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New licensing terms for Windows Vista are a shocker.

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So basically, according to the official version of the eula, if I get 2 bad mobo in a row, my vista is as good as a very expensive and uselessly light paper weight? It is not that unlikely that can happen. It happen to me weeks ago, i bough a ecs board and it is not working properly, returned, then i order a giagtype ds3 off newegg, again it is not working properly. So that is 2 different computer already sicne it is "2" motherboard? Also, G-80 and R600 are coming soon and i think quite a few of us will get one fo those board sooner or later for the dx 10 game, which is what vista is all about! Speaking of which, would changing of a gpu count as a different system?

I also noticed stash said that replacing a mobo that is bad is acceptable, but according to the eula, it sort of count as 2 computer. I also doubt a lawyer can understand the microsoft mombo jumbo concerning eula's limit of transfer of computer. We need a lawyer who is also a computer guru to actually understand what the latest eula hold for us, the self system builder.

What we are dealing here is what is the true defination of transfer of system? Does that mean selling vista to someoneelse or it mean u are building a new build and format the old pc with vista and use the vista oin a new build.
 
So basically, according to the official version of the eula, if I get 2 bad mobo in a row, my vista is as good as a very expensive and uselessly light paper weight? It is not that unlikely that can happen. It happen to me weeks ago, i bough a ecs board and it is not working properly, returned, then i order a giagtype ds3 off newegg, again it is not working properly. So that is 2 different computer already sicne it is "2" motherboard?
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Ya sure. Something like that. However if you call and talk to Microsoft I am sure that they would be happy to overlook the multiple installs and activate it anyways since it wasn't realy due to having a new computer per say, just that you had to replace bad hardware. Remember the license only restricts what you can do with the software, not them, so they can activate it how many times they feel like.

 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
So basically, according to the official version of the eula, if I get 2 bad mobo in a row, my vista is as good as a very expensive and uselessly light paper weight? It is not that unlikely that can happen. It happen to me weeks ago, i bough a ecs board and it is not working properly, returned, then i order a giagtype ds3 off newegg, again it is not working properly. So that is 2 different computer already sicne it is "2" motherboard? Also, G-80 and R600 are coming soon and i think quite a few of us will get one fo those board sooner or later for the dx 10 game, which is what vista is all about! Speaking of which, would changing of a gpu count as a different system?

I also noticed stash said that replacing a mobo that is bad is acceptable, but according to the eula, it sort of count as 2 computer. I also doubt a lawyer can understand the microsoft mombo jumbo concerning eula's limit of transfer of computer. We need a lawyer who is also a computer guru to actually understand what the latest eula hold for us, the self system builder.

What we are dealing here is what is the true defination of transfer of system? Does that mean selling vista to someoneelse or it mean u are building a new build and format the old pc with vista and use the vista oin a new build.
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they may have done it because the mobo makers asked them as a way to stop the serial RMA'ers who RMA every other thing they buy because they either didn't install it properly or they get too low a benchmark score
 
How many mobo copany to havr their QA work harder on the board. I got a board that won't load rigth and everythign is slow and the otherboard the fan power is not working.
 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
How many mobo copany to havr their QA work harder on the board. I got a board that won't load rigth and everythign is slow and the otherboard the fan power is not working.
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No matter how good your Q&A some components will always fail prematurely. That's just the state of modern technology.
 
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: L00ker
I dunno why not just get a USB device like some kind of thumb drive to "license"? it's not like that piece of hardware would be much of a hassle to move around... just a thought
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hmm yeah I wonder if you can specify what hardware, and if so what hardware you can link it to....
interesting thought.
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No, the license is tied to the motherboard.
 
However then again you can always get a Mac.
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Comedians make jokes about rednecks and dumb people who buy TV's with built in VCR's. I have no idea why we don't also mock Mac users for buying computers with built in LCD's, which is frankly about as retarded. Buying an Apple is otherwise not about being able to choose. It's about blindly believing what you are told.

No offense, but Gimp is a piece of junk I wouldn't force on my worst enemy. If the Linux community wants to be taken seriously, then it's about time you grow up, move out of your parents basement, and start getting native ports of popular apps like Photoshop rather than run hacks to fool them into thinking they are running on another OS.

Otherwise, this thread is only about a bunch of whining and complaining that OEM versions of Vista and XP aren't as fliexible in terms of licensing as you think. If that's a problem, then either get the retail version and shut up, or ask your parents to charge you less rent.
 
Originally posted by: spikespiegal
However then again you can always get a Mac.
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Comedians make jokes about rednecks and dumb people who buy TV's with built in VCR's. I have no idea why we don't also mock Mac users for buying computers with built in LCD's, which is frankly about as retarded. Buying an Apple is otherwise not about being able to choose. It's about blindly believing what you are told.
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Ya, because having a quiet fast computer in a small form factor is for morons and dorks.

[/quote]No offense, but Gimp is a piece of junk I wouldn't force on my worst enemy. If the Linux community wants to be taken seriously, then it's about time you grow up, move out of your parents basement, and start getting native ports of popular apps like Photoshop rather than run hacks to fool them into thinking they are running on another OS.[/quote]

I don't realy think it's up to anybody but Adobe to decide weither or not to have a native port to Linux. But apparently you know something I don't.

