that can malfunction and the average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars is 21.

That's a lot better than say Lincolns that only have 4,500 components that can malfunction with an average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars at 18.

Just saying, ok, 10 BMWs and 10 Lincolns, problems reported are 21 to 18. Lincolns are built better. That would not be an accurate statement.

That's no excuse, it all comes down to problems per car. And yes that would mean Lincolns are built better, since *they're more reliable*

I don't get why people need to make excuses for manufacturers when their cars aren't up to snuff.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Literati
Also, say that a BMW has a total of 10,000 components that can malfunction and the average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars is 21.

That's a lot better than say Lincolns that only have 4,500 components that can malfunction with an average number of malfunctions per N amount of cars at 18.

Just saying, ok, 10 BMWs and 10 Lincolns, problems reported are 21 to 18. Lincolns are built better. That would not be an accurate statement.

That's a good point. Most non-luxury auto-makers don't even have on-board computers yet.

What kind of jibberish is that. All modern cars have an ECU running things.

 

[91TTZ]

Another article:

Auto reliability

"European sedans may have many wonderful attributes. Reliability, however, is not among them, according to the latest Consumer Reports reliability survey."

"Of the 32 car models with the highest reliability ratings, 29 were from Japan-based manufacturers. Toyota, with 16, and Honda, with 7, had the most vehicles with top reliability ratings. South Korean automaker Hyundai's Sonata earned a top spot in the ratings this year, a first for that manufacturer."

"Of the 11 sedans with the lowest predicted reliability, according to the survey, 10 were from European brands including Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar and BMW. Most Volkswagen models were rated far below average for reliability. The all-wheel drive Volkswagen Passat received the lowest reliability rating of any vehicle in the survey."

 

[Literati]

Are you serious?

Excuses? I didn't make an excuse.

Saying otherwise is like comparing lawnmowers to airplanes.

"It doesn't matter the complexity of the design or additonal features! Flying in my lawnmower is safer than you mowing my lawn with your airplane!"

hah! I said that for more self amusement than anything. I'm off to school.

BYE!