New LG L245WP-BN 24-inch wide is P-MVA, not S-IPS

BernardP

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Read it in French :cool: or translate it with Google

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/news_id-2821.html

No DVI input, only HDMI. Adapter requirer for computer use.

So, even a S-IPS manufactures like LG-Phillips has to buy its panel from AU Optronics? Could it be that S-IPS is becoming less price-competitive?

Yet, in the TV market, S-IPS screens sold under the LG and Phillips brands remain very much in the thick of the pricing battle.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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I think we're going to see S-IPS go the way of the dinosaur. Cheap LCD panels are the way of the future unfortunately :(
 

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Translated

Seems odd to say the least. Can some Euro readers maybe comment on why there's no DVI? Is the panel meant for use only with consoles/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray? Is there a real market for that?

I have the same worries about S-IPS. Glad I picked my juicy peach before the orchard gets chopped down.
 

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Some companies (Samsung, LG.Philips) manufacture panels, but also sell the finished product (i.e. TV or monitor, which is not only the panel but includes the electronics in the back, the cover, etc.) under their own name brand. Other companies (i.e. AU Optronics) are exclusively OEM manufacturers who make panels to sell to other companies, but do not sell the end product themselves. Hence AU Optronics is the 3rd largest panel manufacturer in the world but no one's seen an AUO monitor yet (although they are affiliated with BenQ).

You can think of this in terms of business units. There's a Samsung panel-making unit, and a Samsung TV/monitor selling unit. The TV/monitor selling unit will *usually* buy from the same company's panel-making unit (for obvious reasons), but there are also reasons to buy from other manufacturers to use in your own brand-name TV/monitors, such as:
* Inadequate supply: company has a large portion of the brand-name market, but not enough factories to support their market share; thus buy panels from other manufacturers to fill the demand.
* Quality gradient: While most companies have top-of-the-line products, a large portion of the money is made on standard or entry-level models, since most people don't really need that 2 ms 10-bit color 180 degree viewing angle monitor that costs $xxxx. Thus while companies hype their top-of-the-line products, the money's made on the brand name that they put on the standard models which are from other panel manufacturers -- although quality may be somewhat less, people see the brand name and think "well they got good products so this should be good as well".
* Different technologies. Somewhat similar to the above, but having a range of different technologies will satisfy more users than concentrating on one type of technology.

Large brand-name companies like Samsung and LG.Philips will actually buy from several panel manufacturers. This actually becomes a very interesting business strategy for both parties because the buyer is supporting his competitor by buying his panels; yet the seller knows that once the buyer has adequate panel-making supply of his own, he may stop buying, and the seller will have to find his own means of selling the panels (i.e. have enough brand name or other buyers). In essence, the buyer is helping his competitor make enough money off of the panels (and thus become a bigger company), but the seller is helping his competitor gain market share, so it becomes an interesting game between the different manufacturers.

Regarding the DVI thing, Europe considers DVI to be TV-capable so they charge an extra TV import tax on anything with DVI; I don't know if HDMI or whatever other technologies count, but this is why many manufacturers will have a non-DVI version for Europe and a DVI-capable version for everywhere else. So much for free trade huh.
 

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I think we're going to see S-IPS go the way of the dinosaur. Cheap LCD panels are the way of the future unfortunately :(

I hope not.
 

cyburzaki

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Since this 24" LG has the same AUO P-MVA panel as the BenQ FP241W (M240UW01 V0), I'd have to guess the image quality will be similar. But it's interesting that some resellers in the U.S. are already listing the LG for more than $100 less than the BenQ. While the arched base of the BenQ might look better, I'd rather have the flat base of the LG, since I could put things on it, including a center speaker.

LG's U.S. website strangely lists two 24" monitors: the L245WP-BN and the L246WP. I just noticed they say the L245WP is S-IPS. Seems doubtful: check out this Chinese site puzzling over the matter in January--and they apparently queried LG about this, and the answer they got almost makes it sound as if LG is going to subject buyers to a panel lottery.

This is idle speculation, but maybe there will be no L245WP...maybe when LG changed their design spec from S-IPS to P-MVA they also changed the model number to L246WP.
 