Anyways if you take 'Gimp' out of that first sentence and replace it with 'Windows' you have just accurately desbribed the sentiments of a great number of people. If not using Windows means that I suddenly lost the ability to go out and spend 300 bucks to get photoshop and have it work with no effort... Then I am perfectly 150% happy with that arrangement. In fact I am quite willing to state that "I thank heavens that even though I don't get to go out and run adobe products on my PC at least I don't have to put up with Windows"
 
The people defending these sorts of license agreements don't seem to have a problem with phoning Microsoft to 'work it out'.
Personally, my time is valuable, I don't want to spend it on the phone with a company I just gave money to, thanks.
 
Originally posted by: smp
The people defending these sorts of license agreements don't seem to have a problem with phoning Microsoft to 'work it out'.
Personally, my time is valuable, I don't want to spend it on the phone with a company I just gave money to, thanks.
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easy solution here...don't give them money or time
 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
I think what we are concern here is the retail's restriction on vista, the leaked eukla is from retail not the oem
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It's not leaked, it's posted on microsoft.com.
 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
The only reason they posted it this early before officialmis to test public reaction to it.
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Lol, ok.

RTM is very close. If you are thinking the EULA is going to be changed because of public reaction to posting it on MSCOM, you will probably be sorely disappointed. They have been working on this language and the technology that will enforce it for several years.
 
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060905-7663.html

After a series of leaks, Microsoft has finally announced the pricing for Windows Vista. Here it is, for the US market:
Full versions

* Windows Vista Home Basic: $199
* Windows Vista Home Premium: $239
* Windows Vista Business: $299
* Windows Vista Ultimate: $399

Upgrade versions

* Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99
* Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159
* Windows Vista Business Upgrade: $199
* Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259
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$400 for a f@$#in' OS and I can't even install it on more than one upgrade rig!?!? If Vista's lifespan lasts as long as XP (well over 4 complete builds for me), OS costs for a gamer/enthusiast could well hit into the thousands. Seriously, they need to at least consider an "Enthusiast's" version for like $450 that allows unlimited system upgrades or at least allow you to re-new a retail copy for a small fee every subsequent system upgrade after the first one. I think Vista is going to be the gamer OS and will probably be adopted by the gamer community before any other consumer demographic, odd that MS should be hurting that segment of the market the most...

Edit: To the people that are saying that you can just call MS like you can now: I don't get the impression that this is going to work the way it does now where you just call in to get your license "reset", I think once you hit two consecutive installs on different hardware that's it...
 
If my memory serves me correctly, wasn't there some similar fear with Windows XP, and the fear that issues would arise from the licensing rules, and the phone in to validate Windows ?
 
Originally posted by: Archman
If my memory serves me correctly, wasn't there some similar fear with Windows XP, and the fear that issues would arise from the licensing rules, and the phone in to validate Windows ?
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The difference is that with XP you can upgrade as many times as you want, you just might have to call in. It is a tad inconvenient, but it's acceptable IMO. The call generally doesn't take too long, and it is on MS' dime. As I understand the new EULA, it's two strikes and you're out so to speak. If it's as it used to be, than I have no issues with it.
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: Archman
If my memory serves me correctly, wasn't there some similar fear with Windows XP, and the fear that issues would arise from the licensing rules, and the phone in to validate Windows ?
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The difference is that with XP you can upgrade as many times as you want, you just might have to call in. It is a tad inconvenient, but it's acceptable IMO. The call generally doesn't take too long, and it is on MS' dime. As I understand the new EULA, it's two strikes and you're out so to speak. If it's as it used to be, than I have no issues with it.
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The vast majority of people own OEM versions of XP. Either because it came with the computer or they bought it online because it costs around a hundred bucks and the retail costs 3 times that.

With OEM your not even suppose to transfer XP _once_. That is a violation for OEM EULA. But people still did it anyways and Microsoft usually activated it even with a phone call.
 
Not if angry gamer kill Bill first. Don't be surpise if it really happen. A gun is like a grand, and that is only 2 vista ultimate after tax. If vista last 5-6 years like xp, there will be a whole lot of angry people that will be more than happy to kill Bill just as an act of revenge. If peopel are willing to stab each other over a ps2, and it happy during ps2 launch, imagain what will vista do to people, gamer and business alike. It is time people will take a stand against microsoft oppression. It end at Vista, it will end now.
 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Not if angry gamer kill Bill first. Don;t be surpise if it really happen. A gun is like a grand, and that is only 2 vista ultimateif vista last 5-6 years liek xp, there will be a whole lot of angry peopel that will vbe more than happy to kill bill just as an act of revenge. If peopel are killign to stab each other over a ps2, and it happy during ps2 launch, imagain what will vista do to people, gamer and business alike. It is time people will take a stand agaibnst microsoft oppression. It end at Vista, it will end now.
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"Dude, we have to kill the man. Because, he's like, the man."

Make a choice- either buy Windows, or don't. And while you're at it, learn how to both spell and type (of course, doing that might help you hold down a job, and thereby be able to afford Vista...)
 
If you pay even slight attention to the international forum discussion, you will be find that a tons of people are extremely unhappy with microsoft decision on the scheme and will do anything to stop this, even by hacking or cracking.
 
Originally posted by: Xellos2099
If you pay even slight attention to the international forum discussion, you will be find that a tons of people are extremely unhappy with microsoft decision on the scheme and will do anything to stop this, even by hacking or cracking.
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Oh nos! You mean before they weren't going to try to hack and crack and now they are!!! Oh nooooooos!
 
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