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Originally posted by: cyburzaki
Since this 24" LG has the same AUO P-MVA panel as the BenQ FP241W (M240UW01 V0), I'd have to guess the image quality will be similar. But it's interesting that some resellers in the U.S. are already listing the LG for more than $100 less than the BenQ. While the arched base of the BenQ might look better, I'd rather have the flat base of the LG, since I could put things on it, including a center speaker.

LG's U.S. website strangely lists two 24" monitors: the L245WP-BN and the L246WP. I just noticed they say the L245WP is S-IPS. Seems doubtful: check out this Chinese site puzzling over the matter in January--and they apparently queried LG about this, and the answer they got almost makes it sound as if LG is going to subject buyers to a panel lottery.

This is idle speculation, but maybe there will be no L245WP...maybe when LG changed their design spec from S-IPS to P-MVA they also changed the model number to L246WP.
Interesting news -- where did you get the info that the L245WP uses the same panel as the BenQ? I've heard from many places that this was using some type of *VA, but I hadn't seen a specific model mentioned.
 

cyburzaki

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Originally posted by: Bootstrap
Originally posted by: cyburzaki
Since this 24" LG has the same AUO P-MVA panel as the BenQ FP241W (M240UW01 V0), I'd have to guess the image quality will be similar. But it's interesting that some resellers in the U.S. are already listing the LG for more than $100 less than the BenQ. While the arched base of the BenQ might look better, I'd rather have the flat base of the LG, since I could put things on it, including a center speaker.

LG's U.S. website strangely lists two 24" monitors: the L245WP-BN and the L246WP. I just noticed they say the L245WP is S-IPS. Seems doubtful: check out this Chinese site puzzling over the matter in January--and they apparently queried LG about this, and the answer they got almost makes it sound as if LG is going to subject buyers to a panel lottery.

This is idle speculation, but maybe there will be no L245WP...maybe when LG changed their design spec from S-IPS to P-MVA they also changed the model number to L246WP.
Interesting news -- where did you get the info that the L245WP uses the same panel as the BenQ? I've heard from many places that this was using some type of *VA, but I hadn't seen a specific model mentioned.
I found that at TFTCentral.

Flatpanels.dk also lists it as an 8 ms P-MVA. I was sure they earlier had included the AUO model number, but I may be mistaken about that, because today I don't see any such info (an unusual omission for them--and maybe indication that no one knows for sure yet, or that LG truly intends to play their suppliers' market and juggle components from one production run to the next).

On the other hand, TFTCentral and flatpanels.dk disagree on what's in the BenQ. TFTCentral says it's an AUO P-MVA M240UW01 V0--same as the LG--but flatpanels.dk says it's a Samsung S-PVA LTM240M2.
 

cyburzaki

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just got this direct from LG:
  • The major difference between L246WP and L245WP-BN is that one is a retail model and one is a reseller model. L245WP-BN is a reseller model and the power button is different. They are both have P-MVA panel.

    They are both Vista-certified (premium logo) because it meets all their criteria including key features called HDCP and fast resume (the improved time the screen goes to sleep mode then back to on mode), etc.

    These monitor will be available in March. L246WP will be available at Bestbuy and Compusa and L245WP will be available at many online resellers such as Newegg.

 

chizow

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If it can do 1:1 out of the box it looks to be a great addition to the 24" line-up, especially given the price point @$600. Pretty sure the BenQ is P-MVA though, so if this LG is using the same panel that's good news for those looking in the 24" range but aren't happy with the Dell or Gateway S-PVAs.

Not buying the explanation that the different model numbers come down to retail channels and a button though......will need more investigation once these panels hit the market.
 

Mem

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Quality P-MVA panels look good in my real experience,using one at the moment ,8 bit colour with nice viewing angles,problem is people get caught up with IPS or nothing which is a shame,P-MVA are great for good allrounder IMHO.


Side Note:Having your LCD colour calibrated makes a big difference to skins tones etc....try something like ColorVison Spyder2Express and you'll see what I mean.